(EDIT: I found something!) Is there anywhere I can read really old Dragon Ball threads?

[Forte224]

EDIT: I found something! I made a post farther down but figured I'd edit it in up here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/5 ... m_the_90s/

I'm talking like back around when the show first was airing in the States or a little after. I can find stuff from like 2004+ and I know the internet wasn't as widespread back farther, but I'm just curious if there's like and old website I can check out and see people's thoughts at the time, if I'm making any sense. Or does something like that simply not exist?

[sintzu]

You could probably find something but it'll be really hard cause a lot of sites from back then (90's-early00's) are probably closed now.

[Ki Breaker]

You could probably find something but it'll be really hard cause a lot of sites from back then (90's-early00's) are probably closed now.

I wonder, how long is kanzenshuu going to stay, realistically..

[sintzu]

I wonder, how long is kanzenshuu going to stay, realistically.

I think each site is different so it depends on what kind of service VegettoEX (he runs this place right ?) is using. There are topics here from when everything moved here from Kanzentai so that's a good sign.

[precita]

If you look at the oldest threads on this very site you can find threads from around 2004. It's pretty amusing reading old stuff from more than 15 years ago with people arguing about the same things people do now, not counting the stuff that didn't exist back then like Kai and Super.

You can find the same power level debates, the same complaining about the humans (Krillin/Yamcha/Tien) treatment, the same saga debates, the same dub debates, etc. back in 2004 that feel like posts you would read today.

[Forte224]

If you look at the oldest threads on this very site you can find threads from around 2004. It's pretty amusing reading old stuff from more than 15 years ago with people arguing about the same things people do now, not counting the stuff that didn't exist back then like Kai and Super.

You can find the same power level debates, the same complaining about the humans (Krillin/Yamcha/Tien) treatment, the same saga debates, the same dub debates, etc. back in 2004 that feel like posts you would read today.

Yeah I don't really know what I'm expecting. Bummer there's nothing from farther back (that anyone's pointed to yet or that I've found yet) but the 2004 onward stuff is always an interesting read. Especially the theories of how the series could continue and if GT is canon or not. It's like, oh, you guys have no idea what's coming

[precita]

Yeah, it's so amusing to especially read posts saying, "There will NEVER be a new Dragonball series after GT bombed" or "Toriyama wants nothing to do with Dragonball anymore" or "Dragonball is dead in Japan now."

I remember so many people wanted DBZ to continue after the Buu saga finished airing in the U.S. People had to be told time and time again there would never be a new Dragonball series ever again. How ironic it is then that in the year 2015 a new Dragonball series was actually announced.

It still feels surreal to this day that we actually have a new Dragonball series airing weekly in the modern year.

[Forte224]

I actually found this!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/5 ... m_the_90s/

Pretty interesting stuff!

[sintzu]

You can find the same complaining about the humans treatment.

Why ? in the manga they were treated pretty good overall.

It still feels surreal to this day that we actually have a new Dragonball series airing weekly in the modern year.

I remember when it was announced people said it would never go past the Champa arc or reach 100 episodes yet here we are with 2 more arcs and nearly 100 episodes later with no signs of it stopping.

[Gaffer Tape]

I think the Opinions section on the website Dragon Ball Z Uncensored is a good place to get fan feedback on when the dub first started airing.

[TheZFighter]

I actually found this!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/5 ... m_the_90s/

Pretty interesting stuff!

Thanks really enjoyed reading.

[Hellspawn28]

Internet Archive is your friend. I've been using the Internet since 1997 when I was 6 and been on DB fan forums since 2001. The DB fandom sure has changed a lot. By the mid 2000's around 2006, the Toonami era fandom has completely take over the old fandom.

[Forte224]

I think the Opinions section on the website Dragon Ball Z Uncensored is a good place to get fan feedback on when the dub first started airing.

Nice that was cool, thanks!

[VegettoEX]

The install of this forum dates back to 2004 when we personally began running the software. Related: I have zero plans to ever take down this website, and the four of us will make plans to ensure its longevity.

People need to think outside the box a little bit here: the internet is more than web forums! The newsgroup alt.fan.dragonball (and before it, a little more generally, rec.arts.misc.anime) existed long before we had functional web-based forums, and all of that is (slightly unfortunately) archived for all time due to its decentralized structure.

(The newsgroup was mentioned in the later update to the first post, but I'm just kinda adding it here since most others later in the thread didn't really address it.)

[Hellspawn28]

The oldest post on the web of Dragon Ball that I can find a9re:

8/29/1990

>Interesting note. Dragon Ball Z is said to be one of the more popular
>>animes currently in Japan.

"...is said to be..." Well, truth to tell, very simply, it is. I mean,
>like wow, say that again. When I was there (no less than three weeks
>ago -- (just as a side-note for interested and/or sympathetic parties,
>I have finally gotten over the worst of the jet lag coming back...!)),
>there was Dragonball stuff like everywhere! I mean, everywhere!
>Apparently, there's a new Dragonball movie out in Japan currently (or
>was it soon to be out? well, whatever.), and for fear of becoming
>too redundant in my speech, I shall not mention once more that there
>was Dragonball stuff like everywhere! (sorry) I mean, the hype, the
>publicity, the... everything... was simply... Well, there was a lot.
>I mean, it was like second only to... uh... Hm. Nothing seems to
>be coming to mind, for some reason. Well, anyway, everybody knows
>that Dragonball is a kid's show, right? But there it was really big
>in Japan, so I thought, Heck. I might as well get the first manga
>volume [they're up to around 18 or 19, i think] just to see what
>the story's about and if it's any good. So I did. And it's actually
>pretty funny. But that's just my opinion..

One reason that Dragon Ball Z is so popular is its diminutive form, like
Super-Deformed (SD) characters. I must admit, I'm hooked myself.

Some tape trading from 9/8/1990

[spoiler]

This is a list of animation available from Japan Video. I took it from
their price list.

A-001 Mobilesuit Gundam 1 (134 Min.)
A-002 Mobilesuit Gundam 2 (134)
A-003 Mobilesuit Gundam 3 (140)
A-004 Mobilesuit Gundam - Char's Counterattack (120)
A-005 Crusher Joe (131)
A-006 Crusher Joe - Ice Cold Hell (60)
A-007 Crusher Joe - Ultimate Weapon (56)
A-008 Cream Lemon - Graduation Album (60)
A-009 Cream Lemon 3 (25)
A-010 Cream Lemon 4 (25)
A-011 Cream Lemon 9 (25)
A-012 Lupin the 3rd - Albatross (50)
A-013 Lupin the 3rd - Castle of Cagliostro (100)
A-014 Lupin the 3rd - Golden Legend of Babylon (100)
A-015 Lupin the 3rd - A Plot of Fuma Family (73)
A-016 Lupin the 3rd - Bye-bye, Liberty (97)
A-017 Yoto-den 1 (41)
A-018 Yoto-den 2 (40)
A-019 Yoto-den 3 (45)
A-020 Dr. Slump - Wonder Island (25)
A-021 Dr. Slump - Mechapolis (38)
A-022 Saint Seiya (45)
A-023 Saint Seiya 2 (45)
A-024 Dangaioh 1 (45)
A-025 Dangaioh 2 (40)
A-026 Dangaioh 3 (40)
A-027 Aura Battler Dumbine 1 (80)
A-028 Aura Battler Dumbine 2 (80)
A-029 Aura Battler Dumbine 3 (80)
A-030 Urotsuki Doji 1 - Legend of the Super God (40)
A-031 Urotsuki Doji 2 (54)
A-032 Urotsuki Doji 3 (45)
A-033 Urotsuki Doji (movie) (108)
A-034 Kimagure Orange Road - Weekly Jump (30)
A-035 Kimagure Orange Road - Best Selection (75)
A-036 Kimagure Orange Road - I Wish I Could Go Back (69)
A-037 Kimagure Orange Road - White Lovers (25)
A-038 Kimagure Orange Road - The Star Festival (40)
A-039 Night on the Galactic Express (107)
A-040 Megazone 23 Part 1 (80)
A-041 Megazone 23 Part 2 (80)
A-041 Megazone 23 Part 2 (in English) (95)
A-042 Megazone 23 Part 3 - Awakening of Eve (50)
A-043 Megazone 23 Part 3 - Emancipation Day (50)
A-044 Project A-Ko 1 (83)
A-045 Project A-Ko 2 (75)
A-046 Project A-Ko 3 (50)
A-047 Project A-Ko 4) (60)
A-048 Bubblegum Crisis 1 (53)
A-049 Bubblegum Crisis 2 (30)
A-050 Bubblegum Crisis 3 (30)
A-051 Bubblegum Crisis 4 (40)
A-052 Bubblegum Crisis 5 (45)
A-053 Bubblegum Crisis 6 (45)
A-054 Bubblegum Crisis - Hurrican Live (25)
A-055 Super Deformed Gundam 1 (30)
A-056 Super Deformed Gundam (30)
A-057 God Mars 1 (56)
A-058 God Mars 2 (99)
A-060 Digital Devil - Reincarnation of the Divinity (45)
A-061 Asuka (48)
A-062 Crystal Triangle (80)
A-063 Deru Power X (42)
A-064 Fight! Iczer One Act 1 (25)
A-065 Fight! Iczer One Act 2 (25)
A-066 Fight! Iczer One Act 3 (45)
A-067 Mirror of Arei (25)
A-068 Area 88 Act 1 (50)
A-069 Area 88 Act 2 (57)
A-070 Area 88 Act 3 (96)
A-071 Gunbuster 1 (60)
A-072 Gunbuster 2 (60)
A-073 Gunbuster 3 (60)
A-074 Fandora 1 (35)
A-075 Fandora 2 (43)
A-076 Fandora 3 (46)
A-077 Ideon 1 - Contact (84)
A-078 Ideon 2 - Operation (99)
A-079 Salamander (50)
A-080 Salamander - Basic Saga (60)
A-081 Salamander - Advanced Saga (60)
A-082 Botoms - Unknown Red Shoulders (53)
A-083 Macross - Love: Do You Remember ? (114)
A-083E Macross (in English) (115)
A-084 Macross - Flash Back 2012 (30)
A-085 Macross - Mech Graffiti (45)
A-086 Odin (139)
A-087 Golgo (94)
A-088 Yamato (135)
A-089 Good-bye Yamato (152)
A-090 Be Forever yamato (95)
A-091 Yamato - New Voyage (145)
A-092 Final Yamato (165)
A-093 Yamato - Symphony (60)
A-094 Urusei Yatsura 1 - Only YOU (91)
A-095 Urusei Yatsura 2 - Beautiful Dreamer (98)
A-096 Urusei Yatsura 3 - Remember My Love (93)
A-097 Urusei Yatsura 4 - Lum: The FOrever (94)
A-098 Urusei Yatsura 5 - Ryoko's September Tea Party (60)
A-099 Urusei Yatsura - I AM "Shu" Chan (30)
A-100 Urusei Yatsura '87' (60)
A-101 Urusei Yatsura Conclusion (90)
A-102 Urusei Yatsura - Nagisa's Fiance (30)
A-103 Urusei Yatsura - Awful Sherbet (30)
A-104 Vifam (55)
A-105 Chikyu Boeigun - Terrestrial Defense Army (49)
A-106 Vampire Hunter D (80)
A-107 Dougram (80)
A-108 Fire Tripper (48)
A-109 Honneamise (119)
A-110 Arion (119)
A-111 Dirty Pair - Affair of Nolandia (55)
A-112 Dirty Pair (Movie) (80)
A-113 Dirty Pair (TV) - From Lovely Angel WIth Love (50)
A-114 Dirty Pair (OAV) 1 (50)
A-115 Dirty Pair (OAV) 2 (50)
A-116 Dirty Pair (OAV) 3 (50)
A-117 Dirty Pair (OAV) 4 (50)
A-118 Dirty Pair (OAV) 5 (50)
A-119 Dirty Pair - Last Fantasy (92)
A-120 Greed (57)
A-121 Nora (56)
A-122 Dancougar - Requiem For Victims (90)
A-123 God Bless Dancougar (80)
A-124 Adieu Galaxy Express 999 (130)
A-125 Gall Force - Eternal Story (86)
A-126 Gall Force 2 (50)
A-127 Gall Force 3 (60)
A-128 Rhea Gall Force (60)
A-129 Beast City (85)
A-130 Magical Story of Betty (53)
A-131 Nayuta (75)
A-132 Creamy Mamie Special (90)
A-133 Hokuto No Ken TV 1 (60)
A-134 Hokuto No Ken TV 2 (60)
A-135 Hokuto No Ken TV 3 (60)
A-136 Hokuto No Ken TV (Movie) (110)
A-137 Vengence of the Space Pirate (130)
A-137E Vengence of the Space Pirate (English)
A-138 Phoenix (60)
A-139 Legend of Lyon : Flair
A-140 Windaria (101)
A-141 Violence Jack (40)
A-142 Zeorymar 1 (30)
A-143 Zeorymar 2 (30)
A-144 Laputa (124)
A-145 Layzner Act 1 (56)
A-146 Layzner Act 2 (56)
A-147 Layzner Act 3 (56)
A-148 Time Stranger (91)
A-149 Samy (60)
A-150 M.D. Guyst (45)
A-151 Wanna Be's (45)
A-152 Majokko Clib (45)
A-153 Ginga Eiyu Densetsu (Legend of Galtic Heroes) (60)
A-154 Gundam 0080 1 (30)
A-155 Gundam 0080 2 (30)
A-156 Gundam 0080 3 (30)
A-157 Gundam 0080 4 (30)
A-158 Gundam 0080 5 (30)
A-159 Gundam 0080 6 (30)
A-160 Amon Saga (75)
A-161 Gai King (75)
A-162 Black Magic M-66 (48)
A-163 The Tale of 2001 Nights (60)
A-164 The Laughing Target (50)
A-165 There are Eleven (92)
A-166 Outlanders (48)
A-167 Lily-Cat (67)
A-168 Justy (44)
A-169E Locke the Superpower (in English) (92)
A-170E Space Warriors (in English) (97)
A-171 machine Robo - Revenge of Crons (30)
A-172E Space Firebird (in English) (95)
A-173E Dallos (in English) (84)
A-174E Street Fight (in English) (89)
A-175E Future War X Year- 198X Year (125)
A-176 Revenge of a Ninga Warrior (96)
A-176E (in English)
A-177 Harmageden / Genmataisen (132)
A-178 Devilman (51)
A-179 Full Metal Soldier L. Gaim (55)
A-180 Warriors of the Wind / Nausicaa (116)
A-180E (in English) (95)
A-181E Techno Police (in English) (80)
A-182 Radius (48)
A-183E A journey Through Fairyland (in English) (95)
A-184 Dragon Ball (45)
A-185 Maps (52)
A-186 Robot Carnival (90)
A-187 Etranger (90)
A-188 Madox-01 (48)
A-189 Sonic Soldier Borgman 1 (43)
A-190 Sonic Soldier Borgman 2 (88)
A-191 Elf - 17 (30)
A-192 Lensman (108)
A-193 Dragon's Heaven (45)
A-194 Junk Boy (53)
A-195 Legaciam (50)
A-196 Queen of the Thousand Years (121)
A-197 Angel's Egg (75)
A-198 The Super Gal (45)
A-199 Gailent (56)
A-200 Birth (80)
A-201 Apple Seed (70)
A-202 Leda (72)
A-203 Xanandu (50)
A-204 The Last Teacher (60)
A-205 The Tale of Genji (60)
A-206 Rose De Versalles (90)
A-207 Valteus (30)
A-208E When The Wind Blows (in English) (80)
A-209E Galaxy Express (in English)
A-210 Cleopatora D.C. (30)
A-211 Zeorymer 1 (30)
A-212 Zeorymer 2 (30)
A-213E Defenders of the Vortex (in English)
A-214 Tokyo Vice (56)
A-215 Zillion (47)
A-216 Orguss (45)
A-217 Orguss (42)
A-218 Call Me Tonight (30)
A-219E Light Years (in English) (83)
A-220E State of the Art of Computer Animation (60)
A-221 Tonarino Totoro (86)
A-222 Akira (124)
A-223 Demon City Shinjuku (80)
A-224 Hotaru No Hake (90)
A-225 Grey (80)
A-226 Robotech 1 Episodes 1-6 (in English) (100)
A-227 Robotech 2 Episodes 7-12 (in English) (100)
A-228 Robotech 3 Episodes 13-18 (in English) (100)
A-229 Robotech 4 Episodes 19-24 (in English) (100)
A-230 Robotech 5 Episodes 25-30 (in English) (100)
A-231 Robotech 6 Episodes 31-36 (in English) (100)
A-232 Robotech Sentinels (in English) (76)
A-233 Vampire Miyu Vol.1 (30)
A-234 Vampire Miyu Vol.2 (30)
A-235 Vampire Miyu Vol.3 (30)
A-236 Vampire Miyu Vol.4 (30)
A-237 Ariel 1 (30)
A-238 Ariel 2 (30)
A-239 City Hunter (87)
A-240 Venus Wars (104)
A-241 Midnight Eye / Gokuu (50)
A-242 Utsu No Miko (83)
A-243 The Five star Stories (65)
A-244 Earthian (45)
A-245 Legend of Lemnear (45)
A-246 Karura Mau! (80)
A-247 Dominion Act 1 (40)
A-248 Dominion Act 2 (40)
A-249 Dominion Act 3 (40)
A-250 Dominion Act 4 (37)
A-251 Dragon ball - Big Wonder Great Adventure (46)
A-252 Kujaku-O Part 1 (55)
A-253 Kujaku-O Part 2 (60)
A-254 Saint Seiya (Movie) - Warriors of the Final Battle (45)
A-255 Saint Seiya (Movie) - Boy With A Red Star (72)
A-256 Samurai Troopers 1 (30)
A-257 Samurai Troopers 2 (30)
A-258 Bioarmer Liger 1 (98)
A-259 Bioarmer Liger 2 (100)
A-260 The Guyver 1 (30)
A-261 The Guyver 2 (30)
A-262 The Guyver 3 (30)
A-263 The Guyver 4 (30)
A-264 The Guyver 5 (30)
A-265 The Guyver 6 (30)
A-266 Hi-Speed Jecy 1 (30)
A-267 Hi-Speed Jecy 2 (30)
A-268 Baoh (50)
A-269 Gall Force - Earth Chapter 1 (45)
A-270 Patlabor (118)
A-271 Angel Cop 1 (30)
A-272 Angel Cop 2 (30)
A-273 Angel Cop 3 (30)
A-274 The Borgman - Last Battle
A-275 Majo No Takkyubin/Kiki's Delivery Service (103)
A-276 Garaga (100)
A-277 Project Zeorymer Part 3 (30)
A-278 Project Zeorymer Part 4 (30)
A-279 Dirty Pair - A Plot of the Flight 005 (60)
A-280 Devilman 2 (60)
A-281 Sol Bianca (55)
A-282 Bubblegum Crisis 7 - Double Vision (30)
A-283 Midnight Eye / Gokuu 2 (50)
A-284 Riki-Oh (60)
A-285 Edokko Boy Gatten Tasuke (30)

I am interested in adding a short synopsis to each
title and am open to contributions.... Also if anyone knows of a title, I've
missed, I'd be interested in adding it.

[/spoiler]
It is always cool to see that people was talking about Dragon Ball before I was born. I was told that you had DB fans before the Internet was even created in the US. People would trade RAW tapes before fan subbing exist.

[precita]

Just think all those people who were already teens or adults in the 80's or 90's when Dragonball was airing to be old enough to talk about it online or travel to Japan...these people are like 50 years old now. Goddamn, it makes you wonder if any of them are watching Super.

It's times like this it's easy to forget Dragonball is over 30 years old. All the people who were already 10 when it first came out in 1986 are now 45+ years old.

[nickzambuto]

Just think all those people who were already teens or adults in the 80's or 90's when Dragonball was airing to be old enough to talk about it online or travel to Japan...these people are like 50 years old now. Goddamn, it makes you wonder if any of them are watching Super.

It's times like this it's easy to forget Dragonball is over 30 years old. All the people who were already 10 when it first came out in 1986 are now 45+ years old.

That's what I'm wondering. They were apparently hardcore enough to put up with the barely functioning internet of that time period just to find other fans who they could go to a whole heap of trouble to swap tapes with. Surely they haven't just forgotten.

[Soppa Saia People]

If you look at the oldest threads on this very site you can find threads from around 2004. It's pretty amusing reading old stuff from more than 15 years ago with people arguing about the same things people do now, not counting the stuff that didn't exist back then like Kai and Super.

You can find the same power level debates, the same complaining about the humans (Krillin/Yamcha/Tien) treatment, the same saga debates, the same dub debates, etc. back in 2004 that feel like posts you would read today.

The old Daizenshuu EX threads are worth reading just for ruthless VegettoEX.

[Ringworm128]

I remember finding a link to a pre-public internet chat from 89 talking about anime, however Dragonball was only sparsely mentioned and the forum that had the link seems to have disappeared.

[TheBigBoy]

Man, I remember posting on the planetnamek.com boards around 1999-2001, and like others have said, the discussions weren't too different than what we see today. I do remember the arguments between the "dubbies" and "subbies" would often devolve into the absolute nastiest flame wars I ever saw on the internet.