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Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by clutchins » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:18 pm

This is a thread for discussion of any of the rare English dubs of Dragon Ball that have yet to be (edit: fully) preserved.

Some key omissions in the canon include:
-The Speedy Video dub of Dragon Ball Z eps. 1-12?, released on VCD in Malaysia (eps. 7-8 available)
-The AB Groupe "Big Green" dub of the original three Dragon Ball movies and the Dragon Ball GT TV Special, aired edited for TV on Toonami UK ca. mid-2000s
-The Creative Products Corps. dub of Dragon Ball Z movies 5 and 6, released in the Philippines on VHS and possibly VCD titled "The Greatest Rivals" - there is a very low quality rip of this available should you want to see this, but this discussion focuses on locating the VHS tape
-The Solar Home Entertainment dub of Dragon Ball Z movies 10 and 11, released in the Philippines on VHS and VCD titled "Dragon Ball Z: The Movie" - there is an encode of the VCD floating around
-The Harmony Gold dub of Dragon Ball eps 1-5?, aired ca. 1989 in US
-The Frontier Enterprises dub of Dragon Ball eps 1-153 and Dragon Ball Z eps. 1-?, aired ca. mid-2000s? in HK

I know I'm missing some so please don't hesitate to fill in those gaps for me.
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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by Danfun64 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:23 pm

clutchins wrote:-The Creative Products Corps. dub of Dragon Ball Z movies 5 and 6, released in the Philippines on VHS and possibly VCD titled "The Greatest Rivals"
-The Solar Home Entertainment dub of Dragon Ball Z movies 10 and 11, released in the Philippines on VHS and VCD titled "Dragon Ball Z: The Movie"
They've technically been preserved, even if the former was only preserved in bad quality and the latter... well.....

Anyways, not including in your list are the Phillipino English dubs of the DB and DBZ series, and the Animax dub of DB.
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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by clutchins » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:24 pm

Danfun64 wrote:
clutchins wrote:-The Creative Products Corps. dub of Dragon Ball Z movies 5 and 6, released in the Philippines on VHS and possibly VCD titled "The Greatest Rivals"
-The Solar Home Entertainment dub of Dragon Ball Z movies 10 and 11, released in the Philippines on VHS and VCD titled "Dragon Ball Z: The Movie"
They've technically been preserved, even if the former was only preserved in bad quality and the latter... well.....
Ha, yeah. I'm talking new preservations for those two items
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JacobYBM wrote:
Original Thread Topic wrote:Did Dragon Ball ever motivate you to exercise?
No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.

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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by clutchins » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:39 pm

Danfun64 wrote:Anyways, not including in your list are the Phillipino English dubs of the DB and DBZ series, and the Animax dub of DB.
How long did those run for?
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
JacobYBM wrote:
Original Thread Topic wrote:Did Dragon Ball ever motivate you to exercise?
No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.

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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by Tian » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:37 pm

Man, I wonder how many unknown English dubs of DB are awaiting to be discovered. This franchise had its English dubs produced in Canada, France, Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia, Philippines and USA. Maybe someday we'll find an English dub made in Singapore or in New Zealand with British voice actors using an Australian accent. :lol:

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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by Nightmare Wheel » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:40 am

There is an English dub of something, I don't know what, for the original Dragon Ball by Japanese company Frontier Enterprises, who did some dubs for the Lupin III movies. It's only known to exist because actor Richard Nieskins, AKA Dick Host, had it listed on his LinkedIn at one point in time. Unfortunately said LinkedIn page appears to have been deleted and no footage has ever surfaced.

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Post by Tian » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:13 am

Nightmare Wheel wrote:There is an English dub of something, I don't know what, for the original Dragon Ball by Japanese company Frontier Enterprises, who did some dubs for the Lupin III movies. It's only known to exist because actor Richard Nieskins, AKA Dick Host, had it listed on his LinkedIn at one point in time. Unfortunately said LinkedIn page appears to have been deleted and no footage has ever surfaced.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dickhostvo
One of the possible reasons of no footage existing may be that the dub was only shown in international flights. Some Frontier dubs were shown that way.

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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by Robo4900 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:30 pm

clutchins wrote:
Danfun64 wrote:Anyways, not including in your list are the Phillipino English dubs of the DB and DBZ series, and the Animax dub of DB.
How long did those run for?
As I understand it, all of DB was covered, and some portion of DBZ was covered. This is where Songs Of A High-Spirited Saga originated from.
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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by Nightmare Wheel » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:00 pm

Robo4900 wrote:
clutchins wrote:
Danfun64 wrote:Anyways, not including in your list are the Phillipino English dubs of the DB and DBZ series, and the Animax dub of DB.
How long did those run for?
As I understand it, all of DB was covered, and some portion of DBZ was covered. This is where Songs Of A High-Spirited Saga originated from.
Actor Dave Bridges, voice of older Goku and others, states in this interview that the Animax dub did all of Dragon Ball, but never touched Z.
http://mackymart.blogspot.com/2008/03/i ... d.html?m=1

This is the relevant quote, "Right. This one's easy. It'd have to be the later Dragonball chronicles as Goku. I only got to play him for a few episodes as he was a little kid for most of the series we did and was played by Andrea."

I can't find a source on it at the moment, but if memory serves the Filipino dub got through all of Dragon Ball and most of Z before being unexpectedly cancelled near the end.

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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by Robo4900 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:30 pm

Nightmare Wheel wrote:
Robo4900 wrote:
clutchins wrote: How long did those run for?
As I understand it, all of DB was covered, and some portion of DBZ was covered. This is where Songs Of A High-Spirited Saga originated from.
Actor Dave Bridges, voice of older Goku and others, states in this interview that the Animax dub did all of Dragon Ball, but never touched Z.
http://mackymart.blogspot.com/2008/03/i ... d.html?m=1

This is the relevant quote, "Right. This one's easy. It'd have to be the later Dragonball chronicles as Goku. I only got to play him for a few episodes as he was a little kid for most of the series we did and was played by Andrea."

I can't find a source on it at the moment, but if memory serves the Filipino dub got through all of Dragon Ball and most of Z before being unexpectedly cancelled near the end.
Yeah. Sorry, I meant the Filipino dub. I assumed the Animax dub was just DB, but the entirety of it; I really hope the Animax dub gets out some day. Maybe an actor has a copy of an episode or two they can leak. :lol:

Anyway, not covered in this thread so far is:
AB Groupe/Ocean's dub of Dragon Ball Z, covering episodes 123-291(108-276 in TV numbering). Even piracy is unlikely to yield decent recordings online, though thankfully the whole run is covered.
AB Groupe/Blue Water's dub of Dragon Ball GT, covering all 64 episodes. I've met some people who are interested in trading for good Z recordings, but for GT, that doesn't appear to be the case.
AB Groupe/Blue Water's dub of Dragon Ball, covering all 153 episodes. Even worse than GT; one single source has lead to all available rips of this dub, and two episodes are missing from it.

??? (Possibly Toei)/Ocean/Blue Water's dub of Dragon Ball Z Kai, covering all 98 episodes. "Wow TV" looks to be trying to pick it up to air when the channel goes live(Channel has approval from the CRTC, so it's on the way). Sending emails to Toei of America asking them to give Ocean's dub of Kai to Wow TV is your best bet to help out with getting this aired(And make sure you be very clear that it must be Ocean's dub).

Funimation's in-house dubs of DB, Z, and GT in their originally-aired forms. The modern DVDs of Z are full of redubs, and are missing a handful of lines, and the oldschool DVD singles were the uncut version, but with most of the recaps and previews missing(Aside from GT, which included all the recaps/previews, but only with the replacement score), and some of Dale Kelly's narrations for Z are missing too, and the start/end points of the first few episodes of Z after they went in-house are different from the TV version. So, we're missing the TV edits of all 3 series, aswell as many recaps and previews which only aired on TV.

Funimation's in-house dubs of Kai TFC and Super in their TV edited forms. No caps of these whatsoever. Their TV edit of Kai 1.0 is in a bit of a sore spot too, with its only caps available using MP3 audio at 128kbps or lower, with some heavy dynamic range compression; it is available, at least, but it is desperately in need of a proper preservation.
clutchins wrote:-The AB Groupe "Big Green" dub of the original three Dragon Ball movies and the Dragon Ball GT TV Special, aired edited for TV on Toonami UK ca. mid-2000s
-The Creative Products Corps. dub of Dragon Ball Z movies 5 and 6, released in the Philippines on VHS and possibly VCD titled "The Greatest Rivals"
-The Solar Home Entertainment dub of Dragon Ball Z movies 10 and 11, released in the Philippines on VHS and VCD titled "Dragon Ball Z: The Movie"
-The Harmony Gold dub of Dragon Ball eps 1-5?, aired ca. 1989 in US
It's worth noting that the Big Green airings of the movies we already have from the DVD releases may be different edits, so it's possible we're missing some Big Green TV edits in addition to totally missing the three OG DB movies and the GT special.
The Creative Products Corp. dubs of DBZ movies 5 and 6 do have rips available, but the quality on them is the worst quality I've ever seen on a digital video file, so a new rip is desperately needed.
The Solar Entertainment dub has been found from the VCD mentioned, but the only rip available uses fairly low-bitrate encoding using AAC and AVC. It's possible a really good rip from the VHS may provide better audio than a direct stream copy of the VCD, but it's hard to know at this time.
Harmony Gold is pretty much confirmed to have dubbed episodes 1-5, and to have scripted up to about episodes 40 or 50 IIRC.
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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

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Robo4900 wrote: Yeah. Sorry, I meant the Filipino dub. I assumed the Animax dub was just DB, but the entirety of it; I really hope the Animax dub gets out some day. Maybe an actor has a copy of an episode or two they can leak. :lol:
I remember one of the voice actors uploaded a clip but it was REALLY short though...
https://youtu.be/5eTVLvvWlys (the clip plays around 0:36)

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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by Robo4900 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:42 pm

Tian wrote:
Robo4900 wrote: Yeah. Sorry, I meant the Filipino dub. I assumed the Animax dub was just DB, but the entirety of it; I really hope the Animax dub gets out some day. Maybe an actor has a copy of an episode or two they can leak. :lol:
I remember one of the voice actors uploaded a clip but it was REALLY short though...
https://youtu.be/5eTVLvvWlys (the clip plays around 0:36)
Yeah, I've seen that. I just wish it was a longer clip; those kung-fu sounds are pretty fun.

I wonder if that actor would be willing to leak a full episode. :lol:
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Post by gokaiblue » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:06 am

I had no idea they had an animax dub of Dragon Ball. It might be better than Funimation's....
Looking for these rare items/information:

Any information or recordings pertaining to Dragon Ball Z's syndicated run on WAWB
Any information regarding the stations that carried the origin Dragon Ball in the USA
Dragon Box (any deals would be nice)
Shonen Jumps with Dragon Ball in them

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Post by DrBriefsCat » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:22 pm

Nightmare Wheel wrote:There is an English dub of something, I don't know what, for the original Dragon Ball by Japanese company Frontier Enterprises, who did some dubs for the Lupin III movies. It's only known to exist because actor Richard Nieskins, AKA Dick Host, had it listed on his LinkedIn at one point in time. Unfortunately said LinkedIn page appears to have been deleted and no footage has ever surfaced.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dickhostvo
Even if Frontier did make a dub of Dragon Ball at some point, there would be a low possibility of a copy still existing. Dubs from that studio seem to have preservation issues. The Lupin III dub only exists today because of fan-copies and an abridged Italian DVD release, which is what Discotek used for the US DVD. Similar dubs recorded in Japan and Hong Kong from the '80s have had to be pulled off commercially-released VHS tapes. The Dragon Ball dub went unreleased.

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Post by Robo4900 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:29 am

gokaiblue wrote:I had no idea they had an animax dub of Dragon Ball. It might be better than Funimation's....
No idea. All I know is that one of the actors from it put a tiny clip in a voice reel he did in 2007, and in the comments said "[...] what seems like moons ago, I worked on a team of dubbers in Hong Kong and one of the anime series we voiced was Dragonball. I played Tenshinhan and Lord Piccolo. It was a really hoot, and we had a great time. I believe this series aired on a channel in Asia called Animax."

I'd really love to see this dub get out somehow. If any of you can point me to an email address or something I can reach out to, or perhaps if you know someone in Hong Kong or anywhere else in Asia who might have seen Dragon Ball around the time this dub would have gone out(Probably early or mid '00s), please say something!! Even a short clip at the beginning of a tape recorded of another show from someone who used to live in Asia and hasn't kept their tapes well so the quality's a mess would be an absolute godsend IMO. A complete dub of OG Dragon Ball that's never been seen aside from some TV airings somewhere in Asia would be incredible to see getting spread around online. :D
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Post by clutchins » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:01 pm

Robo4900 wrote: Anyway, not covered in this thread so far is:
AB Groupe/Ocean's dub of Dragon Ball Z, covering episodes 123-291(108-276 in TV numbering). Even piracy is unlikely to yield decent recordings online, though thankfully the whole run is covered.
AB Groupe/Blue Water's dub of Dragon Ball GT, covering all 64 episodes. I've met some people who are interested in trading for good Z recordings, but for GT, that doesn't appear to be the case.
AB Groupe/Blue Water's dub of Dragon Ball, covering all 153 episodes. Even worse than GT; one single source has lead to all available rips of this dub, and two episodes are missing from it.
I mean, we can already watch the vast majority of those things. I'm just trying to limit the scope of discussion to just the things nobody seems to have found or shared yet.
??? (Possibly Toei)/Ocean/Blue Water's dub of Dragon Ball Z Kai, covering all 98 episodes. "Wow TV" looks to be trying to pick it up to air when the channel goes live(Channel has approval from the CRTC, so it's on the way). Sending emails to Toei of America asking them to give Ocean's dub of Kai to Wow TV is your best bet to help out with getting this aired(And make sure you be very clear that it must be Ocean's dub).
This doesn't count since it technically doesn't exist... yet.
Funimation's in-house dubs of DB, Z, and GT in their originally-aired forms. The modern DVDs of Z are full of redubs, and are missing a handful of lines, and the oldschool DVD singles were the uncut version, but with most of the recaps and previews missing(Aside from GT, which included all the recaps/previews, but only with the replacement score), and some of Dale Kelly's narrations for Z are missing too, and the start/end points of the first few episodes of Z after they went in-house are different from the TV version. So, we're missing the TV edits of all 3 series, aswell as many recaps and previews which only aired on TV.
Again, this is something that we actually have a lot of already intact, especially Z in spades. I know we don't have all of DB or GT, but there is a good chunk available out there on VHS and some recordings on myspleen and such too, although maybe not so much for GT.
Funimation's in-house dubs of Kai TFC and Super in their TV edited forms. No caps of these whatsoever. Their TV edit of Kai 1.0 is in a bit of a sore spot too, with its only caps available using MP3 audio at 128kbps or lower, with some heavy dynamic range compression; it is available, at least, but it is desperately in need of a proper preservation.
Kai is another thing we already have a source for, albeit quite lowres I'll give you that.

Super ya got me on, but I didn't think it aired edited in the US anyway.
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JacobYBM wrote:
Original Thread Topic wrote:Did Dragon Ball ever motivate you to exercise?
No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.

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Re: Missing rare English dubs thread

Post by Robo4900 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:08 pm

clutchins wrote:
Robo4900 wrote:[DB, Z, GT Canadian dubs]
I mean, we can already watch the vast majority of those things. I'm just trying to limit the scope of discussion to just the things nobody seems to have found or shared yet.
I guess... The thing is, there are episodes of Blue Water's Dragon Ball that don't circulate at all. I believe it's episodes 71 and 124. But even the ones in existence for all the Canadian dubs are of very poor quality, so it's worth mentioning.
clutchins wrote:
[Ocean Kai]
This doesn't count since it technically doesn't exist... yet.
It exists, it just hasn't aired yet.
But, point taken.
clutchins wrote:
[Funi in-house cut DB, Z, GT]
Again, this is something that we actually have a lot of already intact, especially Z in spades. I know we don't have all of DB or GT, but there is a good chunk available out there on VHS and some recordings on myspleen and such too, although maybe not so much for GT.
I have never seen a single episode of Funi's OG DB edited dub online. Not even a clip. So this, at the very least, is entirely un-represented online in my experience.
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[Funi in-house Kai, TFC, Super]
Kai is another thing we already have a source for, albeit quite lowres I'll give you that.
Super ya got me on, but I didn't think it aired edited in the US anyway.
Well, I thought I'd mention Kai 1.0 anyway because of its poor quality, but yeah, TFC and Super are the main point there.
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Post by 90sDBZ » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:09 pm

Robo4900 wrote:It's worth noting that the Big Green airings of the movies we already have from the DVD releases may be different edits, so it's possible we're missing some Big Green TV edits in addition to totally missing the three OG DB movies and the GT special.
The Big Green movies actually aired completely uncut on Toonami UK, although they used a different Opening/Ending to the DVD releases. While the DVD releases use an instrumental version of Head Cha La with Japanese text, the TV broadcasts used a shortened version of the actual song with English Text. And while the DVD release used the actual movie endings without the vocals, the TV broadcasts for Z movies 1-9 and the 2 specials used a short clip from the Head Cha La intro video with an extremely short version of the corresponding movie ending song playing over it.

I actually used to have the Big Green version of the 3 DB movies and the GT special recorded on VHS off Toonami UK from Summer 05. I'm not a fan of that dub, but If I'd known that they'd end up being "Lost" I might have avoided taping over them as I believe any dub that has some fans should be accessible in some form regardless of quality.

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Post by Robo4900 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:37 pm

90sDBZ wrote:The Big Green movies actually aired completely uncut on Toonami UK, although they used a different Opening/Ending to the DVD releases. While the DVD releases use an instrumental version of Head Cha La with Japanese text, the TV broadcasts used a shortened version of the actual song with English Text. And while the DVD release used the actual movie endings without the vocals, the TV broadcasts for Z movies 1-9 and the 2 specials used a short clip from the Head Cha La intro video with an extremely short version of the corresponding movie ending song playing over it.

I actually used to have the Big Green version of the 3 DB movies and the GT special recorded on VHS off Toonami UK from Summer 05. I'm not a fan of that dub, but If I'd known that they'd end up being "Lost" I might have avoided taping over them as I believe any dub that has some fans should be accessible in some form regardless of quality.
Damn, that is a shame. Thanks for the details, though. :)

Worth noting: There is one additional difference between the DVDs and the Toonami airings -- a few of the movies had different titles("In Pursuit Of Garlic" on DVD, "The Dead Zone" on Toonami). If you happen to have any Big Green stuff left, I do suggest trying to get that ripped and preserved, since there may be other minor differences in the video presentation. At the very least, it'd be interesting to see if the on-screen title in the movies with different titles matches the Toonami advertising, or the DVD release.
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