Kokonoe wrote:Once again, we shouldn't let random people that have annoyed us become the basis for discussing this series. If we go on that end, I could very well mention all of the times people don't even give a dub a chance because they think the only thing that can be done right is Japanese. I could also go on about how people could be "nostalgic" (bleck hate that term) for enjoying even the Japanese variant cause that is what they first grew up with. It would be far wiser to just respect that none of our opinions are factually correct and allow others to have their views without stipulations such as "nostalgia" or "they first grew up with".
Except that, factually, & objectively from every angle, Kai's dub is superior. Voice acting, scripting, translation. It's objectively better on all of those accounts. The only thing holding someone back from acknowledging that is one who's afflicted by nostalgia. I don't give one single shit if anyone enjoys Z's dub unironically, to each their own, but don't sit there & not acknowledge the strengths Kai has over it if you're one of them, not that I'm saying you are.
"Nostalgia" is the EXACT term to use in situations like these most of the time. It exists because someone enjoyed something years ago, but years later it doesn't exactly hold the same stature it once had, nor was it particularly good when it aired. The people who've liked it since they were kids & still do & like it more than Kai have nostalgia as part as their reasoning
Kokonoe wrote:Just because you deem something is quality doesn't mean it factually is quality, it all comes down to subjective opinions in the end. The way something sounds, the way something is executed, the color of something, the processing of something. I mean, you have people that prefer JPN Kai over the original JPN Z for reasons such as voices and music. You can also have reasons for said opinions, just as anyone who prefers the original ENG dub can have their reasons, but let's stop with the whole implying everyone is biased for thinking something is better than you or others opinions on this subject, or there being some kind of biased reason for them to think this way. It's doing no one any favors and all it leads to is petty squabbles. If someone thinks ENG Kai dub is the best, that's okay, if someone thinks JPN's dub is the best, that's okay, if someone thinks Portuguese dub is the best, that's okay.
Everyone is equal is here, we just share very different views.
Yeah, we share different views. That's not what's being argued against here. Kai's dub is objectively better. That's not exactly the word of the land, but it's many of us being objective & analyzing the dubs & comparing them, as we're free to do.
If people like the Portuguese dub of Z, more power to them, if someone prefers either English dub, great, if someone prefers the original Japanese, I'm not gonna stop them. People are going to have differing opinions, yes, & they're no less valid than the other. However, it's the reasonings that people can fight about & Z's dub is definitely a nostalgic kind of dub for many.
You want strengths compared to strengths? The scene with Goku's "I am" speech comes to mind. The original's fairly ok in the acting, but the lines leave something to be desired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgL-RKRRJ5E Kai's translation is MUCH better & it's better acted too. Then there's the scene where Goku goes Super Saiyan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ-f06vdPN0. Check the comments section, most of them agree Kai's is better than Z's. Even Tea Four Star's versions are objectively better & they were amateurs at the time! I could find more, but we'll be here all day.
