Would you consider Goku manly? If not who are the manly characters in Dragon Ball?

[DragonBallKing]

Other than the big muscles which is commonly associated with manliness Is Goku manly? If not then who is?

[Chuquita]

Gokû's just Gokû to me. He exists in that nebulous neutral ground. I don't think I could call his childish personality manly or masculine. Immaturity isn't exclusive after all.
Gokû's got plenty of badass moments too, but that's also not an exclusive trait.

Of the Z team, while they're not hyper 80's Fist of the North Star, I'd say Vegeta, Krillin, buu arc Gohan, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Yajirobe.

[8000 Saiyan]

Vegeta, Piccolo, Tenshinhan and Bardock

[Bruma rabu]

I would say he is manly, not the manliest but he's manly.

[Vijay]

Alpha's of DBZ : Broly, Bojack, Kogu

Beta males are : Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo

Goku is boyish, instead of manliness. But once he gets down to business (2-3 instances in Z) he becomes Alpha. Ex: Goku when he was about to rip Perfect Cell's fckin face off at point blank Kamehameha & as he warns Trunks to get Dragon Radar frm West City.

Those 2 instances showed Goku's manly side. Too bad, its rarely showed

[Kuwabara]

Barring moments of comic relief, Goku is not "beta" in any instance.

Broly doesn't strike me as being alpha either, more like a very extreme instance of omega or sigma, depending on how you view his personality/moral outlook.

[dbgtFO]

Barring moments of comic relief, Goku is not "beta" in any instance.

Broly doesn't strike me as an alpha either, more like an extreme omega.

What is an Omega?
Only heard of the alpha and beta types.

[Kuwabara]

As I understand it, omegas are extreme social outcasts or people that suffer from severe personality disorder(s). Broly fits the bill there.

[dbgtFO]

As I understand it, omegas are extreme social outcasts or people that suffer from severe personality disorder(s). Broly fits the bill there.

I see. I do wonder if there are personality types assigned to every greek letter now.

[Kuwabara]

I don't think so. Alpha, beta, gamma, delta, lambda, sigma, and omega are the letters I've personally seen attached to different personality types.

[TheBigBoy]

Manliest character

[TheQuazz]

I don't think Goku's that manly, he's pretty immature and childish in pretty much all aspects but his physical abilities and form.
Vegeta doesn't strike me as "manly" either, he's a massive prick who kills helpless opponents without hesitation and always whinges when there's someone out there stronger than him.
I guess Yamcha could be manly if he wasn't making such a goof out of himself all the time.
Tien Shinhan is the manliest Dragon Ball character though, no doubt about that.
As far as Piccolo goes, how can he be manly if his race doesn't even have gender?

[ABED]

It depends on what you consider "manly".

[DragonBallKing]

It depends on what you consider "manly".

Courage, honour, loyalty, calm under pressure, assertiveness, consideration, humour, responsibility, reliability, are a few traits associated with manliness. Some also associate a large physique with manliness.

If you've ever watched/read fist of the north star, the protagonist Kenshiro has all of these qualities.

Goku has some of those but I wouldn't think of him as Considerate, responsible, or very loyal.

[ABED]

Courage, honour, loyalty, calm under pressure, assertiveness, consideration, humour, responsibility, reliability, are a few traits associated with manliness

Those are traits that apply to both men and women. And since when was humor a trait that indicates "manliness"?

[DragonBallKing]

Courage, honour, loyalty, calm under pressure, assertiveness, consideration, humour, responsibility, reliability, are a few traits associated with manliness

Those are traits that apply to both men and women. And since when was humor a trait that indicates "manliness"?

Fine fuck it, I'm a sexist piece of shit.

Go ahead and lock the thread VegettoEX, I'm being to offensive.

[floofychan333]

Courage, honour, loyalty, calm under pressure, assertiveness, consideration, humour, responsibility, reliability, are a few traits associated with manliness

Those are traits that apply to both men and women. And since when was humor a trait that indicates "manliness"?

I think what the original poster means to say here is that the "manly" qualities listed are associated with the heroes of the genre. Obviously, any human can have these qualities, but in the Shonen/Wuxia/battle manga genre that DB fits into those are classic staples of the male action hero which are (somewhat unfortunately) less present in the women of that genre.

Fine fuck it, I'm a sexist piece of shit.

Go ahead and lock the thread VegettoEX, I'm being to offensive.

I highly doubt ABED is accusing you of sexism here as I've learned from his posting style that he's generally interested in seeking a good discussion and doesn't intend to attack people.

[Kunzait_83]

Those are traits that apply to both men and women. And since when was humor a trait that indicates "manliness"?

I think what the original poster means to say here is that the "manly" qualities listed are associated with the heroes of the genre. Obviously, any human can have these qualities, but in the Shonen/Wuxia/battle manga genre that DB fits into those are classic staples of the male action hero which are (somewhat unfortunately) less present in the women of that genre.

Just throwing this out there: Wuxia has quite a large, dense, rich history of tremendously ass-kicking female action hero characters. Yang Hui-Zen, Golden Swallow, Huang Rong, Xiao Long Nu, the Snake Sisters, Nie Yinniang, Lian Nichang, Yau Mo-Yan, Lady Ko, and on and on and on... the list of female martial artists who play central or otherwise instrumental active fighting roles as powerhouse warriors throughout the genre is ridiculously vast and long, and stretches surprisingly far, faaaaar back into the genre's incredibly old history.

For example Yun Ko, one of the earliest main central protagonists in a Wuxia movie from the silent film era, was a woman fighter who, if it wasn't for her heavily supernatural fighting style, otherwise wouldn't at all be the least bit out of place in Kill Bill. Hell, Dongfang Bubai, one of the most iconic Wuxia characters of all time (and utterly feared by every other character in the Smiling, Proud Wanderer series for her fearsome, lethal powers in combat), is technically transgender, and has thus historically ALWAYS been played by a female actress to reflect her femininity.

The genre typically tends to attract a pretty heavy female audience for a reason: you've got a wide assortment of strong, well-defined and fleshed out women characters across a vast, dense array of Wuxia books, films, comics, and TV shows, doing just as much of the superpowered kung fu ass-kicking as the men, and given just as much dramatic weight and gravitas to boot (sometimes more so). Dragon Ball, if anything, is kind of unusual among much of the genre in terms of how much of a sausage-fest its roster of active warriors typically is and thus how male-centric its fanbase often tends to be seen as (though to be sure, I've certainly come across my fair share of female DB fans over the years, and there have definitely been a fairly good number on this very forum throughout its time).

That either might have something to do with DB being made by a guy coming at things from much more a Japanese cultural perspective (not that China is any better than the rest of the world and hasn't had plenty of its own sexism in general of course: the particular reasons for how and why Wuxia specifically has managed for so many long years to dance around even some of the most narrow-minded, knuckle-dragging prevailing attitudes on women and genders within its own native culture is a whole, whoooooooole other and much more complicated topic unto itself, and its not like Wuxia is somehow completely free of any other forms of sexism sometimes popping up in OTHER areas either), or with Toriyama it might just simply be how it ended up shaking out just because that's how it ended up shaking out.

Fist of the North Star's gender dynamics, meanwhile, are SO overwhelmingly male-dominated (enough to make Dragon Ball look INSANELY balanced by comparison) that it may as well be coming from a whole other planet, at least when it comes to that specific issue. Its to a point where unlike with Dragon Ball (where Toriyama otherwise tends to treat a lot of his other, non-superpowered fighter female characters so well that there's enough wiggle room there to give him at least the benefit of the doubt) with Fist its UNQUESTIONABLY deliberate and in NO way incidental, and I'm at least reasonably sure that Hara and Buronson have at some point or other acknowledged and addressed that matter in some interview or other (in short: they're two old-school Japanese dudes with old fashioned, long out of date views on women).

For a MUCH better idea of how most of the genre as a broader whole tends to treat a lot of its female characters that can be found within a Wuxia-based Japanese Shonen anime/manga, Genkai from Yu Yu Hakusho is an excellent example.

[Bullza]

Well outside of his Grandma voice he has in the Japanese version....yeah I guess so. He's a muscular, brave, martial artist who beats the shit out of people.

[Cipher]

The manliest character is Chi-Chi. She protec but she also attac.

All other characters beta incels smfh.