Man of Steels fight scenes were inspired by DBZ

[Yuli Ban]

(Don't make me start breaking out the gifs again)

1: Aren't all the gifs in that thread broken? Whenever I view the thread, they never show up.
2: I could have sworn that shooting energy balls and flying around is more xianxia than wuxia. Wuxia is more "Dragon Ball episodes 1-30" and once energy attacks/ki control and demons and transformations start becoming more common, it becomes xianxia.
Like, if wuxia is "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" or "The Mark of Zorro", xianxia is "Jonah Hex" or "Cowboys & Aliens".

[Kunzait_83]

(Don't make me start breaking out the gifs again)

1: Aren't all the gifs in that thread broken? Whenever I view the thread, they never show up.
2: I could have sworn that shooting energy balls and flying around is more xianxia than wuxia. Wuxia is more "Dragon Ball episodes 1-30" and once energy attacks/ki control and demons and transformations start becoming more common, it becomes xianxia.
Like, if wuxia is "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" or "The Mark of Zorro", xianxia is "Jonah Hex" or "Cowboys & Aliens".

1) Yeah, most of those gifs are unfortunately broken. At some point or other, I was going to post a revised "2.0" version of the Wuxia thread with expanded upon content and a few new subsections about various related topics along with actual working links; but that's still in the works until who knows when.

2) Xianxia, to the best of my knowledge at least, is a term that's come more into prominence in much more recent years. Wuxia has generally been the catch-all term for Chinese fantasy martial arts stories (of a broad variety, including ones that today would be labeled as more Xianxia) since at least the mid-ish 1800s or so. I'm not 100% on how exactly far back the term Xianxia dates, but I know its much more recent than that, and its prominence in use within contemporary fandom is still pretty new-ish.

If we go by that distinction though, then yes, latter DB and DBZ/GT/Super are much more within the Xianxia realm, while earlier DB is more closer to straight Wuxia (though even then, we had the Kamehameha, the Kintoun, and various supernatural creatures in the mix right from almost moment one). And "classical" Wuxia is not without its fair share of outlandish displays of Ki control and paranormal entities as well.

Ultimately though, they're two sub-categories within the same general umbrella, and stories/myths that fit within both subheadings go back many centuries before either term was invented to describe them. The distinction between them can still be somewhat hazy at times (Jin Yong/Louis Cha's work, for example, is generally still described as Wuxia, even though much of its content is as over the top as anything found in stuff that's more classified as Xianxia), which is partly why I didn't delve into it the first go-round.

I'm probably going to go into this very topic though within the revised/expanded Wuxia thread (whenever the hell I get done with that: real life's gotten a lot more hectically busy on my end since I originally cooked up the first one). Initially creating that thread from the ground-up in the first place was a colossal undertaking in itself: with most of the heavy lifting already done now, its a lot simpler for me to flesh out certain areas more and add/tweak things around the edges as I see fit, and elaborate on certain things I didn't get the chance to the first time around.

Oh and by the way, I meant to respond to a couple of them in other threads awhile back, but just want to quickly point out that your posts here are awesome and some of my new favorites.

[EnergizerConvoy]

Imagine we get a Dragon Ball Influenced Justice League cartoon thanks to this. Even with Chris Sabat as General Zod.

Superman vs General Zod definitely felt like a typical fight from Z, so I'm glad that it was actually confirmed by the storyboard artist from the film that he was influenced by it.

It's funny, cause that Dragon Ball Z 4D short film that came out a couple of years ago had shots that looked like they were ripped straight out of Man of Steel.

How about that character Nam-Ek? Does the name ring a bell to a certain home planet.

[8000 Saiyan]

Imagine we get a Dragon Ball Influenced Justice League cartoon thanks to this. Even with Chris Sabat as General Zod.

It'll never happen.

[Bullza]

How about that character Nam-Ek? Does the name ring a bell to a certain home planet.

He's actually been around since the 70's.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Nam-Ek_(Earth-One)

[KBABZ]

How about that character Nam-Ek? Does the name ring a bell to a certain home planet.

He's actually been around since the 70's.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Nam-Ek_(Earth-One)

To further add, Namek is a pun on the Japanese word "namekuji" or "slug". Aside from the Daimao line, all Namekians have a snail or slug name/name pun.

[EnergizerConvoy]

He's actually been around since the 70's.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Nam-Ek_(Earth-One)

Yeah that's what I mean. The tall Kryptonian that MOS had.

To further add, Namek is a pun on the Japanese word "namekuji" or "slug". Aside from the Daimao line, all Namekians have a snail or slug name/name pun.

And Namekians doesn't even have a Penis.

[KinguKurimuzon]

And yet the Superman movie couldn't take a page from DBZ and take the fight out of the damned city.

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And yet the Superman movie couldn't take a page from DBZ and take the fight out of the damned city.

Zod's goal was to murder people, he's trying to keep it in the city, unlike DB where the bad guy will go along with the hero's choice to take the fight elsewhere. Besides, DB has had fights in populated areas. My issue isn't with the fight in the city per say, it's Superman either taking fights to populated areas or the movie doesn't convey him TRYING to take the fight elsewhere.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

And yet the Superman movie couldn't take a page from DBZ and take the fight out of the damned city.

Zod's goal was to murder people, he's trying to keep it in the city, unlike DB where the bad guy will go along with the hero's choice to take the fight elsewhere. Besides, DB has had fights in populated areas. My issue isn't with the fight in the city per say, it's Superman either taking fights to populated areas or the movie doesn't convey him TRYING to take the fight elsewhere.

That always bothered me about DB that villains were so easily swayed like that.

Also Superman literally took the fight in space doesn't get much less populated then that.

[Hawk9211]

And yet the Superman movie couldn't take a page from DBZ and take the fight out of the damned city.

Zod's goal was to murder people, he's trying to keep it in the city, unlike DB where the bad guy will go along with the hero's choice to take the fight elsewhere. Besides, DB has had fights in populated areas. My issue isn't with the fight in the city per say, it's Superman either taking fights to populated areas or the movie doesn't convey him TRYING to take the fight elsewhere.

That always bothered me about DB that villains were so easily swayed like that.

Also Superman literally took the fight in space doesn't get much less populated then that.

Cell and buu also wanted to have fun,so they went along.

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Cell and buu also wanted to have fun,so they went along.

When did Buu go along with it?

At least Cell has Goku's competitive streak, so that explains why he would go along with it.

[Kunzait_83]

When did Buu go along with it?

At least Cell has Goku's competitive streak, so that explains why he would go along with it.

Boo when he'd absorbed Piccolo, Gotenks, and later Gohan, ended up basically becoming more or less a similar kind of "evil martial artist out to challenge himself" type of villain as with Cell, as he'd taken in the personality traits of all three (technically four) warriors. Even Super Boo was more or less BARELY held in check by the promise of an interesting challenge to his power during the whole Room of Spirit and Time fight with Gotenks.

The point is made later on (forget by whom: might've been Old Kaioshin maybe?) that having SOME vestige of intelligence was the main thing reigning Boo in from just wiping out all of existence right then and there and keeping him playing around for the fun and sport of it. Its only once he's distilled down to his "purest" form as Kid Boo that he then becomes a raw force of nature/rampaging mindless monster that's only out to erase everything. And even THEN, Goku and Vegeta are able to draw his attention over to the Kaioshin realm by the sheer, overwhelming force of their Ki, attracting Boo to them by playing on a kind of "sniff out the biggest, strongest threat to your dominance" type of raw, animalistic, primal instinct in the creature.

[ABED]

When did Buu go along with it?

At least Cell has Goku's competitive streak, so that explains why he would go along with it.

Boo when he'd absorbed Piccolo, Gotenks, and later Gohan, ended up basically becoming more or less a similar kind of "evil martial artist out to challenge himself" type of villain as with Cell, as he'd taken in the personality traits of all three (technically four) warriors. Even Super Boo was more or less BARELY held in check by the promise of an interesting challenge to his power during the whole Room of Spirit and Time fight with Gotenks.

The point is made later on (forget by whom: might've been Old Kaioshin maybe?) that having SOME vestige of intelligence was the main thing reigning Boo in from just wiping out all of existence right then and there and keeping him playing around for the fun and sport of it. Its only once he's distilled down to his "purest" form as Kid Boo that he then becomes a raw force of nature/rampaging mindless monster that's only out to erase everything. And even THEN, Goku and Vegeta are able to draw his attention over to the Kaioshin realm by the sheer, overwhelming force of their Ki, attracting Boo to them by playing on a kind of "sniff out the biggest, strongest threat to your dominance" type of raw, animalistic, primal instinct in the creature.

Thanks, man. I anticipated some of the examples you gave and was going to disagree but after dwelling on it for a sec, I realized any counter-argument would've been a distinction without a difference.

[Yuli Ban]

(Don't make me start breaking out the gifs again)

1) Yeah, most of those gifs are unfortunately broken. At some point or other, I was going to post a revised "2.0" version of the Wuxia thread with expanded upon content and a few new subsections about various related topics along with actual working links; but that's still in the works until who knows when.

2) Xianxia, to the best of my knowledge at least, is a term that's come more into prominence in much more recent years. Wuxia has generally been the catch-all term for Chinese fantasy martial arts stories (of a broad variety, including ones that today would be labeled as more Xianxia) since at least the mid-ish 1800s or so. I'm not 100% on how exactly far back the term Xianxia dates, but I know its much more recent than that, and its prominence in use within contemporary fandom is still pretty new-ish.

If we go by that distinction though, then yes, latter DB and DBZ/GT/Super are much more within the Xianxia realm, while earlier DB is more closer to straight Wuxia (though even then, we had the Kamehameha, the Kintoun, and various supernatural creatures in the mix right from almost moment one). And "classical" Wuxia is not without its fair share of outlandish displays of Ki control and paranormal entities as well.

Ultimately though, they're two sub-categories within the same general umbrella, and stories/myths that fit within both subheadings go back many centuries before either term was invented to describe them. The distinction between them can still be somewhat hazy at times (Jin Yong/Louis Cha's work, for example, is generally still described as Wuxia, even though much of its content is as over the top as anything found in stuff that's more classified as Xianxia), which is partly why I didn't delve into it the first go-round.

I'm probably going to go into this very topic though within the revised/expanded Wuxia thread (whenever the hell I get done with that: real life's gotten a lot more hectically busy on my end since I originally cooked up the first one). Initially creating that thread from the ground-up in the first place was a colossal undertaking in itself: with most of the heavy lifting already done now, its a lot simpler for me to flesh out certain areas more and add/tweak things around the edges as I see fit, and elaborate on certain things I didn't get the chance to the first time around.

Oh and by the way, I meant to respond to a couple of them in other threads awhile back, but just want to quickly point out that your posts here are awesome and some of my new favorites.

1: Hey, thanks!

2: I realized after the fact that xianxia is a bit different than what I was describing. I was thinking of xuanhuan.

And yet the Superman movie couldn't take a page from DBZ and take the fight out of the damned city.

Zod's goal was to murder people, he's trying to keep it in the city, unlike DB where the bad guy will go along with the hero's choice to take the fight elsewhere. Besides, DB has had fights in populated areas. My issue isn't with the fight in the city per say, it's Superman either taking fights to populated areas or the movie doesn't convey him TRYING to take the fight elsewhere.

That always bothered me about DB that villains were so easily swayed like that.

Also Superman literally took the fight in space doesn't get much less populated then that.

Actually, I don't recall anyone really going along with it.
When Goku asked to move the fight out of Sasebo, #20 destroyed much of the city instead and only humored him after the fact because he didn't really care where they fought. By that point, most of the inhabitants were dead anyway so it was more to have an unclustered battleground.
Piccolo was able to get the artificial humans away from Kame House mostly by way of promising a better fight on uninhabited islands.
Cell also chose the battleground for the Cell Games.
As for Boo, Goku deliberately tried leading Boo away from the city during the battle itself rather than asking to move the fight beforehand. And the next time they met, well I don't really need to mention what had already happened to the Earth's inhabitants!

The only other instance of Goku trying to keep a fight away from a city was in movie 7. At least, as far as I remember.
In all other situations, the battles either already took place in unpopulated areas or the city was already devastated anyway so there was no point moving the fight.

I think our perception that the Zetto Senshi were able to get villains away from populated areas is mostly just us filling in the blanks of our memories after extrapolating from two major incidents. That's actually a biological quirk of ours, something we can't really help. If something happens once, that could be a fluke, but if it happens twice, that's a pattern you can use to paint events that didn't actually happen.

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Where'd you get the idea that most of the city inhabitants were dead?

[Kunzait_83]

(Don't make me start breaking out the gifs again)

1: Aren't all the gifs in that thread broken? Whenever I view the thread, they never show up.

1) Yeah, most of those gifs are unfortunately broken. At some point or other, I was going to post a revised "2.0" version of the Wuxia thread with expanded upon content and a few new subsections about various related topics along with actual working links; but that's still in the works until who knows when.

Speak of the devil: just a few days after this exchange, the image and gif links in the Wuxia thread are now once more, miraculously, all working again! Apparently Photobucket recently lifted their premium "pay-to-play" barrier on hosted images. So that's very good news for the thread in question.

For anyone who has yet to do so, go check it out and give it a read (now with working images and gifs for much better context).

That said, the revamped 2.0 version of it is still forthcoming... at some point. Eventually.

[KBABZ]

For anyone who has yet to do so, go check it out and give it a read (now with working images and gifs for much better context).

I actually read most of that to get a good idea of the gameplay tenents that should be in the hypothetical open-world Dragon Ball hunt game. Not that that game would ever happen, but it was still fun!

[Yuli Ban]

Where'd you get the idea that most of the city inhabitants were dead?

Mostly context since it was said that #20 had destroyed much of the city.

Unless, of course, it was Sunday

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Where'd you get the idea that most of the city inhabitants were dead?

Mostly context since it was said that #20 had destroyed much of the city.

Unless, of course, it was Sunday

Based on what I saw, He partially destroyed a few buildings, but the city was mostly in tact. It wasn't even close to the damage caused to Metropolis. Goku convinced got him to leave before they did in fact destroy most if not all of the city.