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If that's a beginning, middle, end, then everything is an arc. There's no conflict except with Uub, but that's barely a conflict. Those final episodes are just wrapping the story up.
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Re: Your top 10 favorite story arcs in the DB franchise
...*Raises hand*ABED wrote:You don't even need to knock one to raise the other. The Saiyan arc was Toriyama at the top of his game, and I think that's universally recognized in the fandom.PFM18 wrote:Yeah I really don't think so lol. The Buu Arc is trash compared to the Saiyan Arc.ABED wrote: Really? You think people prefer the Buu arc to the Saiyan arc?
I rank the Boo arc at #8, and the Saiyan arc at #15. For reference, I put the Afterlife tournament at #13, Black-Star Dragon Ball arc at #14, the Baby arc at #16, and the U6 tournament arc at #17...
Saiyan arc is good, but the fights drag, and it's heavily overshadowed by the Piccolo/23rd Tenkaichi and Namek/Freeza arcs.
Honestly, I consider the Saiyan arc to be one of the key points that showed signs of Toriyama beginning to falter.
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the fights drag in the Saiyan Arc? the arc was super short! Maybe the individual fights were a bit longer but if anything drags it is the entire Buu Arc. It is SO damn long.Robo4900 wrote:...*Raises hand*ABED wrote:You don't even need to knock one to raise the other. The Saiyan arc was Toriyama at the top of his game, and I think that's universally recognized in the fandom.PFM18 wrote:
Yeah I really don't think so lol. The Buu Arc is trash compared to the Saiyan Arc.
I rank the Boo arc at #8, and the Saiyan arc at #15. For reference, I put the Afterlife tournament at #13, Black-Star Dragon Ball arc at #14, the Baby arc at #16, and the U6 tournament arc at #17...
Saiyan arc is good, but the fights drag, and it's heavily overshadowed by the Piccolo/23rd Tenkaichi and Namek/Freeza arcs.
Honestly, I consider the Saiyan arc to be one of the key points that showed signs of Toriyama beginning to falter.
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Re: Your top 10 favorite story arcs in the DB franchise
The Freeza fight is the definition of drag. I like it, but it's longer than entire seasons of US network TV. The only fight I could think that actually drags in the Saiyan arc is Nappa battle, but I'll take that any day over most of the Buu arc fights and pretty much any Cell arc battle. The last two arcs of Z drag a lot. The Buu arc is weird in that it drags even though it feels like Toriyama rushes things.
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The Freeza fights problem was detailed pretty well by Gaffer Tape: Freeza can transform whenever he wants so it feels really pointless when the protagonists start getting an edge since he can heal himself by changing again. A lot of the pre-Goku vs Freeza stuff feels very superfluous because of this. Adding in a bit of risk to Freeza himself where his bad ki control leaves him vulnerable when he needs to change would've added a nice dynamic where both the heroes and the villain have to play cat and mouse to gain an edge with one another.
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Regarding his transformations, I don't think it's pointless, but Toriyama played that tune a few too many times.ekrolo2 wrote:The Freeza fights problem was detailed pretty well by Gaffer Tape: Freeza can transform whenever he wants so it feels really pointless when the protagonists start getting an edge since he can heal himself by changing again. A lot of the pre-Goku vs Freeza stuff feels very superfluous because of this. Adding in a bit of risk to Freeza himself where his bad ki control leaves him vulnerable when he needs to change would've added a nice dynamic where both the heroes and the villain have to play cat and mouse to gain an edge with one another.
Freeza is already leaving himself vulnerable by being in his weaker forms. It takes time for him to transform leaving himself vulnerable to attack, but it's the kind of story where the good guys let the bad guys transform.
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Long does not mean draggy.PFM18 wrote:the fights drag in the Saiyan Arc? the arc was super short! Maybe the individual fights were a bit longer but if anything drags it is the entire Buu Arc. It is SO damn long.Robo4900 wrote:...*Raises hand*ABED wrote: You don't even need to knock one to raise the other. The Saiyan arc was Toriyama at the top of his game, and I think that's universally recognized in the fandom.
I rank the Boo arc at #8, and the Saiyan arc at #15. For reference, I put the Afterlife tournament at #13, Black-Star Dragon Ball arc at #14, the Baby arc at #16, and the U6 tournament arc at #17...
Saiyan arc is good, but the fights drag, and it's heavily overshadowed by the Piccolo/23rd Tenkaichi and Namek/Freeza arcs.
Honestly, I consider the Saiyan arc to be one of the key points that showed signs of Toriyama beginning to falter.
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Not necessarily, but in both cases, they absolutely do drag. The Gotenks fight is long and goes pretty much nowhere. Same with when Gohan returns. The episodes where Cell arrives on the island to become perfect takes forever to get through.Long does not mean draggy.
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Re: Your top 10 favorite story arcs in the DB franchise
1. Red Ribbon Army
2. Saiyan Arc
3. Namek Arc
4. Piccolo Daimao arc
5. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
6. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc
7. 22rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
8. Androids arc
9. Buu arc
10. Baby arc or Future Trunks arc
2. Saiyan Arc
3. Namek Arc
4. Piccolo Daimao arc
5. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
6. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc
7. 22rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
8. Androids arc
9. Buu arc
10. Baby arc or Future Trunks arc
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The ToP didn't even make your top 10?ConfusedPhantom wrote:1. Red Ribbon Army
2. Saiyan Arc
3. Namek Arc
4. Piccolo Daimao arc
5. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
6. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc
7. 22rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
8. Androids arc
9. Buu arc
10. Baby arc or Future Trunks arc
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The Tournament of Power is all spectacle. While there is aspects I liked about it (Ultra Instinct, how they beat Jiren, who won the tourney, the concepts for the fighters, etc), the plot is very underdeveloped and barebones. There would've been an interesting story to tell with Goku being the cause of it, but it goes nowhere and they just forgot about it. There's no consequence. And, I don't really buy the whole "there's a bigger problem at hand" type of deal, because the plot never really goes to that place to even warrant that. Everyone's still going after Goku. Each episode is just another conclusion. They took too long to figure out what to do with Jiren for him to be interesting. More than half of the Vegeta stuff was the same awful speech. I could go on. Many others have said it. It didn't do much for me. -shrug-PFM18 wrote:The ToP didn't even make your top 10?ConfusedPhantom wrote:1. Red Ribbon Army
2. Saiyan Arc
3. Namek Arc
4. Piccolo Daimao arc
5. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
6. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc
7. 22rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
8. Androids arc
9. Buu arc
10. Baby arc or Future Trunks arc
The best thing it did is open doors for better animated Dragon Ball again. I just wish it came with a better story.
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It really is a shame that they didn't go anywhere with Goku being the cause of it. Toppo and Bergamo calling him evil for causing it could have lead somewhere very interesting but they kind of dropped it once the tournament started. It is a huge lost opportunity. To me, it is just the lost opportunity that keeps it from being #1 rather than pushing it out of the top 10 listConfusedPhantom wrote:The Tournament of Power is all spectacle. While there is aspects I liked about it (Ultra Instinct, how they beat Jiren, who won the tourney, the concepts for the fighters, etc), the plot is very underdeveloped and barebones. There would've been an interesting story to tell with Goku being the cause of it, but it goes nowhere and they just forgot about it. There's no consequence. And, I don't really buy the whole "there's a bigger problem at hand" type of deal, because the plot never really goes to that place to even warrant that. Everyone's still going after Goku. Each episode is just another conclusion. They took too long to figure out what to do with Jiren for him to be interesting. More than half of the Vegeta stuff was the same awful speech. I could go on. Many others have said it. It didn't do much for me. -shrug-PFM18 wrote:The ToP didn't even make your top 10?ConfusedPhantom wrote:1. Red Ribbon Army
2. Saiyan Arc
3. Namek Arc
4. Piccolo Daimao arc
5. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
6. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc
7. 22rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
8. Androids arc
9. Buu arc
10. Baby arc or Future Trunks arc
The best thing it did is open doors for better animated Dragon Ball again. I just wish it came with a better story.
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I know you're not asking me, but if I may interject, while I don't know if enough time has passed for me to accurately place things from Super, if I was forced to, ToP would not only fail to make my top ten, it would undoubtedly land at the very bottom of my list. And it would be exactly for the reasons enumerated above.PFM18 wrote: The ToP didn't even make your top 10?
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Same here. I consider ToP (anime version) to be not only the worst DBS arc, but also worst DB arc overall.Gaffer Tape wrote:I know you're not asking me, but if I may interject, while I don't know if enough time has passed for me to accurately place things from Super, if I was forced to, ToP would not only fail to make my top ten, it would undoubtedly land at the very bottom of my list. And it would be exactly for the reasons enumerated above.PFM18 wrote: The ToP didn't even make your top 10?
Golden Frieza, Super 17 and Garlic Jr arcs are very good compared to ToP. That was the worst disaster i ever saw and the only arc in DB i couldn't finish and decided to skip almost all of it. It's the only saga in DB i can rate 0/10 and have no regrets.
Manga version is a lot better for now. Not wasting so much time for forgettable characters no one care about.
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We get it you hate Super and love GT. Frankly, if you can finish any arc in GT but can't finish the ToP I have to question your sanity.sunsetshimmer wrote:Same here. I consider ToP (anime version) to be not only the worst DBS arc, but also worst DB arc overall.Gaffer Tape wrote:I know you're not asking me, but if I may interject, while I don't know if enough time has passed for me to accurately place things from Super, if I was forced to, ToP would not only fail to make my top ten, it would undoubtedly land at the very bottom of my list. And it would be exactly for the reasons enumerated above.PFM18 wrote: The ToP didn't even make your top 10?
Golden Frieza, Super 17 and Garlic Jr arcs are very good compared to ToP. That was the worst disaster i ever saw and the only arc in DB i couldn't finish and decided to skip almost all of it. It's the only saga in DB i can rate 0/10 and have no regrets.
Manga version is a lot better for now. Not wasting so much time for forgettable characters no one care about.
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Lol it hurt you, did it? I could say the same about your sanity since you watch DBS. It's no difference. There is no fact about GT being worse than Super or vice versa. There isn't even a fact that DBZ is better than any of other series despite people believing it to be a fact. It's not. It never was and it will never be a fact.PFM18 wrote:We get it you hate Super and love GT. Frankly, if you can finish any arc in GT but can't finish the ToP I have to question your sanity.sunsetshimmer wrote:Same here. I consider ToP (anime version) to be not only the worst DBS arc, but also worst DB arc overall.Gaffer Tape wrote:
I know you're not asking me, but if I may interject, while I don't know if enough time has passed for me to accurately place things from Super, if I was forced to, ToP would not only fail to make my top ten, it would undoubtedly land at the very bottom of my list. And it would be exactly for the reasons enumerated above.
Golden Frieza, Super 17 and Garlic Jr arcs are very good compared to ToP. That was the worst disaster i ever saw and the only arc in DB i couldn't finish and decided to skip almost all of it. It's the only saga in DB i can rate 0/10 and have no regrets.
Manga version is a lot better for now. Not wasting so much time for forgettable characters no one care about.
And of course i can finish any GT arc, because they have something that ToP doesn't have - ANY story and main villain with ANY personality. Even Super 17 arc has those.
Also, i said that it makes Super 17 arc look like a very good arc. It means that without ToP it is NOT very good arc.
Although honestly most of DBS make Super 17 arc to look decent at least, without DBS it isn't a good arc. It just has badass villain and that's all.
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Re: Your top 10 favorite story arcs in the DB franchise
ABED wrote:If that's a beginning, middle, end, then everything is an arc. There's no conflict except with Uub, but that's barely a conflict. Those final episodes are just wrapping the story up.
I know, I wasn't being serious with that part of the post, which is why I put the at the end.
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Why not? The Saiyan arc had outdated animation and bad artstyle, no Super Saiyans, no flashy transformations, Vegeta doesn't hold a candle to Boo when we compare both as villains. Also the Boo arc had Kikuchi on his peak with very memorable soundtracks.ABED wrote:Really? You think most people prefer the Buu arc to the Saiyan arc?
Interesting, how is your opinion about GT in general?Gaffer Tape wrote:If I may interject, while I don't know if enough time has passed for me to accurately place things from Super, if I was forced to, ToP would not only fail to make my top ten, it would undoubtedly land at the very bottom of my list. And it would be exactly for the reasons enumerated above.
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The Saiyan arc's animation isn't any more outdated than the Buu arc. In fact it has some of the best animation in all of DB. I wasn't a fan of the Vegeta is a far more interesting villain than Buu, and the fights in the Saiyan arc are among the best in the entire manga and anime. Flashy transformations lose their effect quickly and had long since passed the point of diminishing marginal returns by the Buu arc. Meh about Kikuchi's score in the Buu arc. It's okay, but I'm not as big a fan of his revamped score.jeffbr92 wrote:Why not? The Saiyan arc had outdated animation and bad artstyle, no Super Saiyans, no flashy transformations, Vegeta doesn't hold a candle to Boo when we compare both as villains. Also the Boo arc had Kikuchi on his peak with very memorable soundtracks.ABED wrote:Really? You think most people prefer the Buu arc to the Saiyan arc?
Interesting, how is your opinion about GT in general?Gaffer Tape wrote:If I may interject, while I don't know if enough time has passed for me to accurately place things from Super, if I was forced to, ToP would not only fail to make my top ten, it would undoubtedly land at the very bottom of my list. And it would be exactly for the reasons enumerated above.
The Buu arc is TOO god damn long!
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Re: Your top 10 favorite story arcs in the DB franchise
1. Androids
2. 22nd Budokai
3. Future Trunks
4. Baby
5. 23rd Budokai
6. Tournament of Destroyers
7. Black Star Dragon Balls
8. King Piccolo
9. Shadow Dragons
10. Saiyans
Future Trunks arc used to be pretty low, but I don't know if it's because I rewatched it in dub or just had a different feeling watching it in one sitting, but I enjoyed it a lot more than my first viewing. The ending is still bittersweet and quite unsatisfying, but I wasn't bored out of my mind like in most arcs about halfway through. It's probably English Dub Zamasu that made it so good for me lol
2. 22nd Budokai
3. Future Trunks
4. Baby
5. 23rd Budokai
6. Tournament of Destroyers
7. Black Star Dragon Balls
8. King Piccolo
9. Shadow Dragons
10. Saiyans
Future Trunks arc used to be pretty low, but I don't know if it's because I rewatched it in dub or just had a different feeling watching it in one sitting, but I enjoyed it a lot more than my first viewing. The ending is still bittersweet and quite unsatisfying, but I wasn't bored out of my mind like in most arcs about halfway through. It's probably English Dub Zamasu that made it so good for me lol
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