Does Toriyama listen to his fans?

[keyz05]

Now, I'm curious... After a recent amount of Episodes in Super, I was wondering... Does Toriyama listen to his fans after the recent episodes of Super came out? I mean, they feel so improved to me, in my opinion. Does anyone agree to this or what?

[Kamiccolo9]

No, and he shouldn't. Fans are stupid and don't know what they want.

[precita]

And on the small possibility he did, it would only be Japanese speaking fans of course.

Toriyama wouldn't care what a bunch of english speaking foreigners who grew up with the west thing about Dragonball.

[floofychan333]

Honestly, I'm not sure. Lots of fans here have made speculations about DB that actually made it into the story, for example Future Trunks' return and the female SSJ. However, I highly doubt he listens to a bunch of English-speaking fans that he doesn't really care about.

[Chuquita]

I don't think Toriyama listens, but the Dragon Ball Room sure does. I think they're the ones behind the recent fan stuff.

[sintzu]

He said that he added more action to RF cause fans thought BOG didn't have enough so we know that he does now but during the manga's run however, he said multiple times that he didn't and that's why I think it turned out as good as it did.

The franchise is a lot more merchandise oriented than it was before so listening to fans is probably a priority now.

I don't think Toriyama listens, but the Dragon Ball Room sure does. I think they're the ones behind the recent fan stuff.

They did say they were paying attention to what the international fans want (or maybe fans in general).

I highly doubt he listens to a bunch of English-speaking fans that he doesn't really care about.

Maybe he isn't but the DB room that works with him does.

Fans are stupid and don't know what they want.

I think the problem with fans is that they want more of the same. Bring characters back and introduce new Ssj forms are usually on top of the list of fan demands.

[MasenkoHA]

Didn't Toriyama originally intend on Gohan defeating Buu before Japanese fans demanded it be Goku?

Or was that just a dumb rumor/half truth?

[Kamiccolo9]

Or was that just a dumb rumor/people talking out their ass?

Fixed and answered.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Honestly, I'm not sure. Lots of fans here have made speculations about DB that actually made it into the story, for example Future Trunks' return and the female SSJ. However, I highly doubt he listens to a bunch of English-speaking fans that he doesn't really care about.

I think the Dragonball Room is most likely responsible for that. It almost seems like they might be the ones who take the most popular things the fanbase asks for and considers a concept through what their staff of Toriyama might say to it. It just seems that way because of the Female Broly troll character and the heavier tones of this "evil Goku" theme that we're getting a lot in Super and the more recent demand for Gohan relevance we're seeing. If this is the case, I'm nervous, because the vocal majority of the western fandom seriously has the worst ideas judging by its fanfic.

[Chuquita]

Honestly, I'm not sure. Lots of fans here have made speculations about DB that actually made it into the story, for example Future Trunks' return and the female SSJ. However, I highly doubt he listens to a bunch of English-speaking fans that he doesn't really care about.

I think the Dragonball Room is most likely responsible for that. It almost seems like they might be the ones who take the most popular things the fanbase asks for and considers a concept through what their staff of Toriyama might say to it. It just seems that way because of the Female Broly troll character and the heavier tones of this "evil Goku" theme that we're getting a lot in Super and the more recent demand for Gohan relevance we're seeing. If this is the case, I'm nervous, because the vocal majority of the western fandom seriously has the worst ideas judging by its fanfic.

Same here. I've lost a lot of hope in Super as of late.

I'm willing to wait until the end of this arc to see if it redeems itself, but right now I'm feeling let down.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Honestly, I'm not sure. Lots of fans here have made speculations about DB that actually made it into the story, for example Future Trunks' return and the female SSJ. However, I highly doubt he listens to a bunch of English-speaking fans that he doesn't really care about.

I think the Dragonball Room is most likely responsible for that. It almost seems like they might be the ones who take the most popular things the fanbase asks for and considers a concept through what their staff of Toriyama might say to it. It just seems that way because of the Female Broly troll character and the heavier tones of this "evil Goku" theme that we're getting a lot in Super and the more recent demand for Gohan relevance we're seeing. If this is the case, I'm nervous, because the vocal majority of the western fandom seriously has the worst ideas judging by its fanfic.

Same here. Ignoring both the core fans and the new younger fans in favor of the western casual nostalgia base makes me feel like that one group is the only one that matters to them.

I'm willing to wait until the end of this arc to see if it redeems itself, but right now I'm feeling let down.

Exactly. It's why I'm starting to respect GT a bit more because it still had some sense of innovation to it where it was made as a spiritual continuation of the series as a story, as opposed to the sake of commercializing nostalgia that Super seems to thrive on. Its why these arcs don't feel as organic as they could be alternatively. They feel more like they're just what the vocal casual majority would want for the sake of it being "cool".

- An evil Goku & an evil Kaioshin (revised AF plotline.)
- SSB Vegito returned for hype. Fans wanted Vegito.
- Trunks gets all these new moves, and all this elevated treatment and gets the most significant kill. For Trunks fans.
- An arc about all 12 Universes, people wanted from BoG.
- A "Universal War" arc: People wanted in speculation. Now we have the Battle Royal.
- The main Goku being evil (somewhat, as the multiverse hates him and sees him as evil.)

It could be a conspiracy to me, but it isn't unlikely. I honestly think if they're going to pander to the casual west's nostalgia and the market of who would by anything under the brand regardless, it should make sense that they'd want to hear from people who could improve the story with a fine-tooth-comb but then again, my personal ideas won't sell the most toys, just make a better anime. (all the while people will say Super is the greatest thing ever anyway as is).

[Kid Buu]

He does read what the fans say. When fans told him not to kill Vegeta, he responded by killing Vegeta off.

[Totamo]

Toriyama once said fans sent him letter asking him not to kill vegeta on namek and he did the opposite of that.


But that was then, toriyama is older and much more mellowed out, so I think he does listen to fans which is great because fans want stupid shit, let them have their stupid shit.

[DBSQA]

I don't think he does, his only computer he uses it for work from what I heard he does not use the internet. So I guess he does not listen to fans.

[keyz05]

Well... I was just curious as to why he decides to improve his show, all of a sudden. But I think he doesn't listen to his fans, in my opinion.

[sintzu]

I'm willing to wait until the end of this arc to see if it redeems itself, but right now I'm feeling let down.

The only way to fairly judge Super is to wait till it's over cause as of now it can get really good, really bad or stay the same so it's hard to give a final judgment on something that's still ongoing.

It could be a conspiracy to me, but it isn't unlikely.

Toriyama and the DB room said they were listening to fans and trying to give them what they wanted so it's not a conspiracy.

I'm not against listening to fans to a degree but BOG was the last thing that felt completely original, everything afterwards had some form of major fan service. bringing back Freeza, alternate universe saiyans and Freeza, an evil Goku, bringing Trunks back and now a Broly lookalike.

Although the stories have been good so far, this kind of constant fan pandering really clashes with BOG and the original manga in the sense that those were a one man's work while these have a lot of hands on it, both officially (Toriyama, Toei's writers, Toyotaruo, the DB room, probably Bandai,etc.) and unofficially (fans).

Based on that I think it's safe to say we'll see Bardock and Gogeta sooner or later. I guess one way to predict future events is to go through popular demand and see what fans want now.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Toriyama and the DB room said they were listening to fans and trying to give them what they wanted so it's not a conspiracy.

Well I guess thats the confirmation then, but where are they going for input? Its eerie that the fanbase for example decreed that Goku was a terrible father, and now he confirms that he is with him just laughing off how he neglected Goten.

I'm not against listening to fans to a degree

The right ones, yes. I mean If they came for input before Super started, they could have gotten feedback to what they needed to improve on from Z or GT, though I really wouldn't know who is trustworthy enough with that sort of creative control.

BOG was the last thing that felt completely original, everything afterwards had some form of major fan service. bringing back Freeza, alternate universe saiyans and Freeza, an evil Goku, bringing Trunks back and now a Broly lookalike.

Yeah, you can definitely feel the difference in the series quality from its peak in BoG & its downfall from ROF where the huge dip is noticeable, then the gimmicky plots in Super and the lack of an actual story in them. I also might be the only one who really thinks the designs for the new characters have really stepped down from what we had been used to. I mean Toyotaro really can't design characters to save his life. Ivan still irks me.

Although the stories have been good so far, this kind of constant fan pandering really clashes with BOG and the original manga in the sense that those were a one man's work while these have a lot of hands on it, both officially (Toriyama, Toei's writers, Toyotaruo, the DB room, probably Bandai,etc.) and unofficially (fans).

I fear its because there is no inspiration to Super being done at all. It isn't made as a continuation in mind but only thrown out because of the success of ROF. There just isn't any real innovation to it and as a stand alone series it really feels like a generic modern Shounen show. Theres just no substance in Super for me. It feels like it just exists for the sake of it existing. GT at least tried to progress the story.

Based on that I think it's safe to say we'll see Bardock and Gogeta sooner or later. I guess one way to predict future events is to go through popular demand and see what fans want now.

I honestly do expect to see Bardock somewhere now, even though they already ruined his character enough.

[ABED]

Why do so many on here think "evil Goku" is somehow fan related? It's a fictional trope to have dark versions of the hero.

As for "the fans" there is no such thing. It's just a label of a disparate group of people with different preferences and opinions.

[coola]

Considering how each fan have different story in mind, he would get crazy, if he tried to please everyone

[SansrivaaL]

No, and he shouldn't. Fans are stupid and don't know what they want.

This.
I want Toriyama's story, not stories of him trying to please his fans.