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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by KBABZ » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:20 am

uzuni wrote:I've just had a realization. Can anyone here who owns the Orange Bricks please confirm for me whether the discs are in fact 8.5 GB or 4.7 GB?
My DB Dragon Box discs are 7.8GB, while the Blue Bricks are about 7.4GB. Hope that helps!

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:29 am

KBABZ wrote:
uzuni wrote:I've just had a realization. Can anyone here who owns the Orange Bricks please confirm for me whether the discs are in fact 8.5 GB or 4.7 GB?
My DB Dragon Box discs are 7.8GB, while the Blue Bricks are about 7.4GB. Hope that helps!
How about the Orange Brick discs, if you own them? I believe I've been duped!

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by KBABZ » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:03 am

uzuni wrote:
KBABZ wrote:
uzuni wrote:I've just had a realization. Can anyone here who owns the Orange Bricks please confirm for me whether the discs are in fact 8.5 GB or 4.7 GB?
My DB Dragon Box discs are 7.8GB, while the Blue Bricks are about 7.4GB. Hope that helps!
How about the Orange Brick discs, if you own them? I believe I've been duped!
I don't have the Orange Bricks I'm afraid.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:26 am

It appears I've been duped by Amazon!

I just recently bought all of the Orange Bricks, only to receive a counterfeit product. And I'm not the first: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26040

Would I be better off in buying them individually rather than together?

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by JohnnyCashKami » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:29 am

Most OB discs are DVD9 while a few are DVD5, IIRC.

Buying either the DVD or the Blu-ray version is a waste and you'll never get your money back from trying to resell, if you then plan on getting a superior release.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:33 am

JohnnyCashKami wrote:Most OB discs are DVD9 while a few are DVD5, IIRC.

Buying either the DVD or the Blu-ray version is a waste and you'll never get your money back from trying to resell, if you then plan on getting a superior release.
Well, the ones I received were all compressed to DVD5! And look absolutely terrible.

DO NOT buy this product from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.ca/Dragon-Complete-U ... B00XKMOB1O

Does anyone know where I can buy a complete legitimate set of the Orange Bricks?

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by JohnnyCashKami » Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:19 pm

Did you buy it directly from Amazon or a marketplace seller? If the latter, then you might have to pay for the return shipping. Anyway, get a refund and save your money, it's just a matter of time now before FUNi releases another Dragon Ball Z edition.

Oh yeah, you don't get booklets on the newer OBs prints so that's a shame but expected.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:52 pm

I bought them as a bundle from a marketplace seller. I'll be returning that and buying them individually by Amazon's price.

I've decided that near the end of Season 4 or beginning of Season 5, the Orange Bricks look better than the Blu-rays.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by Robo4900 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:07 pm

JohnnyCashKami wrote:
uzuni wrote:The Dragon Box really does look gorgeous. I wonder if I really do need the Faulconer track... I'm having second thoughts now.
The FUNimation dub with the original Z music does sound a bit out of place so better to watch with the score it was written in mind.

It's unlikely FUNi will re-dub Z but great if they would because that'd finally sync with the original score.
Or Uzuni could try watching it in Japanese... :D

If you really must stick to the dub, the Kikuchi score is a great score, it's just that the Funi dub acting doesn't hold up as well with the more minimalist music, and they gutted out the insert songs... Though the score itself is really damn awesome, so... TBH, if you want to go for the DBoxes for the superior video, just go for it. The moments where the score and the voice acting jar against each-other is generally less frequent and less distracting than the constant jarring of the 2007-2008 redubs compared to the 1999-2002 dubbing in seasons 3+, and if you can handle that, you can handle the Kikuchi score being put on the Funi dub.

Though really, my advice is to just wait and see what happens in regards to Toei potentially remastering the series, since that's being floated, and seems like a logical follow-up from the movies...
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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:19 pm

Robo4900 wrote:
JohnnyCashKami wrote:
uzuni wrote:The Dragon Box really does look gorgeous. I wonder if I really do need the Faulconer track... I'm having second thoughts now.
The FUNimation dub with the original Z music does sound a bit out of place so better to watch with the score it was written in mind.

It's unlikely FUNi will re-dub Z but great if they would because that'd finally sync with the original score.
Or Uzuni could try watching it in Japanese... :D

If you really must stick to the dub, the Kikuchi score is a great score, it's just that the Funi dub acting doesn't hold up as well with the more minimalist music, and they gutted out the insert songs... Though the score itself is really damn awesome, so... TBH, if you want to go for the DBoxes for the superior video, just go for it. The moments where the score and the voice acting jar against each-other is generally less frequent and less distracting than the constant jarring of the 2007-2008 redubs compared to the 1999-2002 dubbing in seasons 3+, and if you can handle that, you can handle the Kikuchi score being put on the Funi dub.

Though really, my advice is to just wait and see what happens in regards to Toei potentially remastering the series, since that's being floated, and seems like a logical follow-up from the movies...
I suspect that there'll come a time when I watch the Dragon Boxes in their entirety. For now, I'd prefer to see the series with Faulconer's score. So, I plan on watching the Level Sets, then the Dragon Box until episode 67, then the Blu-rays through to most of Season 4, and the Orange Bricks for the remainder.

The only reason I won't be watching the singles is because I think the video quality is too poor.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by Robo4900 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:34 pm

uzuni wrote:
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JohnnyCashKami wrote: The FUNimation dub with the original Z music does sound a bit out of place so better to watch with the score it was written in mind.

It's unlikely FUNi will re-dub Z but great if they would because that'd finally sync with the original score.
Or Uzuni could try watching it in Japanese... :D

If you really must stick to the dub, the Kikuchi score is a great score, it's just that the Funi dub acting doesn't hold up as well with the more minimalist music, and they gutted out the insert songs... Though the score itself is really damn awesome, so... TBH, if you want to go for the DBoxes for the superior video, just go for it. The moments where the score and the voice acting jar against each-other is generally less frequent and less distracting than the constant jarring of the 2007-2008 redubs compared to the 1999-2002 dubbing in seasons 3+, and if you can handle that, you can handle the Kikuchi score being put on the Funi dub.

Though really, my advice is to just wait and see what happens in regards to Toei potentially remastering the series, since that's being floated, and seems like a logical follow-up from the movies...
I suspect that there'll come a time when I watch the Dragon Boxes in their entirety. For now, I'd prefer to see the series with Faulconer's score. So, I plan on watching the Level Sets, then the Dragon Box until episode 67, then the Blu-rays through to most of Season 4, and the Orange Bricks for the remainder.

The only reason I won't be watching the singles is because I think the video quality is too poor.
The singles' video quality is actually pretty good, though...
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:44 am

The Kikuchi score just makes the most sense if you’re going to watch Dragon Ball and then Z but if you’re gonna watch Z isolated from DB I suppose it works just as well to watch the Johnson/Faulconer version.


I can’t imagine going from listening to the Kikuchi score and then switching to the Faulconer score in the same watch through. To each his own but if you really want to hear the Faulconer score that bad I would just stick to the Orange Bricks and listen exclusively to the Johnson score for the first 67 episodes.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by JohnnyCashKami » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:21 am

MasenkoHA wrote:The Kikuchi score just makes the most sense if you’re going to watch Dragon Ball and then Z but if you’re gonna watch Z isolated from DB I suppose it works just as well to watch the Johnson/Faulconer version.


I can’t imagine going from listening to the Kikuchi score and then switching to the Faulconer score in the same watch through. To each his own but if you really want to hear the Faulconer score that bad I would just stick to the Orange Bricks and listen exclusively to the Johnson score for the first 67 episodes.
The FUNi Z dub feels really out of place with the original Z score because it was written specifically for the Johnson (early Z) and Faulconer (later Z) soundtracks. It kinda works (but doesn't "works just as well") but can leave one wondering what was missing in that dub's scene.

Even the Gohan SSJ2 scene with FUNi's dub and the insert song 'Unmei no Hi' clash since there's a monologue and it wasn't supposed to. FUNi sure liked to "improve" series with their dubs back then. 'Unmei no Hi' wasn't added but a fan-edit can be found on YouTube with it.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by clutchins » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:13 pm

@uzuni
I would have recommended you buy the set I got which was apparently only sold in Canadian markets, but it looks like it's unavailable for the most part...
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00GJUQ0CW/

The "box" (if you could call it that) that houses all nine bulky digipaks is really just a folded piece of cardboard that is flimsier than some of the boxes included in the single box sets and totally not worth $899 (the only seller's price at the time of this writing).
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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:13 pm

clutchins wrote:@uzuni
I would have recommended you buy the set I got which was apparently only sold in Canadian markets, but it looks like it's unavailable for the most part...
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00GJUQ0CW/

The "box" (if you could call it that) that houses all nine bulky digipaks is really just a folded piece of cardboard that is flimsier than some of the boxes included in the single box sets and totally not worth $899 (the only seller's price at the time of this writing).
What a waste!

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:01 am

I wonder if it’d be cheaper to buy the Dragon Ball Singles, the Yellow Bricks, or the Madman Box Sets.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by JohnnyCashKami » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:44 pm

uzuni wrote:I wonder if it’d be cheaper to buy the Dragon Ball Singles, the Yellow Bricks, or the Madman Box Sets.
All depends where you find it at.

Madman Fat Packs x2
Yellow Bricks x5
Saga Sets x8 (or more, not sure right now)

You can try, um.. eBay, Fishpond, Amazon or some other marketplaces available.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:29 pm

Some of you may be pleased to know:

After further consideration, I've concluded that the DVD Singles are indeed the best means to view the series with the American OST, just as all of you advised.

The video quality seems only a notch below the Dragon Box. Not far off.

The only that can be said about the Remastered releases is that perhaps the dub is superior. But, is it really? I'd say even that was better left untouched.

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by MasenkoHA » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:48 pm

uzuni wrote:.

The only that can be said about the Remastered releases is that perhaps the dub is superior. But, is it really? I'd say even that was better left untouched.
For s1 and 2 that’s more debatable and it reallys come to if you prefer the Ocean cast or the Funi cast. Wasserman or Johnson. How much the edits and cuts made bother you. I have a lot of problems with the in-house redub including the fact that it even exist but it was Funimation’s best work pre-Kai with DBZ

If you mean like s3 and beyond no Funimation botched that so bad. Only some of their worse lines were removed not even all (Mondo cool is gone I believe but I’m not wearing shoe laces is still present for example) sure you got somewhat better voice acting from Sabat, Strait, and Nadolny but Schemmel’s performance is so bad and I find going from 2005 Schemmel to 1999 Schemmel within one episode far more jarring than going from Kelamis to Schemmel in 1999. Also Dende is completely recast I assume because the actress from the 1999 dub wasn’t available for the in-house 2005 redub of the first 67
Episodes so they had the new actress rerecord the season 3 lines as well. And while the first Dende at least sounded somewhat like a boy the Dende for the remastered dub sounds straight up like a female

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Re: Optimal Viewing Experience

Post by uzuni » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:03 pm

MasenkoHA wrote:
uzuni wrote:.

The only that can be said about the Remastered releases is that perhaps the dub is superior. But, is it really? I'd say even that was better left untouched.
For s1 and 2 that’s more debatable and it reallys come to if you prefer the Ocean cast or the Funi cast. Wasserman or Johnson. How much the edits and cuts made bother you. I have a lot of problems with the in-house redub including the fact that it even exist but it was Funimation’s best work pre-Kai with DBZ

If you mean like s3 and beyond no Funimation botched that so bad. Only some of their worse lines were removed not even all (Mondo cool is gone I believe but I’m not wearing shoe laces is still present for example) sure you got somewhat better voice acting from Sabat, Strait, and Nadolny but Schemmel’s performance is so bad and I find going from 2005 Schemmel to 1999 Schemmel within one episode far more jarring than going from Kelamis to Schemmel in 1999. Also Dende is completely recast I assume because the actress from the 1999 dub wasn’t available for the in-house 2005 redub of the first 67
Episodes so they had the new actress rerecord the season 3 lines as well. And while the first Dende at least sounded somewhat like a boy the Dende for the remastered dub sounds straight up like a female
Yes, I was referring to episode 68 onward. And I completely agree.

I don't think a small number of replaced lines really overrides the 16:9 crop, if I had to choose between the two.

For the first 67 episodes, the Dragon Box is best. I don't care much for Nathan Johnson's score, and the edited Ocean dub is out of the question for me. Lol.

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