ABED wrote:The idea is simple. By changing something minor in the past, it's effects compound over time in ways you can't always anticipate. For instance, the heart virus. Even in the real world, we don't always know exactly how viruses occur and when. Given that Goku's actions change as a result of knowing about the cyborgs beforehand, it's not hard to believe that he could've contracted it later or something he did caused him to be asymptomatic longer.
I know what it is, I just think it's a moronic concept that barely makes any sense in a real world application and it's a lazy, cop out answer whenever fiction uses it.
ABED wrote:Yes, the whole mystery is the hint.
It's not a mystery, Kami implies Cell exist, five chapters later, Cell info dumps everything. There is no mystery there and there certainly isn't one in-between Trunks' second return to Cell's introduction, that's when the story uses the cop out of the butter fly effect first.
ABED wrote: It is there. Trunks explains his story but as soon as he does, new questions that he can't answer start to pop up. Kami never said he always knew about Cell, just that he had some vague foreboding. You keep getting hung up on the 19&20 issue when it was fixed in the anime.
Questions that Toriyama first tries to explain away because of some vague tampering from Trunks then he immediately shifts gears into saying Cell, somehow, comes from another timeline and already changed things retroactively before Trunks himself even appeared.
ABED wrote:And I've read enough stories to know that there's no way that 19 and 20 weren't the big bads. All of these issues feel the result of time travel and as you can easily see from this and other time travel stories, it's an inherently illogical idea if you actually stop to think about them. The Cell arc as far as I can remember is the first time Toriyama uses time travel in DB at least on this scale. I've read that some think it's apparent that even Cell's transformations feel like the result of editorial tampering.
Cell's transformations don't feel like editorial tampering to me so much as an odd choice since Cell is setup as gaining power from eating people but he needs to eat these specific people to power up. It does make for a good story situation where you've got one bad guy vs some other bad guys and the good guys, similar to Namek. Expect much shorter and shittier.
I already explained what bugs me about DBs time travel vs Terminator. Terminator has a guy come from the future into the past. DB has the same until it's revealed another guy from an identical future killed the first guy who went back into another past stole his machine and made another new past that had another first guy from another future travel to from. It's a total, unnecessary mess. Just have some mini bug Cell hitch a ride with the Future Trunks we already know and start eating people to make himself grow. Same end result, considerably less bullshit to bog the narrative down.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):