NO stories about Vic and being inappropriate with minors & sexual assault (touching women inappropriately) have also been circulating for years.BlueChi wrote:Why do I get the sinking, depressing feeling that you lot are almost interpreting this as a competition rather than what it actually is? "NO SIDE IS EVEN, MY SIDE WINS. PLS BAN THOSE WHO DISAGREE PLS k thx". This is potentially a case about sexual assault. Nobody fucking wins when it comes to this. Important reminder that while stories have been circling around for years, those stories pertained to Vic's unprofessional behaviour and not his alleged sexual assaults. Those are more recent accusations which are being discussed. All bad faith that comes from this is from people like you who want to shut other people up by force instead of realizing that you can't have it your way because life just isn't going to bend over backwards for you.Marlowe89 wrote:Hunches are based on nothing more than feelings and intuition. This isn't a hunch. Stop calling it a hunch.BlueChi wrote:My honest hunch is that he's probably guilty. It's as you've said, the innocent side has a bit more difficulty explaining their side of the argument, hence the conspiracies with the more extreme of them ..yet I still maintain that both sides are even. Why? My hunch isn't a fact. It never was, and it never will be. This applies to everyone's hunches here as well, be they in support of or against Vic. Until a confession is made (because realistically, proof will never come out.), I can't in good conscience say someone's a rapist for sure, because I also know there's a chance he's innocent. And as I've said before, I won't cross that threshold. We can try all we like, we'll never be able to prove he did or didn't do it.
If multiple people come forward, including those with years of experience in the industry, then you know we've gone far beyond the point of guesses and rumors. It's infuriating when all these stories about the same person build up over the course of a decade only to be met with "ummm guys we need HARDER EVIDENCE" and "muh essjaydoubleyews" because it doesn't meet the unreasonable demands of political reactionaries on Twitter.
I wish you people would just drop the pretense already. You're not looking at this realistically. You've already admitted that what you're asking for is nearly impossible to obtain, so proceeding to say "Well both sides are even until I get a CONFESSION!" is absurd. You know that predators don't tend to confess. You know they obviously wouldn't allow themselves to be caught in the act, especially on tape, which is why it comes down to testimony and corroboration. Which is what we have, and again, you know we have it.
I absolutely support the idea of removing bad faith posts from this discussion. It's beyond exhausting to read this shit.
Oh and yes. It's a hunch. No matter how sure you think you are. If you don't have a concrete way of proving it but you feel strongly about it, it's a hunch. It is what it is. You're not above people here who are just as bothered as you are about it, but go about it in a different way.
This is recent but again before this whole thing blew up as thread started in 2017
https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/topic/ ... a/?page=56
Here is a thread discussing it from 2014
https://www.reddit.com/r/weeabootales/c ... _fangirls/
Another old post discussing this and while the person doesnt say whether he believes the stuff it’s true the post shows that this stuff was out there about Vic well before this incident blew up http://infiniterainyday.blogspot.com/20 ... nogna.html
I mean yeah you can say it is just rumors. But how many rumors do you need when you start realizing there may be some truth to the rumors. If you google you can find even more of this stuff. It’s riduclous to think all these women just suddenly wanted to ruin Vic’s career.
Oh here is another old thread https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/20 ... 530?page=1
There is even some older stuff from live journal but can’t find that at the moment.