Dragon Ball Movies HD Remaster - Amazon Video/Netflix Japan - Discussion Thread

[jaisonas]

Master != mastering. Dont mix them up.
They do come from the same master, however not from the same mastering.

[Scavenger]

Official statement re: censorship
https://www.toei-video.co.jp/info/info190125/

Toei is offering a refund or a new jacket. The original jacket incorrectly mentioned that the works were presented as they were originally created. There will be no replacement program for the disc.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Oh dear Toei actually used the children excuse....

[sangofe]

Official statement re: censorship
https://www.toei-video.co.jp/info/info190125/

Toei is offering a refund or a new jacket. The original jacket incorrectly mentioned that the works were presented as they were originally created. There will be no replacement program for the disc.

Refund for censoring? Can someone translate this?

[VegettoEX]

Refund for censoring? Can someone translate this?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2019/01/25/to ... scription/

[jaisonas]

Now to wait the apology for that greenish tint and dnr they added

[sangofe]

Refund for censoring? Can someone translate this?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2019/01/25/to ... scription/

So they are keeping the censoring, but giving people a chance to get their movie back because of the lies? Sounds great for future home releases!

[coola]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intere ... on/.142636
I love one of comments "Think of the children - censoring home release most likely only hardcome adult fan is gonna get, left streaming version, which kids more likely gonna watch, uncensored."

While it is nice they at least give refund, i hope its gonna flop, and less people gonna buy it, censorship is always bad.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

I have saod it once and i'll say it again, that this arbitrary censorship is absolutely ludicrous because Toei certainly had no issues with the films' content prior to this release. But now they apparently are caving to the pansies who are worried that it will corrupt children and all that BS when said release is not even geared towards that age group, this whole middle finger removal is something nearly on the level of the kinds of ridiculous mandated edits that Saban made FUNimation do back in 1996 (digital painting, censor stars.etc) in order to broadcast it on TV. Simply put, their logic on this makes no sense to me because kids are not the primary aim of the franchise as it is mostly the 20 to 30 somethings who grew up with it back in the '90s and not the younger children audience of today. I mean really, kids aren't the ones who are buying these expensive Blu-Rays so their reasoning really doesn't make a single lick of sense to me. The fact that what was inside the case are edited versions when the original, uncensored versions that was misleading and nearly amounts to false advertising with promising something that isn't actually on the discs.

That whole thing of the "consideration of influence on children" is the most silliest thing i have ever heard, so come on don't they realize just who it is that are more likely to purchase these???

[Robo4900]

I don't think the demographic matters; a middle finger isn't going to corrupt a child's brain. At worst, they'll ask their parents what it means, the parents explain it's a rude hand gesture that the child should not make, and that's that.

Obviously, it's just a preventative measure in case a parent complains to Toei and raises a ruckus. Toei have become quite censor-happy in the past several years.

'Course, the censorship isn't all it is; remember, there's the altering of the animation on Piccolo in the first Broly movie. It's not just censorship, it's historical revisionism; bending history to meet Toei's modern convenience.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

I don't think the demographic matters; a middle finger isn't going to corrupt a child's brain. At worst, they'll ask their parents what it means, the parents explain it's a rude hand gesture that the child should not make, and that's that.

Obviously, it's just a preventative measure in case a parent complains to Toei and raises a ruckus. Toei have become quite censor-happy in the past several years.

'Course, the censorship isn't all it is; remember, there's the altering of the animation on Piccolo in the first Broly movie. It's not just censorship, it's historical revisionism; bending history to meet Toei's modern convenience.

I get what you mean, it's just i had heard that in Japan the bird flipping gesture isn't regarded as offensive and taboo a gesture as much as it seems to be here unless i am mistaken given the numerous instances it appears in the DB manga and anime. Considering how here most of the time on reality shows or otherwise here they will blur or pixelate/block someone's middle finger when it does happen, same as how most all uses of swearing and such will be bleeped or muted out due to the stricter censor standards that TV companies here in the States under the FCC enforce. I was more taken off guard at first by the fact they are doing it now but thinking about it i'm so not surprised, given the amount of things they did with editing content in DBZ Kai due to it's earlier Sunday morning time slot compared to DBZ's original broadcast on Wednesday evenings. They went out of their way to cover up scenes of nudity like the clip of little Goku from the Bardock special or any part where Gohan is nude with his junk visible after he transforms back from being an Oozaru, and not to mention the obvious editing of blood and wounds like when Raditz then Goku is run through by Piccolo's Makankosappo beam.

Personally, the movie 8 animation correction on Piccolo'a hand isn't a huge issue in my eyes but still doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't have been done in the first place. These movies were made in the era before this kind of digital editing technology was even a thing.

[Luso Saiyan]

remember, there's the altering of the animation on Piccolo in the first Broly movie. It's not just censorship, it's historical revisionism; bending history to meet Toei's modern convenience.

No, the correction you're referring to is not historical revisionism. It's a simple fix of a mistake that wasn't meant to exist. Fixing minor stuff like that is not unusual in restoration works, animation or live action. If this is historical revisionism, then the same can be said of digital restoration, removal of compositing artifacts, matte lines, picture stabilization, etc...

[Robo4900]

remember, there's the altering of the animation on Piccolo in the first Broly movie. It's not just censorship, it's historical revisionism; bending history to meet Toei's modern convenience.

No, the correction you're referring to is not historical revisionism. It's a simple fix of a mistake that wasn't meant to exist. Fixing minor stuff like that is not unusual in restoration works, animation or live action. If this is historical revisionism, then the same can be said of digital restoration, removal of compositing artifacts, matte lines, picture stabilization, etc...

No, it is revisionism.

Intrinsic dust, dirt, instability in the picture, and other such technical flaws from the film the picture is printed on are the stuff you fix in a restoration. Animation errors are part of the product, and removing it... Well, it'd be like digitally altering the blood stain on Kirk's shirt in Wrath Of Khan so it doesn't move about from shot to shot; yes, it does fix a goof from the original production, but you're not just restoring the image at that point, you're revising the original production.

[KBABZ]

While it is nice they at least give refund, i hope its gonna flop, and less people gonna buy it, censorship is always bad.

Personally I'd rather have it out on Blu-Ray slightly censored than not have it on Blu-Ray at all, given how rarely Toei releases them in the first place.

[Robo4900]

While it is nice they at least give refund, i hope its gonna flop, and less people gonna buy it, censorship is always bad.

Personally I'd rather have it out on Blu-Ray slightly censored than not have it on Blu-Ray at all, given how rarely Toei releases them in the first place.

I disagree. I'd rather they learn the lesson that people don't want censorship, and thus in future don't put censorship on what will be definitive releases, than for them to have this work out great, and them to put this kind of censorship and historical revisionism into their inevitable HD restorations of the original TV specials and series.

[KBABZ]

While it is nice they at least give refund, i hope its gonna flop, and less people gonna buy it, censorship is always bad.

Personally I'd rather have it out on Blu-Ray slightly censored than not have it on Blu-Ray at all, given how rarely Toei releases them in the first place.

I disagree. I'd rather they learn the lesson that people don't want censorship, and thus in future don't put censorship on what will be definitive releases, than for them to have this work out great, and them to put this kind of censorship and historical revisionism into their inevitable HD restorations of the original TV specials and series.

I'm coming from the perspective that these Blu-Ray releases will be the only HD releases of the films Toei will make available for purchase. Uncensored of course would be great, but if I'd have to pick either slightly censored or nonexistent, I'll go with slightly censored.

[Luso Saiyan]

Animation errors are part of the product,

So are heavy matte lines, compositing artifacts, etc... They aren't redoing anyting, they are fixing an obvious, minor mistake that doesn't affect the original integrity of the artistic work.

[MadSpecialist]

I couldn't be happier for getting these remasters but you almost can't win with their releases so far.

They're available digitally uncensored with (barely) satisfactory audio but physically with (arguably) better sounding audio yet varying changes to their video, one being censorship. Here's hoping there'll be a release (probably outside of Japan) with the better of both I can throw my money at—it'll certainly be worth the wait!

[jjgp1112]

Animation errors are part of the product,

So are heavy matte lines, compositing artifacts, etc... They aren't redoing anyting, they are fixing an obvious, minor mistake that doesn't affect the original integrity of the artistic work.

Yeah...when it comes to actual errors, production companies shouldn't be beholden to purists and fanboys if they want to make a product that meets their standards. If they get a chance to fix it, they should.

A lot of movies in the analogue film era have scratches, tears, and stuff that were on the original prints that everyone saw thanks to the physical transportation process. Should they be left as-is just because it was there to begin with? If they're trying to clean it up, no. There's nothing wrong with fixing coloring errors and things of tha nature and labeling it "historical revisionism" is just...absurd on a lot of levels in the context of a home video release of a children's anime.

Hell, fixing production goofs isn't even exclusive to restoration processes...almost every anime these days has errors or particularly bad drawings from the original broadcasts fixed in their home video releases.

[Metalwario64]

Honestly, I'm over the correcting of animation errors. In fact, now I would have liked to have seen that go all the way with the various coloring errors in movie 12 being fixed, but they didn't do it.

Instead, they put their editing money into shitty censorship. If they wanted to "protect the kids" (which is fucking stupid), the streaming one should have been censored, and these collector's Blu-rays should have been uncut.