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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby 8000 Saiyan » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:03 pm

huzaifa_ahmed wrote:Masako Nozawa, Goku, Gohan, Goten, Bardock - EG Daily, Mona Marshall (duh)/[b]Janyse Jaud


Janyse Jaud would sound so awkward as Goku. How did you come to the conclusion that she would sound good as him? It is because you think they need to sound like their Japanese counterparts?
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby DanielSSJ » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:38 pm

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about any voice actors or voice acting in general, but, for Goku I'd probably pick someone who has a sort of boyish softness to his voice. I could see Jeff Nimoy (aka Nicholas D. Wolfwood of from Trigun.) or one of the Ocean guys with the right direction. Just as long as I get to keep Chris Ayres as Freeza. Because he is Golden (pun intended)

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby huzaifa_ahmed » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:41 pm

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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:Masako Nozawa, Goku, Gohan, Goten, Bardock - EG Daily, Mona Marshall (duh)/[b]Janyse Jaud


Janyse Jaud would sound so awkward as Goku. How did you come to the conclusion that she would sound good as him? It is because you think they need to sound like their Japanese counterparts?


Saffron Henderson would sound very close to Nozawa as she did in the Pioneer movie dubs. I chose Janyse because she's similar, but deeper, so less of the scratchiness that Nozawa has.

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby 8000 Saiyan » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:42 pm

huzaifa_ahmed wrote:Saffron Henderson would sound very close to Nozawa as she did in the Pioneer movie dubs. I chose Janyse because she's similar, but deeper, so less of the scratchiness that Nozawa has.


If Janyse Jaud ever voiced Adult Goku in that so-called "proper" dub, I'm quite sure that most people would never become fans of the series. A woman voicing Goku may work in Japanese, but it would never work in English.
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby huzaifa_ahmed » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:38 pm

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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:Saffron Henderson would sound very close to Nozawa as she did in the Pioneer movie dubs. I chose Janyse because she's similar, but deeper, so less of the scratchiness that Nozawa has.


If Janyse Jaud ever voiced Adult Goku in that so-called "proper" dub, I'm quite sure that most people would never become fans of the series. A woman voicing Goku may work in Japanese, but it would never work in English.


I agree with the first statement, & while I don't necessarily agree with the second, it's a cultural thing & deserves its own topic. I personally had an issue with finding a childish-sounding guy in the Vancouver talent pool, as I don't really watch cartoons or play games, I just like listening to VA's & voice clips. There are about five guys maybe, that could do Goku in that talent pool: Richard Cox, Matt Hill, Samuel Vincent, Brad Swaile, & I think that's really it.

In terms of LA, I was thinking Greg Cipes, just watch interviews of him & listen to his voice, & you'll see why. For a meager budget, I agree with Nitro & Phantom that Joshua Seth would be really good.

What's funny is that there are endless abysses of threads dedicated to either bashing or nostalgifying the old dub (or appreciating the recent improvements)...yet there are very, very few threads on this site which promote more integration of the show into more audiences & worldwide success. It's like no one cares about this show's dub aside from as a "historical artifact".

I appreciate several of the Japanese actors' performances...but it's not like I wish for this show to stay "foreign w/third-party licensing". I mean that's what ends up happening anyway, but it's the spirit of the forum that occasionally annoys me (although it's a damn sight better than YT comments, that's for sure).

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby Metalwario64 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:57 pm

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Dbzfan94 wrote:I don't agree with an English Goku being voiced by a girl. It just wouldn't work as well

I agree. Nozawa is a really special case, it'd be hard for another female Japanese VA to replicate her let alone English.

I definitely agree with this. She has a very unique voice, and as Goku, it's not at all what one would consider "effeminate". Just casting any female as (adult) Goku is missing the point of what makes Nozawa so good in the role.
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby 8000 Saiyan » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:03 pm

huzaifa_ahmed wrote:I agree with the first statement, & while I don't necessarily agree with the second, it's a cultural thing & deserves its own topic. I personally had an issue with finding a childish-sounding guy in the Vancouver talent pool, as I don't really watch cartoons or play games, I just like listening to VA's & voice clips. There are about five guys maybe, that could do Goku in that talent pool: Richard Cox, Matt Hill, Samuel Vincent, Brad Swaile, & I think that's really it.

In terms of LA, I was thinking Greg Cipes, just watch interviews of him & listen to his voice, & you'll see why. For a meager budget, I agree with Nitro & Phantom that Joshua Seth would be really good.

What's funny is that there are endless abysses of threads dedicated to either bashing or nostalgifying the old dub (or appreciating the recent improvements)...yet there are very, very few threads on this site which promote more integration of the show into more audiences & worldwide success. It's like no one cares about this show's dub aside from as a "historical artifact".

I appreciate several of the Japanese actors' performances...but it's not like I wish for this show to stay "foreign w/third-party licensing". I mean that's what ends up happening anyway, but it's the spirit of the forum that occasionally annoys me (although it's a damn sight better than YT comments, that's for sure).


I think that you could appreciate voice acting more if you actually watched cartoons and more and played video games.

However, I don't understand some of your choices for some characters. I know that you think that the dub voice actors need to sound like the Japanese voices. But I don't understand how you think Klassen sounds like Furuya's Yamcha or how Hamill or Perlman give you vibes of Wakamoto's Cell. Hamill would be much a better choice for Frieza, while Corey Burton is better suited for Cell.
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby huzaifa_ahmed » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:50 pm

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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:I agree with the first statement, & while I don't necessarily agree with the second, it's a cultural thing & deserves its own topic. I personally had an issue with finding a childish-sounding guy in the Vancouver talent pool, as I don't really watch cartoons or play games, I just like listening to VA's & voice clips. There are about five guys maybe, that could do Goku in that talent pool: Richard Cox, Matt Hill, Samuel Vincent, Brad Swaile, & I think that's really it.

In terms of LA, I was thinking Greg Cipes, just watch interviews of him & listen to his voice, & you'll see why. For a meager budget, I agree with Nitro & Phantom that Joshua Seth would be really good.

What's funny is that there are endless abysses of threads dedicated to either bashing or nostalgifying the old dub (or appreciating the recent improvements)...yet there are very, very few threads on this site which promote more integration of the show into more audiences & worldwide success. It's like no one cares about this show's dub aside from as a "historical artifact".

I appreciate several of the Japanese actors' performances...but it's not like I wish for this show to stay "foreign w/third-party licensing". I mean that's what ends up happening anyway, but it's the spirit of the forum that occasionally annoys me (although it's a damn sight better than YT comments, that's for sure).


I think that you could appreciate voice acting more if you actually watched cartoons and more and played video games.

However, I don't understand some of your choices for some characters. I know that you think that the dub voice actors need to sound like the Japanese voices. But I don't understand how you think Klassen sounds like Furuya's Yamcha or how Hamill or Perlman give you vibes of Wakamoto's Cell. Hamill would be much a better choice for Frieza, while Corey Burton is better suited for Cell.


Old post I know, but i think for Klassen as Yamcha I may have just looked up Klassen's dubbed actors & Furuya mayve been there. He's wrong for Yamcha tho. You're right about Hamill as Freeza, altho I'd prefer him as Piccolo Daimao, in part because Takeshi Aono dubbed the Joker (& astoundingly well!), & it just seems like a solid casting considering Fire Lord Ozai. As for Ron Perlman, I often feel he reminds me much of an English Wakamoto with pretty similar characters & voice. I also think maybe Keith David would be an option.

Ryūzaburo Otomo (who dubbed Clancy in Shawshank), Kenji Utsumi & especially Daisuke Gori's roles could be shared between KMR, Alan Reed, & Clancy Brown (& later John DiMaggio & Fred Tatasciore). Clancy Brown as Dabra & KMR or maybe Peter Cullen as Shenlong would be solid, tho I'm not sure who would dub all the other deep-voiced characters. If this an early-mid-90's dub.

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:
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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:I agree with the first statement, & while I don't necessarily agree with the second, it's a cultural thing & deserves its own topic. I personally had an issue with finding a childish-sounding guy in the Vancouver talent pool, as I don't really watch cartoons or play games, I just like listening to VA's & voice clips. There are about five guys maybe, that could do Goku in that talent pool: Richard Cox, Matt Hill, Samuel Vincent, Brad Swaile, & I think that's really it.

In terms of LA, I was thinking Greg Cipes, just watch interviews of him & listen to his voice, & you'll see why. For a meager budget, I agree with Nitro & Phantom that Joshua Seth would be really good.

What's funny is that there are endless abysses of threads dedicated to either bashing or nostalgifying the old dub (or appreciating the recent improvements)...yet there are very, very few threads on this site which promote more integration of the show into more audiences & worldwide success. It's like no one cares about this show's dub aside from as a "historical artifact".

I appreciate several of the Japanese actors' performances...but it's not like I wish for this show to stay "foreign w/third-party licensing". I mean that's what ends up happening anyway, but it's the spirit of the forum that occasionally annoys me (although it's a damn sight better than YT comments, that's for sure).


I think that you could appreciate voice acting more if you actually watched cartoons and more and played video games.

However, I don't understand some of your choices for some characters. I know that you think that the dub voice actors need to sound like the Japanese voices. But I don't understand how you think Klassen sounds like Furuya's Yamcha or how Hamill or Perlman give you vibes of Wakamoto's Cell. Hamill would be much a better choice for Frieza, while Corey Burton is better suited for Cell.


Old post I know, but i think for Klassen as Yamcha I may have just looked up Klassen's dubbed actors & Furuya mayve been there. He's wrong for Yamcha tho. You're right about Hamill as Freeza, altho I'd prefer him as Piccolo Daimao, in part because Takeshi Aono dubbed the Joker (& astoundingly well!), & it just seems like a solid casting considering Fire Lord Ozai. As for Ron Perlman, I often feel he reminds me much of an English Wakamoto with pretty similar characters & voice. I also think maybe Keith David would be an option.

Ryūzaburo Otomo (who dubbed Clancy in Shawshank), Kenji Utsumi & especially Daisuke Gori's roles could be shared between KMR, Alan Reed, & Clancy Brown (& later John DiMaggio & Fred Tatasciore). Clancy Brown as Dabra & KMR or maybe Peter Cullen as Shenlong would be solid, tho I'm not sure who would dub all the other deep-voiced characters. If this an early-mid-90's dub.


Arthur Burghardt would be a great choice for Dabura in my opinion.
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby TheGreatness25 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:01 pm

Here's a fun little list of possible voices:

Vegeta - David Hayter
He's got that gruff, rough, attitudinal quality.

Any female character - Tara Strong
I love Tara Strong's female voices. Her kid voices are a little too cartoony, but she has a very sultry voice when she's doing females.

Goku - Rino Romano
I think he's got a naturally-sounding light and fluffy voice that I can see with Goku.


Whatever, this is all subjective. These could all be terrible choices for Dragon Ball in particular. I've listened to a U.S. version that sounds so forced and cartoony for so long, that it's hard assigning natural-sounding voice actors to the roles.

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby 8000 Saiyan » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:08 pm

I think Kevin Conroy would be great as Piccolo.
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby TheGreatness25 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:21 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:What about Kevin Conroy as Piccolo? I think he'd be great.


As epic as I think Kevin Conroy is, it's so hard to picture him as someone besides Batman. I mean each time I'd hear Piccolo, I'd just want to see Batman kicking some ass lol

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

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TheGreatness25 wrote:Goku - Rino Romano
I think he's got a naturally-sounding light and fluffy voice that I can see with Goku.


I think he could work well as Goku, since he had a lot of energy as Spider-Man.
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:49 pm

I still sincerely believe "proper" is a very derogatory term to use for this discussion. For me the Funimation cast work so hard they have been forgiven for their early days. Even pretending the dub was done to a high standard from the beginning I think it wouldn't dissimilar from the Kai, Battle of Gods, Resurrection F and Pioneer trilogy movie dubs, as all of them represent the ideal standard all Dragon Ball dubs should follow.

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

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TheGreatness25 wrote:Here's a fun little list of possible voices:

Vegeta - David Hayter
He's got that gruff, rough, attitudinal quality.

Any female character - Tara Strong
I love Tara Strong's female voices. Her kid voices are a little too cartoony, but she has a very sultry voice when she's doing females.

Goku - Rino Romano
I think he's got a naturally-sounding light and fluffy voice that I can see with Goku.


Whatever, this is all subjective. These could all be terrible choices for Dragon Ball in particular. I've listened to a U.S. version that sounds so forced and cartoony for so long, that it's hard assigning natural-sounding voice actors to the roles.


I find that Rino Romano as Yamcha would be much better (especially considering Toru Furuya voiced Tuxedo Mask, which Rino dubbed way back), but Hayter as Vegeta is an incredibly solid (totally unintended pun) idea, he's got a good voice close to Horikawa's "angry short guy" voice. Tara as maybe Videl would be good.

It is subjective, although I wish this idea were more discussed. I mean we complain about the dub so much, but rarely seem to offer proper alternatives. This, coming from the "#1 educated, Japanese-oriented Dragon Ball" resource. Yare yare daze...

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby huzaifa_ahmed » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:08 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Here's a fun little list of possible voices:

Vegeta - David Hayter
He's got that gruff, rough, attitudinal quality.

Any female character - Tara Strong
I love Tara Strong's female voices. Her kid voices are a little too cartoony, but she has a very sultry voice when she's doing females.

Goku - Rino Romano
I think he's got a naturally-sounding light and fluffy voice that I can see with Goku.


Whatever, this is all subjective. These could all be terrible choices for Dragon Ball in particular. I've listened to a U.S. version that sounds so forced and cartoony for so long, that it's hard assigning natural-sounding voice actors to the roles.


I find that Rino Romano as Yamcha would be much better (especially considering Toru Furuya voiced Tuxedo Mask, which Rino dubbed way back), but Hayter as Vegeta is an incredibly solid (totally unintended pun) idea, he's got a good voice close to Horikawa's "angry short guy" voice. Tara as maybe Videl would be good.

It is subjective, although I wish this sort of thing were more discussed. I mean we complain about the dub so much, but rarely seem to offer proper, positive alternatives (besides, y'know, "pssh, you're a grown-up watching a kids' cartoon. Watch it the way it's s'posed to be"). (& yeah, we praise the newer dubs, but only because the old dub - which was successful for being an alteration - was so successful, & some fans will *only* watch the DBZ dub - & only DBZ's dub. If it'd been a typical release, the dub wouldnt be so nostalgia'd for.) This, coming from the "#1 educated, Japanese-oriented Dragon Ball" resource. Yare yare daze...

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby 8000 Saiyan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:31 am

huzaifa_ahmed wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:Here's a fun little list of possible voices:

Vegeta - David Hayter
He's got that gruff, rough, attitudinal quality.

Any female character - Tara Strong
I love Tara Strong's female voices. Her kid voices are a little too cartoony, but she has a very sultry voice when she's doing females.

Goku - Rino Romano
I think he's got a naturally-sounding light and fluffy voice that I can see with Goku.


Whatever, this is all subjective. These could all be terrible choices for Dragon Ball in particular. I've listened to a U.S. version that sounds so forced and cartoony for so long, that it's hard assigning natural-sounding voice actors to the roles.


I find that Rino Romano as Yamcha would be much better (especially considering Toru Furuya voiced Tuxedo Mask, which Rino dubbed way back), but Hayter as Vegeta is an incredibly solid (totally unintended pun) idea, he's got a good voice close to Horikawa's "angry short guy" voice. Tara as maybe Videl would be good.

It is subjective, although I wish this sort of thing were more discussed. I mean we complain about the dub so much, but rarely seem to offer proper, positive alternatives (besides, y'know, "pssh, you're a grown-up watching a kids' cartoon. Watch it the way it's s'posed to be"). (& yeah, we praise the newer dubs, but only because the old dub - which was successful for being an alteration - was so successful, & some fans will *only* watch the DBZ dub - & only DBZ's dub. If it'd been a typical release, the dub wouldnt be so nostalgia'd for.) This, coming from the "#1 educated, Japanese-oriented Dragon Ball" resource. Yare yare daze...


Don't be ridiculous, the newer dubs aren't praised because the old dub was successful. They're praised for their quality. And what are you trying to say with typical release? Are you saying that if the dub had never aired on TV, fans wouldn't have nostalgia for it?
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby huzaifa_ahmed » Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:07 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:
huzaifa_ahmed wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:Here's a fun little list of possible voices:

Vegeta - David Hayter
He's got that gruff, rough, attitudinal quality.

Any female character - Tara Strong
I love Tara Strong's female voices. Her kid voices are a little too cartoony, but she has a very sultry voice when she's doing females.

Goku - Rino Romano
I think he's got a naturally-sounding light and fluffy voice that I can see with Goku.


Whatever, this is all subjective. These could all be terrible choices for Dragon Ball in particular. I've listened to a U.S. version that sounds so forced and cartoony for so long, that it's hard assigning natural-sounding voice actors to the roles.


I find that Rino Romano as Yamcha would be much better (especially considering Toru Furuya voiced Tuxedo Mask, which Rino dubbed way back), but Hayter as Vegeta is an incredibly solid (totally unintended pun) idea, he's got a good voice close to Horikawa's "angry short guy" voice. Tara as maybe Videl would be good.

It is subjective, although I wish this sort of thing were more discussed. I mean we complain about the dub so much, but rarely seem to offer proper, positive alternatives (besides, y'know, "pssh, you're a grown-up watching a kids' cartoon. Watch it the way it's s'posed to be"). (& yeah, we praise the newer dubs, but only because the old dub - which was successful for being an alteration - was so successful, & some fans will *only* watch the DBZ dub - & only DBZ's dub. If it'd been a typical release, the dub wouldnt be so nostalgia'd for.) This, coming from the "#1 educated, Japanese-oriented Dragon Ball" resource. Yare yare daze...


Don't be ridiculous, the newer dubs aren't praised because the old dub was successful. They're praised for their quality. And what are you trying to say with typical release? Are you saying that if the dub had never aired on TV, fans wouldn't have nostalgia for it?


This is a discussion reserved for another thread. Namely, this one: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35985

The dub is often praised by fans who don't know much about or follow any dubs at all. It's definitely seen as an "exception" dub for some people, because they grew up on the old DBZ dub, & a lot of people on this site, appreciate the Kai+ dubs because they allow for those DBZ-dub-only fans to transition to a more accurate version of the show. Keeping the old main cast (& possibly, several old dub terms) allows that, & Kanzenshuu is grateful for that. I'd love to speak further on the topic of their budget compared to the usual "good dubs", but that's a different issue & I want to keep this thread on-topic.

I left something more in-depth (& definitely angrier, lol) on the proper thread.

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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

Postby 8000 Saiyan » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:40 pm

huzaifa_ahmed wrote:
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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:I agree with the first statement, & while I don't necessarily agree with the second, it's a cultural thing & deserves its own topic. I personally had an issue with finding a childish-sounding guy in the Vancouver talent pool, as I don't really watch cartoons or play games, I just like listening to VA's & voice clips. There are about five guys maybe, that could do Goku in that talent pool: Richard Cox, Matt Hill, Samuel Vincent, Brad Swaile, & I think that's really it.

In terms of LA, I was thinking Greg Cipes, just watch interviews of him & listen to his voice, & you'll see why. For a meager budget, I agree with Nitro & Phantom that Joshua Seth would be really good.

What's funny is that there are endless abysses of threads dedicated to either bashing or nostalgifying the old dub (or appreciating the recent improvements)...yet there are very, very few threads on this site which promote more integration of the show into more audiences & worldwide success. It's like no one cares about this show's dub aside from as a "historical artifact".

I appreciate several of the Japanese actors' performances...but it's not like I wish for this show to stay "foreign w/third-party licensing". I mean that's what ends up happening anyway, but it's the spirit of the forum that occasionally annoys me (although it's a damn sight better than YT comments, that's for sure).


I think that you could appreciate voice acting more if you actually watched cartoons and more and played video games.

However, I don't understand some of your choices for some characters. I know that you think that the dub voice actors need to sound like the Japanese voices. But I don't understand how you think Klassen sounds like Furuya's Yamcha or how Hamill or Perlman give you vibes of Wakamoto's Cell. Hamill would be much a better choice for Frieza, while Corey Burton is better suited for Cell.


Old post I know, but i think for Klassen as Yamcha I may have just looked up Klassen's dubbed actors & Furuya mayve been there. He's wrong for Yamcha tho. You're right about Hamill as Freeza, altho I'd prefer him as Piccolo Daimao, in part because Takeshi Aono dubbed the Joker (& astoundingly well!), & it just seems like a solid casting considering Fire Lord Ozai. [b]As for Ron Perlman, I often feel he reminds me much of an English Wakamoto with pretty similar characters & voice. I also think maybe Keith David would be an option.
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Ryūzaburo Otomo (who dubbed Clancy in Shawshank), Kenji Utsumi & especially Daisuke Gori's roles could be shared between KMR, Alan Reed, & Clancy Brown (& later John DiMaggio & Fred Tatasciore). Clancy Brown as Dabra & KMR or maybe Peter Cullen as Shenlong would be solid, tho I'm not sure who would dub all the other deep-voiced characters. If this an early-mid-90's dub.

Alan Reed died in the 1970's.

I dunno, I see Perlman fitting Bojack more than Cell. I can't really see Wakamoto fitting some of Perlman and David's roles that well, such as Deathstroke, Spawn or Goliath.
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Re: What'd a proper English cast of Dragon Ball sound like?

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