Old artstyle vs New Artstyle 2.0

[JazzMazz]

Some poor quality expression sheets came out for the film. Even though they are low quality, I think I'm already falling in love with them, as you can already see how lively everything looks and we even get some unique angles in their(for example, that birds eye view shot of SSB Goku is extremely rare, so its fantastic to see it actually be given a place on the design sheets for animators to reference). Can't wait for a HD version.

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[Lord Beerus]

I can't wait for the new wave of Gogeta merch.

You don't have to wait for long.

[JazzMazz]

Found some higher quality versions of parts of the expression sheets.

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These are looking so good, I love them.

EDIT: Closier look at them.

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For reference, here's a comparison between the Yamamuro expression sheets and the new Broly sheets for Goku.

[Shaddy]

God, there's so many classic faces in there, I fucking love them. Dragon Ball looks more like Dragon Ball now than it has since before I was born, it's such a god damned upgrade.

[KBABZ]

I'm not really a fan of Goku showing up on Earth already in Saiyan armour (not to mention reversing his savage side on first arrival), but that one drawing of him just looking at the viewer with an odd expression is just spot, on.

[JazzMazz]

I think its interesting to see that Shintani has picked up Toriyama's traits and feature placement a bit better since the full body shot was revealed.

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I think people who are saying Shintani's Goku isn't really Goku enough really don't have that much of a leg to stand on anymore(considering now his traits are almost 1:1).

Anyway, dropping this here as well to sort of demonstrate how on-point the expression sheets are for Goku.



Would people agree with this analysis?

[Sani007]

These are beautiful! Before Shintani arrived, I didn't noticed how bad was Yamamuro.

[KBABZ]

These are beautiful! Before Shintani arrived, I didn't noticed how bad was Yamamuro.

Yamamuro definitely has a neat quality to it, but it's rigid geometry look doesn't leave a lot of room for the types of intense expressions that Dragon Ball often demands of the animations and drawings.

[Attitudefan]

I like Shintani's new poster well enough, but his style is a bit inconsistent to me. Sometimes it's a bit too soft and round, and other times like the design sheets it looks more angular and more appealing to me.

These eyes are actually more in line with Toriyama's style. Most of you who think it looks off are just too used to Yamamuro's style which is sharper. Toriyama always drew the closed in eyes, especially for Goku, having more vertical space just as drawn here in the poster since Goku first became Super Saiyan.

Just saying.

[Metalwario64]

These eyes are actually more in line with Toriyama's style. Most of you who think it looks off are just too used to Yamamuro's style which is sharper. Toriyama always drew the closed in eyes, especially for Goku, having more vertical space just as drawn here in the poster since Goku first became Super Saiyan.

Just saying.

Classic Toriyama's eyes are a bit softer, and spaced further apart, along with the nose and mouth being lower on the face, both of which makes the character look older and more intimidating:


Also, his modern style has the eyes slightly rounded out on the bottom too, and they're still just as far apart.

These eyes are a bit too big and close together, and it gives me a little bit of an old-school Mega Man X Inafune art vibe:


Either way, the face doesn't much look like the design sheets, and the shading is off too, so it's not my favorite Shintani piece of art. Having the eyes, nose and mouth closer together makes the character look younger and softer in my eyes.

[Metalwario64]

Here's an edit to the Gogeta image with the Maeda style (and I directly based it on this screenshot):



Was the aforementioned shot done by Masaki Sato? I know he did the Super Saiyan transformation, but I don't know if he also did the following shots of Goku. I guess it could also be Nakatsuru, but I don't know what to look for to tell them apart.

Ide is the only Junio animator I could tell apart from the others, since he always had exaggerated expressions.

[jjgp1112]

That shot was definitely Sato. His stuff always has really detailed line work.

Also I think you placed the features just a tad too low and too big

[Metalwario64]

I literally overlaid the screenshot and brightened it so that I could just use the outlines as a base, redrew the mouth to be a smirk, then I colored it in.

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I think the lighting makes it look that way, though.

Raising and shrinking the nose and mouth slightly does look a bit better tough, and is more in line with the rest of Sato and Junio as a whole's work:

[Ajay]

I don't have any real issue with the original poster, but holy crap, it's nice to finally see an edit that isn't a total fucking dumpster fire that totally ignores the entire intent of the new art style.

Would like to see that edit with the original shading in tact, though. Not a huge fan of the intense shading in the center of the face when the light is coming from below.

[Metalwario64]

I don't have any real issue with the original poster, but holy crap, it's nice to finally see an edit that isn't a total fucking dumpster fire that totally ignores the entire intent of the new art style.

Would like to see that edit with the original shading in tact, though. Not a huge fan of the intense shading in the center of the face when the light is coming from below.

Here you go:


With the lighting I was trying to continue the same type of shading that the forehead had, and the same kind of middle-of-face shading in Z whenever a character was glowing.

I think it looks fine without it with this Sato style though.

Also, sorry if you were referring to my previous Yamamuro edit. It was mostly for fun, and while I do aesthetically prefer Takahashi keeping the Buu-era Yamamuro designs alive, I still like Shintani's designs a lot, and I understand them being both closer to Toriyama's modern style, as well as being easier to animate. I just mostly didn't like the spacing between the eyes, the height off the eyes and the overly round mouth. I felt it didn't quite match Shintani's other designs perfectly. I don't think it's "terrible", just "off".

A bad piece of art trying to follow the movie's designs would be this one:

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[Baggie_Saiyan]

My favourite piece of promo art for Gogeta I love this soooooo much!

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Couple months ago we had art for old Gogeta night and day how much better this is.

Even shit promo artisit is doing decent with these designs. I sincerely hope this is the new look for DB from now on. It seems everyone is benefiting from them.

[Metalwario64]

My favourite piece of promo art for Gogeta I love this soooooo much!

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Couple months ago we had art for old Gogeta night and day how much better this is.

Even shit promo artisit is doing decent with these designs. I sincerely hope this is the new look for DB from now on. It seems everyone is benefiting from them.

I actually really like that previous art too. It captures the old Yamamuro designs better than any other modern official promo art has.

The promo art as a whole has definitely improved though. I'm back to being able to enjoy the artwork being released like the old days.

[Ajay]

Also, sorry if you were referring to my previous Yamamuro edit. It was mostly for fun, and while I do aesthetically prefer Takahashi keeping the Buu-era Yamamuro designs alive, I still like Shintani's designs a lot, and I understand them being both closer to Toriyama's modern style, as well as being easier to animate. I just mostly didn't like the spacing between the eyes, the height off the eyes and the overly round mouth. I felt it didn't quite match Shintani's other designs perfectly. I don't think it's "terrible", just "off".

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't even realise you'd done a Yamamuro edit. I was just referring to the endless redraws I've seen on Twitter over the past few days that were either super ugly or just ancient in their approach.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

My favourite piece of promo art for Gogeta I love this soooooo much!

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Couple months ago we had art for old Gogeta night and day how much better this is.

Even shit promo artisit is doing decent with these designs. I sincerely hope this is the new look for DB from now on. It seems everyone is benefiting from them.

I actually really like that previous art too. It captures the old Yamamuro designs better than any other modern official promo art has.

The promo art as a whole has definitely improved though. I'm back to being able to enjoy the artwork being released like the old days.

Indeed! It feels so nice. Like the UDM arts were the only things I'd be looking forward once good promo artisit took them over. But unfortunately that was all s/he got to do until last couple of months when they took over Ichiban Kuji art duties and were also on stuff like the metallic sheets (Bandai will be releasing some early December so more art to look forward too!)

[Metalwario64]

My final edit: straight up classic Yamamuro Gogeta, done with the same method as my Sato one by overlaying a screenshot and modifying it so that it's as exact as possible:


Also, comes complete with the classic widow's peak.

Also, tweaked the Sato one with the widow's peak from the design sheets: