Would you like to see the Dragon Ball Franchise on Netflix, (Even if it was redubbed)

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Evangelion is 26 episodes, thats a much less costly endeavour.

In all honesty the only redubbing were likely to get for Dragon Ball anytime soon is Chris Ayres redubbing Daman Mills' lines in the Resurrection F arc for Funimation's eventual season set releases of Super.

[Kunzait_83]

For all my myriad word salads about this crap, I'm ultimately a very, very simple, basic-ass guy when all's said and done.

So long as its meets the following criteria:

A) Original Z is present and any inclusion of Kai in the overall Dragon Ball package isn't substituting in for it as a replacement alternative
B) Its Simmons subbed, original audio is present and untouched
And C) Its not cropped or Orange Brick-over saturated to within an inch of its life.

Then I'm perfectly good to go. Just meet that MINIMUM standard, and I can more than easily just collapse into a couch with a bowl of popcorn and binge DB without so much as a single whisper of a complaint.

Honestly, not a single one of these should be innately tall orders. They wouldn't be for virtually any other anime series, and are as reasonable a set of standards as I can possibly think of for a series like this. Even with regards to C, I'm not even asking for Dragon Box-quality here (that would certainly be nice and my ideal preference, but its hardly in any way a necessity whatsoever): just not cropped or saturated to the point where the actual artwork of the animation itself has been visibly damaged and obscured.

Now watch FUNimation either only use Kai instead of Z, or they have Z but its dub-only, Faulconer-ized, Orange Brick footage.

Or barring those, they just flat out invent/pull from nowhere some whole other brand new, bizarrely inexplicable issue that has previously never existed yet with this series in any remote fashion and that no one has ever even conceived of as being a potential snag: like I dunno, they go and try to create yet another whole new fresh attempt at remastering the series in HD just for its Netflix run, but this time once every 12 frames on every even-numbered episode the image quality suddenly becomes macro-blocked to shit while the audio briefly cuts out and plays a snippet of an outtake from a random Five Finger Death Punch song because of some random screw up at the office of the no-name company that FUNi outsourced the video transferring over to on the cheap, or some shit along those lines. "The way it was ALWAYS meant to be seen!"

[Forte224]

Sure. I'd actually be interested in hearing a new dub from scratch. Otherwise a Netflix release wouldn't interest me, as I have the whole series backed up to 3 different hard drives so the convenience of streaming isn't really an issue for me. That said, maybe some of my friends would finally watch the show if it were available on a popular streaming service like Netflix.

[Robo4900]

Sooo... it seems that Netflix is indeed redubbing Evangelion.

Also I forgot to put this. The Japanese version is available as always. Just the dub being replaced. With a new cast.

The dub is likely mostly down to rights issues. Either way, it won't have any bearing on a Dragon Ball redub's chances -- that remains still 0% likely, realistically.

Also I freaking love you Robo, but you are derailing the thread lol.

Haha, cheers man, and right you are.

[snip]

Heh... Agreed.

I'm sure Funi would find some fresh way to screw up a Dragon Ball Netflix deal... But, it they did it okay, with Japanese and 4:3 available, that'd be grand.

[KBABZ]

Or barring those, they just flat out invent/pull from nowhere some whole other brand new, bizarrely inexplicable issue that has previously never existed yet with this series in any remote fashion and that no one has ever even conceived of as being a potential snag: like I dunno, they go and try to create yet another whole new fresh attempt at remastering the series in HD just for its Netflix run, but this time once every 12 frames on every even-numbered episode the image quality suddenly becomes macro-blocked to shit while the audio briefly cuts out and plays a snippet of an outtake from a random Five Finger Death Punch song because of some random screw up at the office of the no-name company that FUNi outsourced the video transferring over to on the cheap, or some shit along those lines. "The way it was ALWAYS meant to be seen!"

I'm sure Funi would find some fresh way to screw up a Dragon Ball Netflix deal... But, it they did it okay, with Japanese and 4:3 available, that'd be grand.

Oh oh, I got it: FUNimation provide a 4:3 version of the series by cropping the widescreen crop.

I agree with Kunzait, there should be the Japanese version along with subtitles to compliment whatever dub they go with. Kai would be a neat option on the side but there's little point in providing a Japanese track for that.

[MasenkoHA]

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Now watch FUNimation either only use Kai instead of Z, or they have Z but its dub-only, Faulconer-ized, Orange Brick footage.

To their credit, on FunimationNow and when it was on Hulu they uploaded the dub with the Kikuchi score. However, it was most definitely the Orange Brick version. I only know this because they use that shitty Menza composed opening, the one that sounds like it was put together by stock music on an IMac, instead of Head Cha-La and I believe their uploads of the subs still has the goddamn English titles with “clever” wordplay like “Gohan Goes Bananas” and crediting the English cast and crew even if you just finished watching the goddamn Japanese version

[Robo4900]

Kai would be a neat option on the side but there's little point in providing a Japanese track for that.

Hard disagree.

Just because dub-fans probably get more out of Kai compared to Z than sub-fans do, doesn't mean Kai in Japanese is an unsalvageable trainwreck or something. It serves its purpose, and does it rather well.

[MasenkoHA]

Kai would be a neat option on the side but there's little point in providing a Japanese track for that.

Hard disagree.

Just because dub-fans probably get more out of Kai compared to Z than sub-fans do, doesn't mean Kai in Japanese is an unsalvageable trainwreck or something. It serves its purpose, and does it rather well.

Seconded.

I’m not sure why fans act like Japanese Kai is totally worthless but Funimation Kai is just the absolute tops.

Is Japanese Kai worse acted than Japanese Z with poorly placed music replacing a plagiarized score (the latter criticism applies to English Kai) yes

Is the acting in Japanese Kai still better than the Funimation Kai cast at the top of their game? Yes


I think it’s insane that people want to pretend English Kai is better than Japanese Kai. It’s not better. It’s better than English Z

[KBABZ]

Kai would be a neat option on the side but there's little point in providing a Japanese track for that.

Hard disagree.

Just because dub-fans probably get more out of Kai compared to Z than sub-fans do, doesn't mean Kai in Japanese is an unsalvageable trainwreck or something. It serves its purpose, and does it rather well.

Seconded.

I’m not sure why fans act like Japanese Kai is totally worthless but Funimation Kai is just the absolute tops.

I'm not saying it's better than English Kai, I'm saying that it's redundant next to Japanese Z.

[Kunzait_83]

Is the acting in Japanese Kai still better than the Funimation Kai cast at the top of their game? Yes


I think it’s insane that people want to pretend English Kai is better than Japanese Kai. It’s not better. It’s better than English Z

Co-signing onto this 1000%

Poor Joji Yanami at his absolute sickest and most vocally frail could still easily dance circles around Schemmel's still godawful unlistenable Kaio, Horikawa at his most bored and disinterestedly phoning it in is still on a whole other level that's lightyears beyond Sabat's still wincingly terrible Vegeta rendition, and Daisuke Gori's corpse right now from its casket six feet under can very likely still put in an infinitely superior Mr. Satan performance than Chris Rager.

I've said it before and will keep saying it: the original legacy FUNimation cast are just inherently and innately bad, untalented actors, and even at their absolute apex "best", they are still unbelievably dogshit in these roles because they simply. Cannot. Act. So "improved" for them is a HIGHLY relative concept that simply means "less shitty than they were when they started, but still plenty shitty all the same". At the end of the day, you cannot get blood from a stone here: if someone lacks raw performance talent and charisma, then all the practice and repetition in the universe isn't going to paper over that, even over the course of years and years.

Kai's dub isn't "good": its simply "less bad than Z". Its the turd at its absolute most spit-shined and polished. Ayers is more than fine and serviceable as Freeza, but he's still just one voice that's surrounded by the likes of Schemmel, Sabat, Strait, etc. who all at their absolute best and most polished still wouldn't make the grade as extras in a porn film. Even as 20 year vets, they STILL all largely sound like complete amateurs in a fan dub done by stoned high schoolers.

I would of course enthusiastically and vigorously voice my support for a complete, from the ground up redub of the whole entire franchise (all TV series, movies, and specials) with totally recast from scratch voices filled with genuine professionals who can at a bare minimum deliver baseline competent performances that don't sound like they're straight from a bottom-rung cartoon replacement for Power Rangers: but of course I know that this is hardly in any way remotely a likely possibility with FUNimation (whom I wouldn't trust with such a from scratch redub anyway: I'd at this point probably just want a whole new company to completely take over the reigns from them), and its hardly something I would outright demand for DB on Netflix.

Just give me the Japanese version with Simmons' subs in a non-cropped, non-saturated format (doesn't even have to be on the level of the Dragon Box footage, though that would still be nice if possible), and we're golden.

[MasenkoHA]

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Kai's dub isn't "good": its simply "less bad than Z". Its the turd at its absolute most spit-shined and polished. Ayers is more than fine and serviceable as Freeza, but he's still just one voice that's surrounded by the likes of Schemmel, Sabat, Strait, etc. who all at their absolute best and most polished still wouldn't make the grade as extras in a porn film. Even as 20 year vets, they STILL all largely sound like complete amateurs in a fan dub done by stoned high schoolers.

I’ll go far as saying Schemmel has vastly improved in Kai from his season 3 days. That’s not the accomplishment people make it out to be he was just THAT horrible in season 3. He’s still can’t compare to Nozawa, he can’t even compare to Ian Corlett.

Likewise Colleen Clinkbeard isn’t very good but she’s not Stephanie Nadolny. So that’s kind of a plus in the same way someone giving me a soda that went flat days ago is preferrable to them keep on insisting I drink their urine. If I listen and evaluate Clinkenbeard’s performance on its own merits it’s fairly mediocre and a bit too forced for my taste as opposed to again Nozawa’s more natural take or even Saffron Henderson.

I would of course enthusiastically and vigorously voice my support for a complete, from the ground up redub of the whole entire franchise (all TV series, movies, and specials) with totally recast from scratch voices filled with genuine professionals who can at a bare minimum deliver baseline competent performances that don't sound like they're straight from a bottom-rung cartoon replacement for Power Rangers: but of course I know that this is hardly in any way remotely a likely possibility with FUNimation (whom I wouldn't trust with such a from scratch redub anyway: I'd at this point probably just want a whole new company to completely take over the reigns from them), and its hardly something I would outright demand for DB on Netflix.

I honestly would have liked the Ocean talent to have dubbed Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z the same way the Pioneer movies were dubbed with maybe a few select recast. But that ship has long sailed

[Kunzait_83]

I honestly would have liked the Ocean talent to have dubbed Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z the same way the Pioneer movies were dubbed with maybe a few select recast. But that ship has long sailed

I'm hardly anywhere near as over the moon about the Ocean cast as many other folks are, but if you're going to trot them out again, then some important recasts are an absolute MUST. Kaio, Karin, Muten Roshi, and several others key characters should absolutely be totally recast with totally different approaches entirely to their performances.

But in all seriousness, I'm totally and virulently against having these characters be performed as "Saturday morning cartoon" characters: what's long been DESPERATELY needed in an English DB/Z dub is naturalism. Just have the characters be allowed to speak in natural, organic, conversational sounding voices rather than doing an over the top silly caricature of a voice. No over the top rasps or forced grunts or silly, stereotypically broad accents: just speak into the microphone and Act. Natural. Its what 99% of the Japanese voices have all generally done throughout, and it works absolute wonders for this anime because it allows for the characters to posses shades of real emotional subtlety. And that elevates the overall quality of this anime VASTLY beyond its inherent silly ridiculousness.

The Ocean voices were vastly superior and more professional & charismatic Saturday morning cartoon voice actors than the FUNimation cast could ever hope to be: but they're still playing these characters as broad Saturday morning cartoon characters. And that's the particular flavor of stink that's enveloped this series' English versions from day one to now and that dearly needs to go if its ever going to be even remotely listenable outside of the Japanese version. These characters need to no longer sound like they're from some bad G.I. Joe knockoff, and sound instead like semi-believable human beings for once.

[ABED]

I like Don Brown as Kaio and I never had a problem with the Harvey Firestein - like voice for Karin.

[Cure Dragon 255]

That's all well and nice but the thread is about a complete overhaul of the cast. Its not about what you like unless its that you wouldnt approve of the new cast due to loving an old cast too much.

[MyVisionity]

Just give me the Japanese version with Simmons' subs in a non-cropped, non-saturated format (doesn't even have to be on the level of the Dragon Box footage, though that would still be nice if possible), and we're golden.

Why so keen on Simmons' subtitles? If the series was re-subbed would that be an issue for you? Personally I think I would welcome a new translator's take on it.

[Kunzait_83]

Why so keen on Simmons' subtitles? If the series was re-subbed would that be an issue for you? Personally I think I would welcome a new translator's take on it.

I'm quite fond of Simmons' translations and think they're as accurate as you're ever gonna get probably. Simmons isn't just a good translator who's fluent in the language, he's also a knowledgeable fan from way, WAY back (since before my time even) who fully gets the more nuanced subtleties of the characters' personalities and how they speak. Getting him to do the subs was the single best thing that FUNimation's ever done with this series, apart from releasing the Dragon Boxes.

I personally wouldn't necessarily trust someone else with it at this point, especially given the temptation a lot of people seem to have with sticking to dub terminology and such no matter what, or with putting their own bizarre personalized "twists" on various characters' dialogue (Viz comes to mind there). I just want a straight up, no-nonsense, accurate translation, and Simmons very much provides that. No need to "fix" what isn't broken.

[MasenkoHA]

, or with putting their own bizarre personalized "twists" on various characters' dialogue (Viz comes to mind there). .

Like Piccolo speaking Shakespearian for some reason? Which, as far as I am aware, has fuck all to do with his speech pattern in the Japanese version.

[Dr. Casey]

, or with putting their own bizarre personalized "twists" on various characters' dialogue (Viz comes to mind there). .

Like Piccolo speaking Shakespearian for some reason? Which, as far as I am aware, has fuck all to do with his speech pattern in the Japanese version.

If this is a regular thing, that actually sounds pretty hilarious.

[MasenkoHA]

[ABED]

Why so keen on Simmons' subtitles? If the series was re-subbed would that be an issue for you? Personally I think I would welcome a new translator's take on it.

I'm quite fond of Simmons' translations and think they're as accurate as you're ever gonna get probably. Simmons isn't just a good translator who's fluent in the language, he's also a knowledgeable fan from way, WAY back (since before my time even) who fully gets the more nuanced subtleties of the characters' personalities and how they speak. Getting him to do the subs was the single best thing that FUNimation's ever done with this series, apart from releasing the Dragon Boxes.

I personally wouldn't necessarily trust someone else with it at this point, especially given the temptation a lot of people seem to have with sticking to dub terminology and such no matter what, or with putting their own bizarre personalized "twists" on various characters' dialogue (Viz comes to mind there). I just want a straight up, no-nonsense, accurate translation, and Simmons very much provides that. No need to "fix" what isn't broken.

Thoughts on Clyde Mandalin's translations?