Dragon Ball Movies HD Remaster - Amazon Video/Netflix Japan - Discussion Thread

[DHM211]

Did Toei actually DVNR the blu-ray release of the movies?

[superrayman3]

Did Toei actually DVNR the blu-ray release of the movies?

If screenshots from different media players are yielding similar results then it's highly possible although why they would bother to go through the trouble makes little sense since everything was already finished from the start and adding more DVNR would just add more time and money for them.

[DHM211]

Did Toei actually DVNR the blu-ray release of the movies?

If screenshots from different media players are yielding similar results then it's highly possible although why they would bother to go through the trouble makes little sense since everything was already finished from the start and adding more DVNR would just add more time and money for them.

I would agree with you but some of his screenshots seem to have had a sharpening filter placed on them.
Blu-ray

Amazon(color corrected):

[Bruma rabu]

Depends. What media player are you using? VLC has some issues and actually alters the image in colour and makes banding more visible.

My friend here posted a little "guide" to making the best screenshots:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... count=2502

I was using mpc-hc

I just checked the amazon version and your picture definetally seems softer.
Yours:

Amazon rip:

I think the blu ray looks sharper than the Amazon one

[DHM211]

I was using mpc-hc

I just checked the amazon version and your picture definetally seems softer.
Yours:

Amazon rip:

I think the blu ray looks sharper than the Amazon one

It's artifical sharpness. Here, I'll edit the amazon one the same way that toei did for the blu-ray.
Amazon Sharpened(with grain)

Amazon Sharpened(without grain)

The 2nd one looks almost exactly like the blu-ray.

[JohnnyCashKami]

Uhh, why does Goku look like he's "dropping" his Kamehameha charge??

Spoiler:

Kinda looks like an Angry Kamehame-Ha!

[Bruma rabu]

It's artifical sharpness. Here, I'll edit the amazon one the same way that toei did for the blu-ray.

Oh I see

[jaisonas]

This is a bit worrying. Movie 5 looks like an upscale rather than a fresh transfer of a 35mm movie. And the colors and bad sharpening remind me of the buu kai quality. I hope the rest of the movies aint that bad.
The amazon rip of movie 6 isnt really grained, its more of a digital noise tbf. Though yea the bluray has been dnr'd. I dont know why toei would do this, have some movies looking great and some others looking differently. My hopes of a good series blu-ray have started disappearing.
Post more screenshots of the good movies to calm me down please

[sangofe]

They were using footage from the Bardock special and probally didnt want to rescan it.

That and the fact that 16mm will ALWAYS look softer than 35mm due to the detail difference between the two film stocks, there's just no getting around that unless Toei actually retained all of the original raw elements for the Bardock special (cels for the backgrounds, characters and objects etc...) before they were shot to film which they probably didn't.

No wonder... Toei will always remain cheap...

This is a bit worrying. Movie 5 looks like an upscale rather than a fresh transfer of a 35mm movie. And the colors and bad sharpening remind me of the buu kai quality. I hope the rest of the movies aint that bad.
The amazon rip of movie 6 isnt really grained, its more of a digital noise tbf. Though yea the bluray has been dnr'd. I dont know why toei would do this, have some movies looking great and some others looking differently. My hopes of a good series blu-ray have started disappearing.
Post more screenshots of the good movies to calm me down please

No, it's a scan from a 16 mm film (from the bardock special according to DHM211 here) for the last 5 minutes...

[Robo4900]

So, it looks like the BDs are DNR'd and sharpened. So, the Amazon rips are actually somewhat superior. Great job, Toei.

Still, aside from Z movie 5, they're not too bad. And definitely better than Funi's releaes; while they have similar problems, it's to a far lesser extent, and without the overcontrasting, etc., and they include good audio, so It's still a solid release, just not the slice of perfection we were all hoping for. And, of course, foreign releases may end up using the Amazon masters instead of the BD masters. We'll just have to hope and see.

[DHM211]

God damn it Toei, you almost gave us a perfect DB release. All you had to do was color correct a few films for their blu-ray release and everything would have been perfect. But instead, you decided to Japanese Kai Buu saga massacre this release by DVNRing it and Sharping it.

[Gdugz]

I have watched just the first movie on blu ray and thought it looked fantastic. Miles better than the funi blu rays and still better than the dragon box. I have ordered the rest that are available and I'm kinda disappointed by the screenshots of movie 5 as I quite like that movie

[JohnnyCashKami]

No wonder... Toei will always remain cheap...

So, it looks like the BDs are DNR'd and sharpened. So, the Amazon rips are actually somewhat superior. Great job, Toei.

God damn it Toei, you almost gave us a perfect DB release. All you had to do was color correct a few films for their blu-ray release and everything would have been perfect. But instead, you decided to Japanese Kai Buu saga massacre this release by DVNRing it and Sharping it.

Come on, dudes. At least it's way better than FUNimation's remasters and actually looks pretty darn good so even though they kinda fucked up, it's not that bad. I'm just going to wait for FUNimation to release it with English subs on Blu-ray.

I can see why some are hoping FUNi would do a re-dub but realistically, they probably won't. Most of them dubs are OK and do its job, if anyone wants an absolute authentic experience then watch in its original Japanese audio.

[DHM211]

No wonder... Toei will always remain cheap...

So, it looks like the BDs are DNR'd and sharpened. So, the Amazon rips are actually somewhat superior. Great job, Toei.

God damn it Toei, you almost gave us a perfect DB release. All you had to do was color correct a few films for their blu-ray release and everything would have been perfect. But instead, you decided to Japanese Kai Buu saga massacre this release by DVNRing it and Sharping it.

Come on, dudes. At least it's way better than FUNimation's remasters and actually looks pretty darn good so even though they kinda fucked up, it's not that bad. I'm just going to wait for FUNimation to release it with English subs on Blu-ray.
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I'm not settling for one pile of shit that smells slightly better than the other pile of shit. If Funi released these I was gonna buy them but if Funi uses Toei's blu-ray version I won't.

At least Toei released the phenomenal version of these remasters digitally.

[Forte224]

Yeah it's still early, but these screenshots have killed my hype a little bit. My Dragon Boxes will do just fine. My wallet will thank me anyhow.

[Luso Saiyan]

So, it looks like the BDs are DNR'd and sharpened. So, the Amazon rips are actually somewhat superior.

Amazon's is full of compression artifacts and macroblocking. It's not superior.

[JohnnyCashKami]

Amazon's is full of compression artifacts and macroblocking. It's not superior.

That's a given. Digital streaming services compress their content in some way so it's never as good as the retail Blu-ray release is. TOEI's DBZ Movie Blu-rays have their flaws but it's still a beautiful remaster which I'm going to rewatch so that I can see DBZ remastered properly in glorious HD.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Yeah, I reckon whenever these get a western release I'll definitely be picking up movies 1-5, but going to wait to see how the rest turn out. Also, I urge anyone who is a fan of the Pioneer trilogy to let Sabat know we want them as additional audio tracks for the Funi release.

Still, aside from Z movie 5, they're not too bad. And definitely better than Funi's releaes

Lets just hope if the rumours of TOEI doing the TV series is true they'll do that justice. It'll still be hard to do a worse job of Z than Funimation did, and DB and GT seriously need a Blu-Ray release (although I'll take any remaster thats superior to any of the DVD releases due to Blu-Ray's durability).

[JohnnyCashKami]

Yeah, I reckon whenever these get a western release I'll definitely be picking up movies 1-5, but going to wait to see how the rest turn out. Also, I urge anyone who is a fan of the Pioneer trilogy to let Sabat know we want them as additional audio tracks for the Funi release.

FUNimation didn't include the Ocean Dub on the first three Double Feature movies which were on Blu-ray so seems unlikely they'll do it now, either. It'd be awesome if they did.

Blu-Ray's durability).

The durability of a product depends on its owner and how he takes care of the product, or lack thereof. I've always kept my Blu-rays, DVDs and CDs in pristine condition and they work as new. If you scratch the disc and expect it to work afterwards then that's your own fault, buddy.

Yes, Blu-rays and HD-DVDs are more durable than DVDs but you also have to account how you handle it, or mishandle it.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Blu-Ray's durability).

The durability of a product depends on its owner and how he takes care of the product, or lack thereof. I've always kept my Blu-rays, DVDs and CDs in pristine condition and they work as new. If you scratch the disc and expect it to work afterwards then that's your own fault, buddy.

Yes, Blu-rays and HD-DVDs are more durable than DVDs but you also have to account how you handle it, or mishandle it.

I too, keep all my Blu-Rays, DVDs and CDs in pristine condition. I'm actually the only one in my house who can do that consistently and without fail, so I keep the titles I love and my all time favourite music artists in my room. I like the durability aspect just in the unlikely event anyone else ever mishandles my discs.