Should TFS be blamed for the treatment of Yamcha?

[coola]

But TFS is NOT the show. It's not a dub of DB. It's basically "Bad Lip Reading".

I'm kinda reminded of dialogue from Re: Creators, when fanfiction character of already existing character become seperate character, with happens when fan version of that character is different and popular enough for that to happen, similar thing happened with TFS, many people consider it another English dub, and way to watch DBZ nowadays, no matter what creator intention was.

[Super_Divine_Genki]

I don't feel like a close up shot of Popo's face is a nod to TFS. It's just a close up shot of the dudes face.

The close-up of his eyes, from what I remember, was coupled with a "serious" sound cue. That had not once been present in previous Popo scenes throughout the original run.

It's very minor, but it's still suggesting that there's a degree of online culture influences.

[Boo Machine]

I don't feel like a close up shot of Popo's face is a nod to TFS. It's just a close up shot of the dudes face.

The close-up of his eyes, from what I remember, was coupled with a "serious" sound cue. That had not once been present in previous Popo scenes throughout the original run.

Super does a lot of things different than the original run. Including Music and sound effect placement.

Even if that weren't the case "Serious" popo isn't something TFS came up with. Popo is capable of being serious. Like for telling people not to break his stuff. It's not nearly strong enough evidence to suggest a nod to some parody. Any indication is something the fans come up with.

[ABED]

Even if that weren't the case "Serious" popo isn't something TFS came up with. Popo is capable of being serious. Like for telling people not to break his stuff.

Popo is usually serious.

I'm kinda reminded of dialogue from Re: Creators, when fanfiction character of already existing character become seperate character, with happens when fan version of that character is different and popular enough for that to happen, similar thing happened with TFS, many people consider it another English dub, and way to watch DBZ nowadays, no matter what creator intention was.

To which I would gladly tell those people "You aren't watching DBZ!"

[Super_Divine_Genki]

Even if that weren't the case "Serious" popo isn't something TFS came up with. Popo is capable of being serious. Like for telling people not to break his stuff. It's not nearly strong enough evidence to suggest a nod to some parody. Any indication is something the fans come up with.

I said that the sound cue was "serious". Mr. Popo was being threatening in that instance - to Vegeta of all people. When has Mr. Popo ever gone that far in-universe? He knows Vegeta's character and should expect nothing more/less. They can obviously magically repair the temple.

[Boo Machine]

Even if that weren't the case "Serious" popo isn't something TFS came up with. Popo is capable of being serious. Like for telling people not to break his stuff. It's not nearly strong enough evidence to suggest a nod to some parody. Any indication is something the fans come up with.

I said that the sound cue was "serious". Mr. Popo was being threatening in that instance - to Vegeta of all people. When has Mr. Popo ever gone that far? He knows Vegeta's character and should expect nothing more/less. They can obviously magically repair the temple.

Threatening a ban. Which still isn't a nod to anything. Popo just doesn't want his building broken. How "magically" he can repair something doesn't matter. If it wasn't an inconvenience to him, he wouldn't mind anyone breaking anything.

[Super_Divine_Genki]

I don't see in the slightest degree a scene like that existing in-universe in any DB series had the "TFS Popo" jokes/memes not caught on big. Many others were pointing that "nod" out in its episode thread, and it's something that struck me as odd when I'd first seen that episode as well.

[Kunzait_83]

The close-up of his eyes, from what I remember, was coupled with a "serious" sound cue. That had not once been present in previous Popo scenes throughout the original run.

It's very minor, but it's still suggesting that there's a degree of online culture influences.

Look no offense, but it cannot help but sound like you're DESPERATELY grasping at straws here.

Again this point back to my original question I asked in this thread: people don't just come across like they think that TFS might have an impact on the show itself, they twist themselves into knots trying to justify "evidence" that they for sure have an impact, which absolutely smacks of them really badly WANTING it to be the case that TFS has an impact on the show. And why, WHY would that be exactly?

Again, my best guess in the back of my head is: wish fulfillment. Specifically the idea that a fan project can have such a seismic ripple effect that it gets back to the original show and alters or affects its content. Fans seem to really want for THAT particular fantasy to be a reality and live it vicariously through TFS.

"These guys were just fans like me who made a youtube fan parody thing, and now they're rubbing elbows with FUNi voice actors (and that's beyond sad if that's something that matters a lot to you, as none of the FUNi VAs are anyone who have anything to do with DB in any meaningful way) and who knows, it seems they're even impacting the new Super episodes even! I want that, that seems attainable!"

[Boo Machine]

I don't see in the slightest degree a scene like that existing in-universe in any DB series had the "TFS Popo" jokes/memes not caught on big. Many others were pointing that "nod" out in its episode thread, and it's something that struck me as odd when I'd first seen that episode as well.

That scene is just a close up of Popos face saying Vegeta will be banned. It's not something that paints Popo OOC. He is just stating a rule. Many people pointing it out isn't evidence of anything. it's just means a lot of people like TFS enough to think about them in certain scenes.

[ABED]

I understand where Kunzait is coming from and dear god I hope fans aren't hoping that if TFS has some impact, they can as well on DB or other shows they are fans of. I don't however agree that the dub VA's don't have anything to do with DB in any meaningful way, but that's a separate issue.

The most impact TFS has had on DB is the dub has the occassional TFS line. I dislike it as much as any show using fan created terms in-universe. For instance, I dislike it on Arrow when OTA or Original Team Arrow is used. It's a dumb term that isn't even correct. I dislike the TFS references in the dub even more. Kai's dub was created to get away from inaccuracies.

[Super_Divine_Genki]

Kunzait, when I'd quoted you earlier, my response began with "just saying", as I wasn't trying to draw too much attention to one small scene out of nearly 100 episodes. I've also used the word 'degree' several times. I honestly don't think much of it, other than I'd rather something like that not exist in DB if that was TOEI's intention. I'd also mentioned that I don't even follow -- or like -- the parody series.

If you'd seen any of my post history, "I don't want this stuff in my Dragon Ball", is what I've been saying all along. I DON'T want TOEI taking cues from FUNi's approach or anything else that may be out there. But, I know that I could just disregard Super altogether if it got to be too much.

I'm not sure how my text was reading as "I really wish that TFS jokes would find it into the Japanese production of DB",or "It's so cool that they get to buddy up with official FUNi VA's because that's something that I would love to be able to do. It means I could have an effect on Super too!"

You and I are closer to being on the same page about all of this.

[Soccerjam]

<Disruptive and defiant repost of "yes" repeated almost 7,000 times removed by moderator>

[Lord Beerus]

I hate to mini-mod but, Soccerjam, that kind of response was really not needed. You could have expressed yourself in a better way than just using a giant wall of text consisting of repeating the same word.

[MozillaVulpix]

Has anyone decided to blame Gintama before? That's an actual Sueisha-published property in Japan that also makes fun of Yamcha. Really, that would have more influence over the people behind Super than some internet parody that isn't even in their native language.

[floofychan333]

Not in the slightest. TFS doesn't make fun of Yamcha nearly as much as it could. It prefers to make fun of Kuririn or Vegeta and everyone else to a lesser extent.

[8000 Saiyan]

The fact that we got Yamcha's death pose in official material tells me that the producers/creative staff are influenced by the internet. Fans are to blame for making that a meme. What's funny about that? I still have no idea just like "IT'S OVER 9000".

I have no memory of TFS, so I have no idea if they have anything to do with it. However, the producers of new material era Dragon Ball are really bringing a lot of ideas that existed within the fandom that everyone joked about for years to life and that makes me think the fandom is being given a lot of attention. Dragon Ball Room is proof of that.

The hardcore Japanese fans from what I've heard on Twitter have complained about DBS' terrible portrayal(flanderization) of certain characters and Yamcha is the most easy one. It's no surprise really. So, its a mix of the fans and the producers giving attention to said fans' tastes who are to blame.

I think the reason why the "IT'S OVER 9000" thing became a meme was because of Drummond's delivery of that line.

[RandomGuy96]

I wonder if the OP was actually aware of the DB fandom's pre-TFS history. Yamcha has always basically been the Japanese version of Charlie Brown.

[Kaboom]

You may not be able to tell, but the problem's been decisively and definitively dealt with. Let's get back on topic and keep things chill.

[XanatosVanBadass]

I wonder if the OP was actually aware of the DB fandom's pre-TFS history. Yamcha has always basically been the Japanese version of Charlie Brown.

I think THAT title goes to Shinji Ikari personally.

[precita]

Is there any proof of Yamcha being received badly prior to say 1996 or so? I know we're talking about the pre-internet days here, but I don't think this started till Dragonball came to the west and all the dub fans came around.