Vijay wrote:emperior wrote:Vijay wrote:
I'd appreciate more artistic emphasize on Goku's face & muscle tone. Sorry to say, but even 10 year old could portray an energetic & enthusiastic Goku with minimal effort. The teaser gave shock of my life to the point I imagined Uchiyama Masayuki came back to life teamin up with Ebisawa Yukio cuz the art & animation certainly looked like that.
As casual fan, I am not expecting glossy, glitzy animation. Just use Boo Arc/BOG/ROF design. If movements are stiff, simply loosen-up as in Frieza/Cell Arcs.
Goku in ROF looked great. Handsome, boyish yet charming.
Its just battle sequences lacked tension & coherence one associates with DB battles. Apart from that, action choreography was cool.
Goku in the latest teaser looked like lanky 16 year old teenager suffered TB for 10 years. Especially considering his total loss of muscle mass & jawline
Are you guys blind or what?
First of all, Goku in the teaser doesn't look anything like it was drawn by Ebisawa or Uchiyama. Not at all. And the animation in the trailer is actually very nice.
Second, Goku's posture is perfect in Shintani's design: he is relaxed and well proportioned, while Yamamuro's design had Goku off-balance in a rigid and small body. Honestly it's not even subjective, Shintani's design as far as the body goes is realistic and anatomically accurate while Yamamuro's isn't.
You want stiff movements to loosen up? Then you need animators to ignore the designs. Naoki Tate did so in Super and he got hate by the majority of the ignorant fanbase. Animators who followed the models ended up producing stiff animation just for the sheer fact the models were stiff, so being on-model = being stiff.
As for muscle mass, that's an actual subjective taste. I personally love the less detailed muscle tone like we used to have in Maeda's work and in Toriyama's manga up to the end of Namek arc, but I can understand how some fans are used to the very detailed muscles we saw in later designs.
Surely less detailed muscles mean that animators can provide looser animation, which for me is a huge bonus.
And I'm sorry to say, but a 10 years old can't portray Goku in the way he was portrayed in the movie's teaser. You can't too. Not even with maximum effort. But feel free to try and animate a better teaser than the one Onishi animated for the movie. If a 10 years old can do with minimal effort you should too. Unless you are 9 years old, at which point I would tell you to wait 1 year before trying.
Dude, no need to take this personal. You mark fluid animation, which makes you appreciate TB Goku from teaser (despite Uchiyama & Ebisawa-esque artistic detail) Whats up with your attempt to play mind-games with me using "if 10 year old could, then you should too" like wannabe Youtube keyboard warrior. Chill!
Dont give me Naoki Tate. What bout Yuya Takahashi? Or Shida? Those guys craft splendid animation with excellent artistic appeal.
If all your looking for is fluidity, then I suspect if you've even watched DBZ & its 13 films. Shimanuki Mashahiro, Hizada Kazuya, Shida, Yamamuro & several others focus on intensity of every blow without sacrificing art or details one bit. Now DATS called 1st class animation which SHOULD'VE been incorporated in the upcoming films.
Super's 30 seconds blurring fist "atatatatatata" with lack of details syndrome might have caught-up with some section of fanbase, but consider me as reasonable fanboy who takes everything with a grain of salt.
Goku is a universe-saving fighter. Not L (DN) or Chrollo (HXH). Ripping-off all of his muscle mass gives very emaciated, Christian Bale-esque physique from The Machinist. I'd understand if your talkin about 23rd TB-Saiyan Arc Goku who was still a teenager moving into fatherhood. Its post-Boo/BOG/ROF-era Goku who has faced God-like beings for christ sake...
Look at Goku's face in the teaser. Looks like Ash Ketchum waay back before he even met Pikachu.
Now, dont go calling me "retard" or "hater" just cuz I bash the art in the teaser. I merely pointed out aspects which I wish were improved or at least did not get "regressed" as far as Ash-Ketchum
My SSJ Goku & Future Trunks drawings when I was 10 as Z was on-going in my country would give Shintani a run for his money.
I would like to see your super good drawings that would give Shintani, the man who was personally chosen by Toriyama, a run for his money. You must be Toriyama’s one and only successor if as a 10 years old you were even better than the professional who, I repeat, Toriyama personally chose among other professionals to handle the designs of his movie.