Net Neutrality is gone. How does that affect DragonBall?

[Professor Freeza]

Honestly, can anyone even think of a way it might harm DragonBall?

[VegettoEX]

The content of series itself? No, of course not.

The distribution of the series in all its forms? To essentially every other country in the world? Through all digital means? Even purchasing physical copies of items through digital storefronts? How can it not affect Dragon Ball, and literally every other aspect of the life of any given forum member reading this right now?

[precita]

So does that mean the simulcasts on Crunchyroll and FUNimation for Super will end?

[dbgtFO]

ISPs could charge more for Cruncyhroll for example, if I understand it properly.

[VegettoEX]

So does that mean the simulcasts on Crunchyroll and FUNimation for Super will end?

No. An extremely gross reduction of the issue with a hypothetical scenario:

You use Verizon for your internet service provider (ISP). With net neutrality gone, Verizon decides that they will begin offering internet service at various tiers of pricing. Under this new model, Crunchyroll (indeed, all streaming services) are flat-out blocked unless you pay for the highest-cost service tier.

However, in this hypothetical scenario, Verizon decides to further enter the content world and begins offering their own anime streaming service! Hurray, this service is free to all Verizon subscribers! Simultaneously, they massively and specifically throttle all other anime streaming providers, even at their highest tier of service, meaning the best you can ever get from them is a 240p video stream. Oh, and Verizon doesn't offer Dragon Ball Super on their own service. Oh, and all peer-to-peer traffic is blocked, so you can't even pirate it.

Also, you aren't paying for their highest tier of service, so Amazon is blocked, so you can't even order the Blu-rays. Also, your local Best Buy closed, and no other store in town has it.

Oh, and because you're not paying for the enterprise-level account, you also can't access any social media at all, so you can't ask your friends. Hope you have their phone number.

This isn't actually a pipe dream. This is coming soon.

[Michsi]

From what I understood it's not over yet and that acting like it is will do more harm.

[Professor Freeza]

So does that mean the simulcasts on Crunchyroll and FUNimation for Super will end?

No. An extremely gross reduction of the issue with a hypothetical scenario:

You use Verizon for your internet service provider (ISP). With net neutrality gone, Verizon decides that they will begin offering internet service at various tiers of pricing. Under this new model, Crunchyroll (indeed, all streaming services) are flat-out blocked unless you pay for the highest-cost service tier.

However, in this hypothetical scenario, Verizon decides to further enter the content world and begins offering their own anime streaming service! Hurray, this service is free to all Verizon subscribers! Simultaneously, they massively and specifically throttle all other anime streaming providers, even at their highest tier of service, meaning the best you can ever get from them is a 240p video stream. Oh, and Verizon doesn't offer Dragon Ball Super on their own service. Oh, and all peer-to-peer traffic is blocked, so you can't even pirate it.

Also, you aren't paying for their highest tier of service, so Amazon is blocked, so you can't even order the Blu-rays. Also, your local Best Buy closed, and no other store in town has it.

Oh, and because you're not paying for the enterprise-level account, you also can't access any social media at all, so you can't ask your friends. Hope you have their phone number.

This isn't actually a pipe dream. This is coming soon.

*SHRUGS*
Makes me thankful I'm not in USA. At least i will have the Japanese version..... which is what actually matters

[VegettoEX]

Thinking that this isn't already happening elsewhere in the world and won't spread even further, and somehow is isolated to dubs of a TV show, is extremely ignorant and/or naive.

Please, please, please folks: do some good, solid, long-form reading before shrugging over real-life issues.

[sintzu]

WA state are going to have their own Neutrality to ensure that things in that state remain the same so hopefully other states will do the same thing.

[Kanassa]

I don't fully understand what the Net Neutrality situation is all about, so... How fucked are we?

[sintzu]

I don't fully understand what the Net Neutrality situation is all about, so... How fucked are we?

You play online ? that's an additional fee on your normal bill.

You do a lot of streaming ? another fee.

You use social media ? a 4th fee.

You use netflix ? a 5th fee or a higher subscription for netflix.

You use crunchroll ? even more fees.

Some providors can get an exclusive deal with a company so if you want netflix it'll just work or work best on one providor.

In other words, the internet is going to be unusable for mid-low income people.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

How does this affect websites like Kanzenshuu? I assume that, the more well-known a website or online service is, the more likely it is that it'll be affected? Or am I wrong about that?

[sintzu]

How does this affect websites like Kanzenshuu? I assume that, the more well-known a website or online service is, the more likely it is that it'll be affected? Or am I wrong about that?

As far as I know that's how things will work.

[VegettoEX]

How does this affect websites like Kanzenshuu? I assume that, the more well-known a website or online service is, the more likely it is that it'll be affected? Or am I wrong about that?

No-one knows.

Your ISP may classify it under a "social" category due to the forum and its traffic. That may automatically place it in a higher-tiered access level, meaning you have to pay more to access the website, and there's absolutely nothing I would be able to do about it.

Or they could just block it entirely, and there's absolutely nothing I would be able to do about it.

[DragonBallKing]

Man fuck this, all because billion dollar companies want to charge you even more money for a resource that's unlimited.

Unless I'm just ill-informed and there is something at play here other than companies being even more greedy.

[sintzu]

Man fuck this, all because billion dollar companies want to charge you even more money for a resource that's unlimited.

Unless I'm just ill-informed and there is something at play here other than companies being even more greedy.

It's not just about $$$, these companies and rich people want to control what we read and talk about. Hollywood for example would be able to use this to block access to all their dirty laundry getting released to the public.

The internet played a major role in how the previous election went so for the time being, the republicans (they're the ones pushing for this as far as I know) want to make sure the internet is in their favor again in 2018 and 2020.

[TheGreatness25]

As far as I know, all of the aforementioned examples are possibilities, but not a given. I could be wrong, it's surprising how far out of my way I have to go to actually get real news on the subject instead of people on Facebook chatting about it. My regular news feeds that I use brush over the subject in broad strokes, so I could be ill-informed.

That doesn't mean that any of that will come to fruition. However, the problem is that it can, and that's just horrible. From my understanding, the internet moved from under the FCC and now put under the FTC, moving it from a "communication" to a "consumer product." So under the FTC, they have to inform us of all of the things that they are blocking us from. So hooray, I'll get a pop-up that says, "We no like that."

In the end, this is just another way for giant companies and their insanely rich investors, to control what we see on a daily basis.

It is not guaranteed that it would affect Dragon Ball in terms of being able to stream Crunchyroll or Funimation, but it can, which is already a scary thought. There's action looking to change this already, but as it stands now, it's another push to limit the common, everyday person. It's just amazing to see how virtually everyone is against it (from the looks of things) and it still managed to get by -- albeit by split decision. What's more interesting is the political spin that it got just like everything else. We all see it as a horrible thing and yet, FCC chairman Ajit Pai is saying how great this is for everyone. I fail to see the positives, but okay.

New York attorney general, Mr. Schneiderman, is looking to battle this outcome, and that's not the only backlash from this decision. So, we'll see how this gets pushed forward. Thankfully, we won't go gently into the good night.

I can see the rationale: we are using the ISPs, so kind of like any compay, they should be able to dictate how their product is shared. But, because the internet is such an integral part of our lives, it's outgrown that "I make the calls on what I wanna do!" phase.

If I got any of that wrong, or do not fully understand something, I'd be more than happy to be further informed and educated on the subject.

[sintzu]

Alongside WA, these are the states fighting against this :

California
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Kentucky
Maine
Mississippi
New York
North Carolina
Oregon
Vermont

That's 25% of the states so thankfully there's some kind of push back and hopefully more will join in. This has to go to Congress before it's completed so let's hope enough people sound their voices for this to get turned down.

My regular news feeds that I use brush over the subject in broad strokes, so I could be ill-informed.

That's because the people pushing this don't want everyone to know what's going on so they're acting like it doesn't exist even though it will change our lives if it fully goes through.

[Hellspawn28]

Alongside WA, these are the states fighting against this :

California
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Kentucky
Maine
Mississippi
New York
North Carolina
Oregon
Vermont

Maryland too. I did talk to the Congress Men near by me and they support free Internet. While the FCC voted, it will be several months before their Office of Management and Budget approves it, until then, the current rules remain in place. In the meantime, Congress can still overturn the vote with a majority. So, start e-mailing and calling your Congressmen and Women!

[majinwarman]

How does this affect websites like Kanzenshuu? I assume that, the more well-known a website or online service is, the more likely it is that it'll be affected? Or am I wrong about that?

No-one knows.

Your ISP may classify it under a "social" category due to the forum and its traffic. That may automatically place it in a higher-tiered access level, meaning you have to pay more to access the website, and there's absolutely nothing I would be able to do about it.

Or they could just block it entirely, and there's absolutely nothing I would be able to do about it.

Are you not still worried for this website though? This could be something that could have huge effects on the future of this site and forum.