DBZ wiki article destroyed again

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:59 am

Just a heads up to those who care, sometime last month the minority that's been trying to basically obliterate the DB's wiki articles managed to get a 'consensus' together. Yeah. The articles are now toast. The manga and anime (DB-GT) have been merged into one article now. The three series get about 3 or 4 paragraphs. Each. Everything else that was once part of the articles has been completel removed.

I'd thought we'd managed to stop this when Lord Sesshomaru and DBZROCKS were trying to do it before. But apparently enough of us stopped checking up on it long enough that the minority managed to make themselves look like the majority.

So, yeah, DBZ wiki article is totally worthless now. It's probably got less than half the word count of the Daizex front page.

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:18 am

The character pages don't look that great either. Some characters were completly erased, like they don't exist at all.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:39 am

I noticed this yesterday. They completed toasted it, didn't they?

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:44 am

It's not like the information isn't out there on other fan sites and Dragonball communities usually are willing to answer questions. These facts aren't unavailable to the public and I think most people 3 and up know that Wiki is about as accurate as a blind guy with autism trying to pole-vault. I don't really see people lacking info on the series even if Wiki up and deletes the whole article.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:30 am

NeptuneKai wrote:It's not like the information isn't out there on other fan sites and Dragonball communities usually are willing to answer questions. These facts aren't unavailable to the public and I think most people 3 and up know that Wiki is about as accurate as a blind guy with autism trying to pole-vault. I don't really see people lacking info on the series even if Wiki up and deletes the whole article.

But I go there a lot. This really blows.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:32 am

I just don't think it's worth it. Let the morons have the site. That place is like an "encyclopedia version" of the YouTube commenters. If people want proper info they have places like Daizex and Kanzentai.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:34 am

Jerseymilk wrote:I just don't think it's worth it. Let the morons have the site. That place is like an "encyclopedia version" of the YouTube comments. If people want proper info they have places like Daizex and Kanzentai.

Why would someone just let them have the site? That doesn't sound too smart. And this website doesn't have a character guide, does it? I don't think so.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:36 am

Well, then, maybe someone needs to put something in the articles so that this site and Kanzentai can be referenced as sources. If anyone looking for DBZ info feels that they need to look further, the links will be right there to click.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:39 am

They butchered the Saiyans article too. They got rid of every bit of useful information because it was "fancruft" and left in the stuff we've heard a billion times. There's no more mention of why Goku's always hungry. Or the class system, or any other thing that was really useful and had to watch a few episodes to find out about.

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:54 am

Jerseymilk wrote:I just don't think it's worth it. Let the morons have the site. That place is like an "encyclopedia version" of the YouTube commenters. If people want proper info they have places like Daizex and Kanzentai.

Maybe, but it's a great quick reference, if you're just trying to remember something. I used it just the other day because I had forgotten the village Goku saved from Muscle Tower (it was Jingle Village).

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:26 am

Pain wrote:
Jerseymilk wrote:I just don't think it's worth it. Let the morons have the site. That place is like an "encyclopedia version" of the YouTube comments. If people want proper info they have places like Daizex and Kanzentai.
Why would someone just let them have the site? That doesn't sound too smart. And this website doesn't have a character guide, does it? I don't think so.

Because it's a losing battle, that's why. Since to really solve the problem on a permanent basis, Wikipedia needs to change fundamentally how the place is run. No matter how many times we go in there and try to change it back, they'll find a way to erase it all again. It's akin to someone trying to stop a fire by running back and forth, carrying up water scooped intp their palms and attempting to douse the flames that way. What needs to be fixed are the core elements of Wiki itself and good luck with that one.

As I said to Xyex earlier when we were talking about it, you're wasting precious time of your life, time that you can never get back again on banging your head against a wall with ignorant idiots. They really just aren't worth it in my opinion.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:38 am

It seems like wikipedia will look at anything that isn't common knowledge as pointless. And sometimes, people just don't want something in an article. I tried to put Vegeta in the list of anti-heroes, and put a credible source (the fucking official DBZ website), and they still undid the edit. It's ridiculous.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:40 am

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:50 am

I think most of the editing trolls aren't fans of Dragonball at all. They want to "destroy" the articles so people who read them have a poor opinion of the franchise. Wikipedia in my mind will never be a source that I consider valid. Any "encyclopedia site" where just any person can edit and delete information based on their own personal bias is a worthless site. All of my teachers and professors laugh at Wikipedia, and so do I.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:37 am

Raki wrote:I think most of the editing trolls aren't fans of Dragonball at all. They want to "destroy" the articles so people who read them have a poor opinion of the franchise. Wikipedia in my mind will never be a source that I consider valid. Any "encyclopedia site" where just any person can edit and delete information based on their own personal bias is a worthless site. All of my teachers and professors laugh at Wikipedia, and so do I.

This and what Kunzait said was essentially my point. Unless Wikipedia completely changes it's format, there's no point fighting it. Some may think my opinion isn't very smart, but I simply like to pick and choose my battles with a little more practical discretion is all.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:08 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:My question really though is, what's the real motive for the "morons" (as Jersey calls them) on the Dragon Ball articles? They pass themselves off as fellow fans, but they seem to have this huge problem with accurate, correct information being presented in a neat and well organized manner, and will defend the clusterfucked articles as if it's their mother's honor at stake.

The hell's up with that?

I think part of it is that Wikipedia has been mocked in the past for the length of its articles on fandom-type things. A year or two back there was this big thing over SomethingAwful.com making fun of the fact that the Wikipedia article on Knuckles from the Sonic series was longer than the aritcle for Shakespeare. So they drastically shortened it, and I think they've been leary of getting made fun of like that again. So if any article related to an anime or video game series gets past a certain length, they seem to get nervous.

Somewhat fortunately, there are now a bunch of fandom wikis sprouting up to house this kind of detailed information on anime series and such. However, their quality varies. Bulbapedia, a Pokemon wiki, is extremely good, but the DragonBall wiki that someone linked to awhile back didn't look so hot.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:44 pm

Well... the dragonball article wasn't so spruced-up to begin with, so I can see why they merged them. But where's the info about the edits? That's what the article needs.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:52 pm

And why DOESN'T the "let's handle things like the Sailor Moon articles" argument ever seem to hold any sway with these people? The Sailor Moon articles have attained the coveted "good article" status before (and unless I'm mistaken, weren't they even featured articles at some point too?), and if that's not an endorsement of how to handle similar anime articles, I don't know what is.

Oh, don't you know? The Sailor Moon article is getting fucked too. Naruto and One Peice as well. A small group of people have created an "anime project" on wiki and are cutting the hell out of all the articles. Anything that is 'fancruft' in their opinion (By their definition: information only "fans" would care about) gets wiped.

Well... the dragonball article wasn't so spruced-up to begin with, so I can see why they merged them. But where's the info about the edits? That's what the article needs.

Sure, there were issues with it. But up until Lord Sesshomaru and DBZROCKS started hacking up the page, eventually getting it protected and made un changeable, it was slowly being fixed. Then they started trying to 'improve' the page by cutting out huge sections of information they didn't want in the article on grounds it was unsourced (instead of taking the time and effort to actually fix things) which lead to an edit and revert war, which lead to protecting the page, which lead to the rest of us being disgusted and leaving, which gave them the chance to become the 'majority opinion' on the article creating the current situation.

And now, when I mention I plan to restore the old articles in a fixed and solid format I get called 'disruptive' because I'm not following what they want the article to be. And get stub artcile I made a while back nominated for AfD because I pointed out that they don't have consensus, never did, and that the merge was denied TWICE in the last year before they came along.

So yeah, I'm thinknig I'll just go with Jersey's idea and say screw it. The wiki articles were some of the best sources of information on the series before but now it's garbage and there's no reason to try and fix it when it'd just be easier to do our own, instead.

I think that's what we should do. I know there's already a DB Wiki but I think we should formulate our own. Though with different rules from the normal wiki. Something that only those here can actually edit so as to prevent the Lord Sesshomaru's and DBZROCKS' and Collectonian's from hacking apart everything and chopping it down to uselessness.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:56 pm

Basically - anything that's harder to find and isn't common knowledge is "fancruft" to them.

It's ridiculous.

Your idea of a Dragon Ball wiki is pretty good.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:21 pm

Kanzenshuu

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