So I just realized Piccolo never killed anyone in DBZ after Radditz/Goku

[Kamiccolo9]

He takes out a ton of Metal Cooler's robots, if I recall correctly. If we're counting the Bio-men, we might as well count those.

I wasn't counting those cause they're just mindless robot drones. That's almost like smashing up vehicles (vehicles that can fight back granted, but still). The Biomen were living creatures. Created in a lab, but still living, breathing, organic beings. Its why I would also count that one Saibaiman Piccolo takes out in the Saiya-jin arc to his manga kill count.

If I recall correctly, they do communicate, even if it's just telling Namekians where to line up. Everyone seems to include 19 for one of Vegeta's kills, so I don't really see a difference.

[ABED]

He takes out a ton of Metal Cooler's robots, if I recall correctly. If we're counting the Bio-men, we might as well count those.

I wasn't counting those cause they're just mindless robot drones. That's almost like smashing up vehicles (vehicles that can fight back granted, but still). The Biomen were living creatures. Created in a lab, but still living, breathing, organic beings. Its why I would also count that one Saibaiman Piccolo takes out in the Saiya-jin arc to his manga kill count.

If I recall correctly, they do communicate, even if it's just telling Namekians where to line up. Everyone seems to include 19 for one of Vegeta's kills, so I don't really see a difference.

Well, the robots in Movie 6 are little more than drones carrying out programming. 19 has more of a personality and feels emotions such as fear.

[precita]

Between this and the Vegeta threads, it seems as though there's a contingent who seem to believe the only way to contribute to the story is to kill the big bad or rack up a body count.

You should see the fanart and internet meme's. A lot of people rag on Yamcha because he never killed anyone or won a (canon) fight in DBZ. But then you stop to realize even Piccolo barely ever did either.

[floofychan333]

We could take Piccolo Daimao's kills into account. Daimao [spoiler]killed Roshi, Chaozu, Shenlong, and basically Master Mutaito[/spoiler] and probably pillaged everyone in his path during the original King Piccolo wars.

[TheZFighter]

You could say he killed Nail, I guess. Maybe Kami.

Would "assimilate" not be a better term?

Between this and the Vegeta threads, it seems as though there's a contingent who seem to believe the only way to contribute to the story is to kill the big bad or rack up a body count.

You should see the fanart and internet meme's. A lot of people rag on Yamcha because he never killed anyone or won a (canon) fight in DBZ. But then you stop to realize even Piccolo barely ever did either.

Well this is The Goku 'n' his Super Saiyan Friends Show.

[mcdjbeatz]

Who killed Garlic Jr's henchmen in the Garlic Jr. saga? I remember Gohan killing at least two of them, I can't recall if he killed them all or if Piccolo killed one of them.

Gohan killed all of Garlic Jr's Henchman, he killed Vinegar and Spice with a double masenko and Salt and Mustard with individual masenkos.

[nickzambuto]

Contribution and respect are more important than actually landing the killing blow.

Piccolo saved everyone against Nappa and saved everyone against Freeza, multiple times in fact. He also humiliated Gero, which was a great moment, along with karate chopping Babidi in half. I think he remained fairly relevant.

[Kunzait_83]

We could take Piccolo Daimao's kills into account. Daimao [spoiler]killed Roshi, Chaozu, Shenlong, and basically Master Mutaito[/spoiler] and probably pillaged everyone in his path during the original King Piccolo wars.

There was also several of the Earth King's palace guards that he killed (including that one large bodyguard whom he bodily impaled), as well as god knows how many thousands of civilians in that city he blew up. And yeah, he definitely was responsible for a whole ton of death and carnage back during his original attack on humanity (where Mutaito sealed him). If you factor in what he did as Daimao (since Ma Junior is basically Daimao reborn/reincarnated), then Piccolo's death toll rises substantially.

[precita]

I don't count Piccolo as the same as his father. He retains the memories of his father, but he is essentially his son. Even Piccolo's face looks different than his father's did, especially if you compare the young versions of both in the arcs right after each other.

[Kunzait_83]

I don't count Piccolo as the same as his father. He retains the memories of his father, but he is essentially his son. Even Piccolo's face looks different than his father's did, especially if you compare the young versions of both in the arcs right after each other.

This is a source of a lot of contention in fandom. In the original Japanese dialogue, Piccolo (Ma Junior) is referred to as BOTH Daimao's son as well as Daimao himself reincarnated. The term that's most often used to describe him in the Ma Junior arc is "Piccolo Daimao's double". Its the sort of thing that's vaguely reminiscent of religious concepts like Jesus Christ being both the son of God as well as God Himself at the same time (to pull from a Western example for a change).

Daimao gave birth to a son as he was dying (hence why Piccolo looks physically different) and then right as he was dying he transferred his memories and his essence, everything that made him what he was into the child's body. Thus Daimao was reborn/reincarnated into the body of his own son. The Piccolo that we know in Z is effectively Daimao himself (to the point of still maintaining the same spiritual connection to Kami), but changed and altered in certain ways in the transition (like having a conscience as well as no longer being considered a demonic spirit by the DB world's spiritual laws; almost like being reborn acted as some kind of spiritual "filter").

Even during the Saiya-jin, Freeza, and early Cell/Jinzoningen arcs, right up till when he re-merges with Kami, many of the other characters still at times referred to and addressed him as "Piccolo Daimao" straight up. He IS still technically Daimao, but radically changed, i.e. he's no longer a being of pure malevolent evil. Its also why when Piccolo and Kami re-merge in the Cell arc, he refers to himself as "the Namek who had long since forgotten his name". I.e. the original son of Katatsu. Because both halves (good and evil) have rejoined together (after the evil half underwent some "purification" beforehand first). Because Piccolo Ma Junior IS still the other half that was missing from Kami, i.e. Daimao. Its why that moment when he first goes to Kami's temple to re-merge is played up as such a dramatic moment, and why Piccolo's behavior from that point on changes in some subtle (and not so subtle) ways.

In any event, its certainly not just as simple or clean cut a matter as "one's the father, the other's the son". In all honesty, going just off the Japanese script, the dialogue often times seems to lean more heavily towards painting Piccolo Ma Junior and Piccolo Daimao being one and the same being rather than two distinct "father/son" entities (though it at times does go the father/son way too; because BOTH are technically true).

Either way though, I was only saying before that you could add those additional kills IF you wanted to count Piccolo's actions as Daimao. "If" being the operative word here.

[SaintEvolution]

I have never realized that before. You opened my mind. Not kidding.

[Pickle_Jar]

Personally from my perspective, everytime an enemy comes, Piccolo doesn't seem strong enough to kill said enemy. His last chance at killing someone were the Freeza soldiers, or maybe even Sorbet. But he hasn't been getting any spotlight lately, so it makes sense. The saiyans literally took over the story.

I feel the same and it irks me. But I'm a Piccolo fangirl, so I'm kinda biased

[Hellspawn28]

Piccolo killing Babidi would have been a nice touch.

[precita]

To be honest I wish they let Piccolo come on board Babidi's ship and not get toned to stone. Even having something as minor as Piccolo killing another minor henchmen like Pui Pui or Yamu would have been fine for me.

[Kid Buu]

Hell Piccolo never even won a fight in the manga after he killed that Saibaman

Yup. Two chances to be the strongest and nothing really came out of it.

[omaro34]

Piccolo got plenty of kills in the movies.

[omaro34]

To be honest I wish they let Piccolo come on board Babidi's ship and not get toned to stone. Even having something as minor as Piccolo killing another minor henchmen like Pui Pui or Yamu would have been fine for me.

Piccolo would have wrecked Pui Pui into a million pieces, that guy thought 10 times Earth's gravity was something special.