Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
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Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
Not sure if its his delivery or the lines they gave him to say but his voice does not fit as the narrator with the Japanese BGM. They should have used the guy from Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z Kai
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
Possibly because the Nicktoons kids might not've grown up with the old dub, but with Super (& BoG) they arent taking any chances. The whole point of the dub is to maximize profits...which it clearly has done several times over - they're keeping scripts intact with the Japanese version which is popularized over the Internet, while at the same time presenting parts of the old show that a mass audience grew up with. It's not a particularly "good dub" in my eyes, but it's respectful enough & well, it makes money for Toei, & doesnt erase the availability of the JP version (of Super specificly - God knows how many issues we have with DB/Z releases).
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
They are two different people. Dragon Ball's narrator was Brice Armstrong, and Kai's is Doc Morgan.MasenkoHA wrote:They should have used the guy from Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z Kai
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
And Brice retired years ago from voice acting.
Kyle is kinda funny as the Smodcast Network promo guy, but he doesn't have that sort of voice for a narrator.
Kyle is kinda funny as the Smodcast Network promo guy, but he doesn't have that sort of voice for a narrator.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
I do feel it's mainly the style & the fact that we're used to him as "the guy who ruined the DBZ dub narration" rather than a professional, talented, varied VA. Although with that said, I dont think he himself is actually too bad for a narrator. Although the DB & Kai narrators certainly did have that older fellow's quality about them.ABED wrote:And Brice retired years ago from voice acting.
Kyle is kinda funny as the Smodcast Network promo guy, but he doesn't have that sort of voice for a narrator.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
It's not a result of being used to him as that guy, I just don't think he has that sort of voice for narration. The best way I can put it is he tries to sound like a narrator instead of just being a narrator.huzaifa_ahmed wrote:I do feel it's mainly the style & the fact that we're used to him as "the guy who ruined the DBZ dub narration" rather than a professional, talented, varied VA. Although with that said, I dont think he himself is actually too bad for a narrator. Although the DB & Kai narrators certainly did have that older fellow's quality about them.ABED wrote:And Brice retired years ago from voice acting.
Kyle is kinda funny as the Smodcast Network promo guy, but he doesn't have that sort of voice for a narrator.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
Its not even that. His pumped sports announcer voice sounds fine with the Johnson or Faulconer score but put it with the more light hearted and relaxed Japanese score and its hilariously out of placeABED wrote:It's not a result of being used to him as that guy, I just don't think he has that sort of voice for narration. The best way I can put it is he tries to sound like a narrator instead of just being a narrator.huzaifa_ahmed wrote:I do feel it's mainly the style & the fact that we're used to him as "the guy who ruined the DBZ dub narration" rather than a professional, talented, varied VA. Although with that said, I dont think he himself is actually too bad for a narrator. Although the DB & Kai narrators certainly did have that older fellow's quality about them.ABED wrote:And Brice retired years ago from voice acting.
Kyle is kinda funny as the Smodcast Network promo guy, but he doesn't have that sort of voice for a narrator.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
TBH, I can't imagine any other kind of narration. Sure, the dub's narrator's voice is unfitting, but honestly, I can't imagine an alternative.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
I can see how people might think that in terms of DBZ, because he was brought in to match the narration style of Dale Kelly, who was cast during a time when FUNimation didn't have as clear an understanding of what kind of show DBZ was. However, I've heard him in other stuff, and he can actually do some legitimately awesome, badass sounding narration. Heck, even in BoG (which he provided the opening narration for), I think he sounded way better.ABED wrote:...but he doesn't have that sort of voice for a narrator.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
He's always been unfitting to me. He and Dale Kelly's approach to narration can basically be summed up as monster truck announcers. I get what they were going for but in my opinion, that direction cheapened the overall feel of the show. The lines they were given didn't help either but I just can't see those voices working even with a decent script. Steve Olson was another misfire but I personally didn't find him as grating as Dale who often just sounded a bit too guttural and unnatural sounding with that obvious put-on voice, it often gave the show a more sinister tone. It works decently as a character like Ginyu but not a for the narrator. Herbert was essentially just Dale Kelly light and I've always found it very bland. Aside from Chris Ayres, Doc Morgan was one of the best things about the Kai recasts.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
He was just as unfitting as Dale Kelly was.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
Which one was Dale Kelly?
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
Dale Kelly was the announcer starting in season 3 and he played Ginyu.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
Huh I honestly remember Kyle Hebert doing it from the time Funimation took over ADR
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
It's been a while since I've watched the DBZ dub with the Japanese score, but I didn't really feel Hebert stuck out too bad. But I agree he doesn't fit at well as Armstrong or Morgan. If you want to hear some really hilariously out of place narration though, listen to Andy Chandler's GT narrator with the Japanese score.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
I can think of two possible reasons why you might think this. Firstly, Kyle Hebert was brought in to match Dale Kelly (I don't recall when, but I want to say around the Buu arc), so it's possible that their narration styles blurred together after a while. Or, alternatively, it could be because when FUNimation got around to releasing the orange brick DVD sets in the mid-to-late 2000's, they had Hebert come in and re-voice all of Kelly's narration. They also--mercifully--re-wrote a lot of the narration scripts and toned down the corniness (not enough, in my opinion, but I'm all for acknowledging any effort, no matter how small, towards making a better product). The dub audio track used for the orange bricks has been re-used for every DBZ home video release since, so you won't ever see a future home video release featuring Dale Kelly's original narration. I'll see if I can dig up a comparison video featuring a scene that Hebert re-dubbed.MasenkoHA wrote:Huh I honestly remember Kyle Hebert doing it from the time Funimation took over ADR
EDIT: This one features narration that wasn't re-written, but it's a start.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."
Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
Here's a Dale Kelly vs. Kyle Hebert narration comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk-1Za-OmQU
(EDIT: TheBlackPaladin beat me to it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk-1Za-OmQU
(EDIT: TheBlackPaladin beat me to it)
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
This very much.SaiyamanMS wrote:It's been a while since I've watched the DBZ dub with the Japanese score, but I didn't really feel Hebert stuck out too bad. But I agree he doesn't fit at well as Armstrong or Morgan. If you want to hear some really hilariously out of place narration though, listen to Andy Chandler's GT narrator with the Japanese score.
GT's dub in general doesn't gel with the original score very well, but while most of it is tolerable, the narration is really what ruins it for me.
Honestly, because of how poorly the GT dub fits with the original score, Blue Water's dub is probably a better English version of the show.
As for Z, I don't think it's that bad. It's a little odd, but it mostly works. Dale Kelley's would probably be a worse fit.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
I don't think the dub is bad with the original GT score, no moreso than DBZ. It's just the narration. The overly serious tone of the narration doesn't fit with the original score.
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Re: Kyle Hebert's narration is so out place with the Japanese score
I know the wrestling/monster truck rally comparison is a general adage by this point, but I'm only just now realizing how much Kelly's narration sounds like a Randy Savage imitation.TheBlackPaladin wrote:EDIT: This one features narration that wasn't re-written, but it's a start.