Again, I'm not dismissing the reincarnation bit - what I'm referring to is them being the same character, which I do not believe.Kunzait_83 wrote:Again: after Raditz is killed, Kami tells Popo that when Piccolo (as Daimao) used to kill people, their souls would be trapped in limbo. Now when he kills, as with Raditz, their souls go to the afterlife. He is directly comparing and contrasting what happens when Piccolo used to kill people before with what happens when he kills them now. "He is no longer the Daimao of old." If he were truly 100% a totally different character from the outset, this fact would go without saying and not need to warrant a comparison. And that's just one example. Again, other characters (notably Kuririn, on multiple occasions) equate the actions of Daimao with the Ma Junior incarnation of Piccolo. Piccolo himself calls himself Piccolo Daimao not as a title, but in direct reference to his crimes and actions in the past.Michsi wrote:I've said this before, and the way I interpret it - and it is nothing more than a personal interpretation - is that 'Daimaou'/'Demon King' is more or less a title or position that Piccolo Jr. inherits along side his fathers memories and essence.
Put simply: the physical form is that of Daimao's son, but the spirit inside it is a mixture of Daimao himself and whatever mortal components of his son remains.
Thus, he's both Daimao as well as the son of Daimao. Its a little of column A and a little of column B.
I do remember that scene in the Saiyan arc, and it's a very interesting and telling scene, but it does little to explain the father/son/reincarnation bit. I write 'title/position', but I obviously know it's not a completely accurate analogy. They are both Piccolo, but are not the same Piccolo - if that makes any sense.
I myself have only seen the 23TB arc from Funi once or twice many years ago, and I remember them handling it like they were the same character, which annoyed me. I guess that was the reason they had Chris Sabat voice both King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr.Kunzait_83 wrote: That's not AT ALL how I remember the dub handling it. The dub more times than not TOTALLY side-steps the issue: most scenes where characters talk about Daimao and Ma Junior's relationship in the Japanese version, the dub will just have the characters talking about some other nonsense that's TOTALLY unrelated. Whenever the dub DID talk about them, they seemed to just dismiss Ma Junior as being the son of Daimao and that's that.
If there's a bit in the dub where they do acknowledge that Ma Junior and Daimao are the same, I certainly don't remember it at all. If someone here does remember it specifically, by all means feel free to chime in.