DB's Revival
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I was actually fairly positive with BoG largely because, by casting Beerus as less of a straight-up villain and more of a jerk-ass who was literally about to blow up the world because Buu ate his pudding, actually managed to deflate a lot of the issues that DBZ had been suffering for. BoG felt like it focused more on characters and more on a sense of fun that the franchise desperately needed.
Didn't bother to watch ResurrectionF. Always felt that bringing back Freeza was dumb.
I've said more than enough on my feelings on Super (the anime: it ain't good, the manga: turned shit into something kind of fun), and I'll admit that I'm excited for Super: Broly if only because I do want to see a stupid expensive looking anime where movie where the explosions happen in a crowded theater.
Didn't bother to watch ResurrectionF. Always felt that bringing back Freeza was dumb.
I've said more than enough on my feelings on Super (the anime: it ain't good, the manga: turned shit into something kind of fun), and I'll admit that I'm excited for Super: Broly if only because I do want to see a stupid expensive looking anime where movie where the explosions happen in a crowded theater.
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Exactly. Many fans seem almost zealously eager for Super to erase GT and frequently cite Toriyama's involvement as justification. GT's status in general as an (American) fandom punching bag is very annoying now since Super, from what I've read about it, seems just as flawed as GT was.Kunzait_83 wrote:Conversely, people also tend to drastically downplay Toriyama's involvement in GT because GT is so unpopular and has such a meme-driven momentum within fandom to be seen as a "non-canon" aberration or whatever. In reality, Toriyama's involvement in GT was somewhat larger than most fans want to admit to, while his involvement in Super (outside of the films anyway) appears to be FAR less than what most fans are desperate to want to believe it is.
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Is it really an American fandom punching bag? GT's reputation has never been high as long as I've been a part of this fandom, which now has lasted over 22 years.Majin Buu wrote:Exactly. Many fans seem almost zealously eager for Super to erase GT and frequently cite Toriyama's involvement as justification. GT's status in general as an (American) fandom punching bag is very annoying now since Super, from what I've read about it, seems just as flawed as GT was.Kunzait_83 wrote:Conversely, people also tend to drastically downplay Toriyama's involvement in GT because GT is so unpopular and has such a meme-driven momentum within fandom to be seen as a "non-canon" aberration or whatever. In reality, Toriyama's involvement in GT was somewhat larger than most fans want to admit to, while his involvement in Super (outside of the films anyway) appears to be FAR less than what most fans are desperate to want to believe it is.
Anyway, so as to not split hairs, yes, I think people's understanding of Toriyama's involvement is misunderstood and skews people's opinions on the quality (or lack thereof) of both series.
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Considering how often people complain about it and how many people seem to want it to not exist, that's the impression I get.ABED wrote:Is it really an American fandom punching bag? GT's reputation has never been high as long as I've been a part of this fandom, which now has lasted over 22 years.
Conversely, from what I understand there isn't nearly as much vitriol towards GT on the Japanese fandom side of things. Supposedly they're more indifferent to it.
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I can indeed confirm that vitriolic hatred toward GT is much more of a recent-ish thing.
In the pre-dub years, while GT was never by any means beloved, the worst sentiments toward it were more that of boredom and exhaustion with the Dragon Ball franchise in general still trudging onward, more so than outright venomous disgust and contempt.
And when GT was first being dubbed by FUNimation, while I could be mistaken since I'm by no means someone who's ever claimed to have their finger squarely on the pulse of Dragon Ball dub fandom at all times, my earliest recollection of the dub fandom's initial reaction towards it was them outright loving the hell out of much of it and eating it up at first.
The whole over the top despising of GT and viewing it as the all time worst thing that has ever had DB's name on it and that it needs to be erased from existence... that had always seemed like it really started becoming more a thing maybe around a couple years after FUNimation had finally finished dubbing the whole series (so circa mid/late 2000s maybe). And for sure it was mainly on America's end of things. Japan generally does seem to be fairly neutral to "meh" on GT overall.
In the pre-dub years, while GT was never by any means beloved, the worst sentiments toward it were more that of boredom and exhaustion with the Dragon Ball franchise in general still trudging onward, more so than outright venomous disgust and contempt.
And when GT was first being dubbed by FUNimation, while I could be mistaken since I'm by no means someone who's ever claimed to have their finger squarely on the pulse of Dragon Ball dub fandom at all times, my earliest recollection of the dub fandom's initial reaction towards it was them outright loving the hell out of much of it and eating it up at first.
The whole over the top despising of GT and viewing it as the all time worst thing that has ever had DB's name on it and that it needs to be erased from existence... that had always seemed like it really started becoming more a thing maybe around a couple years after FUNimation had finally finished dubbing the whole series (so circa mid/late 2000s maybe). And for sure it was mainly on America's end of things. Japan generally does seem to be fairly neutral to "meh" on GT overall.
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True. GT is generally considered just "meh"/average in Japan, no where near one of the worst anime ever.Majin Buu wrote:Considering how often people complain about it and how many people seem to want it to not exist, that's the impression I get.ABED wrote:Is it really an American fandom punching bag? GT's reputation has never been high as long as I've been a part of this fandom, which now has lasted over 22 years.
Conversely, from what I understand there isn't nearly as much vitriol towards GT on the Japanese fandom side of things. Supposedly they're more indifferent to it.