The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby Steven Bloodriver » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:23 am

nickzambuto wrote:How strong is Gohan after he completes training with the Z Sword? People on comic vine were saying he stomps Majin Vegeta.

Upon having mastered his handling of the Z Sword, Son Gohan appears to at least be slightly stronger than he was when Innocent Buu kicked his ass, so if he were to go all-out as a Suped Saiyan 2 he could defeat Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby Steven Bloodriver » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:44 am

DestructoDisc wrote:Manga Vegeta vs Manga Sidra
Manga Vegeta vs Manga Heles

1) If this is Complete Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta upon achieving his Evolution of the Complete Super Saiyan Blue from the Dragon Ball Super Manga, he wins against Hakaishin Sidra. But if this is just Complete Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, he loses in an instant against the God of Destruction of Universe Nine.

2) Complete Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta from the Tournament of Power Saga of the Dragon Ball Super Manga is even with a Toppo with an Aura of a God, but would be no match at all for Hakaishin Heles. However, Evolved Complete Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta would be able to defeat the Goddess of Destruction.

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Postby Steven Bloodriver » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:51 am

Noah wrote:New match:
- Super Gotenks 3 vs. Super Janemba

If he does not get serious from the start, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks would lose against Super Janemba. But would win if he does fight seriously against the monstrous Netherworld Demon.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby OWmyDragonBallz » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:29 am

Any confirmation this far if Broly is stronger than Jiren. Could have sworn there was some statement interview saying so?

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Postby p-hyvo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:59 pm

nickzambuto wrote:How strong is Gohan after he completes training with the Z Sword? People on comic vine were saying he stomps Majin Vegeta.

After the training, shin says that Gohan could beat fat buu with his ssj2. That makes Gohan at least 4 times stronger than goku
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby Steven Bloodriver » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:52 am

Champa The Destroyer wrote:Since I'm avoiding spoilers for Broly at all costs, this gauntlet might seem illogical, but I'm trying to find a good grasp on how powerful Broly is.

Broly (Full Power) runs a gauntlet:

1. SSBKK x10 Goku (TOP)
2. Merged Zamasu (Corrupted)
3. GoD Toppo
4. SSB Vegito (FT Arc)
5. SSB Evolution Vegeta
6. UI Omen Goku (2nd time)
7. Jiren (Full Power)
8. Beerus
9. MUI Goku (initial)
10. Limit Broken Jiren
11. MUI Goku (Angry)



Vegeta (False Super Saiyan, end of Namek Arc) vs Freeza (Namek Arc)



Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, and Gohan, all from the Saiyan Arc, perform a five-way Ultra Fusion (from Dragon Ball Fusions). Who is the strongest character they can defeat?


1) When matched up against the likes of Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power from the end of Dragon Ball Super: Broly, Super Saiyan Blue: 10X Kaioken Son Goku from the Tournament of Power Arc of the Dragon Ball Super Anime would have to right away risk his very own life in using a quick combination of his Solar Flare to blind the Legendary Super Saiyan just before pushing himself beyond his Super Saiyan Blue: 20X Kaioken and reaching Super Saiyan Blue: 42X Kaioken through sheer force of will in order to unleash an Instant Transmission-aided and Dragon Fist-like Super God Shock Flash straight to the Adam’s Apple of Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power right before the reborn Legendary Warrior would have recovered from his Solar Flare which would have had caused a Double-Knockout, Merged Zamasu (Half-Corrupted Form) would not have any chance when facing-off against Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power, despite the Makaiōshin-like Potara Fusion being a much bigger threat than when compared to the power Super Saiyan Blue: 20X Kaioken Son Goku had displayed against a Jiren who was almost completely suppressed in the Universal Survival Saga and the Golden Great Ape transformation of Kanba who already was comparable to the likes of Hakaishin Beerus, a God of Destruction, and Jiren, a mortal more than strong enough to kick the ass of a God of Destruction like for example all of the Hakaishins at once, in just his base form alone in the Prison Planet Saga of Super Dragon Ball Heroes, unless Merged Zamasu (Half-Corrupted Form) would be able to improvise by alternating between his Instant Transmission, his Instantaneous Movement, and even go as far as to use his Sickle of Sorrow in attacking Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power by continously hitting the mad son of Paragus with a endless series of literally all of his most powerful Super Attacks he had inherited from Son Goku, Goku Black, and Future Zamasu while at the very same time, having abused the absolute hell out of his Instant Transmission technique to never have allowed himself to be in the clutches of someone as primitive-looking as his Legendary Saiyan adversary, his more divine in nature Instantaneous Movement technique to even be able to land a single blow on Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power in the first place by always attacking the brutish Saiyan at point-blank range, and his very own Sickle of Sorrow, a technique he had been constantly trying to use from the beginning to banish Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power into one of the many countless Rifts of Sorrow he had opened up, before finally having enough of the born paragon of the Saiyan race’s resistance and personally being the one to have knocked Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power into one of his closes Rifts of Sorrow by using his own body as a weapon in the form of him unleashing the last-minute combo of his Supreme Kai Paralysis Technique to momentarily stun Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power and ramming the knock-off of Broly with his Divine Hammer in order to have had both himself and Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power be lost. Perhaps for forever.

In whatever hellish fate awaited the two on the other side, Hakaishin Toppo should be able to kill Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power by building up all of his Hakai Energy within him and focusing it all on a Super Explosive Wave to completely and utterly erase the very existence of his foe and leave himself without any energy whatsoever to even stay conscious, Vegito Blue would have to fight against Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power with everything he has to finish the job within the very few minutes or even the matter of moments he has to exist before the mad duo of Akira Toriyama and Toyotarō would cause him to defuse prematurely but since Vegito Blue in my opinion, is stronger than Hakaishin Beerus, a Galaxy Spirit Sword from the Potara Fusion should be enough to kill the massive Mutant Saiyan. The Beyond Super Saiyan Blue form of Vegeta, would get a very humiliating defeat at the hands of Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power. Especially from a certain Saiyan Prince provoking the Super Saiyan Berserker by comparing the latter with being the long-lost brother of a rather infamously pitiful Human by the name of Yamcha, Ultra Instinct "Omen" Son Goku would have to adapt a bit to be on Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power’s level while at the same time not playing around at all and trying to get the Tarzan version of Broly dealt with before running out of time to use Ultra Instinct "Omen", Jiren (Full Power) would have been an unworthy foe for Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power. As the Grey Martian would be treated like if he was Son Gohan from the Golden Frieza Saga by the even more muscle-bound foe, Hakaishin Beerus would have to use a Mafūba-like move on Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power if using his Hakai on the even stronger movie villain wouldn’t work, True Ultra Instinct Son Goku would equal then surpass Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power before sending the Punching-Bag of Gogeta Blue packing right back up Akira Toriyama’s ass with a Silver Dragon Flash, Jiren (True Full Power), once having been done in capturing the likes of Toyotarō with his device in the form of a wristband of sorts. Would return all the humiliation Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power had given him not too long ago just before giving the absolutely beaten Super Saiyan Green the same fate he had given to Toyotarō, and an enraged True Ultra Instinct Son Goku would scare the Vic Mignogna out of Super Saiyan Broly: BR Full Power with an awesome death glare.

2) False Super Saiyan Vegeta would have been able to defeat Fourth Form Frieza (63% Maximum), but would lose against Fourth Form Frieza using anymore of his absolute maximum.

3) This quite unique Ultra Fusion would be capable of defeating the likes of the very same Imperfect Cell that fought #16.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby PFM18 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:13 pm

OWmyDragonBallz wrote:Any confirmation this far if Broly is stronger than Jiren. Could have sworn there was some statement interview saying so?


Promotional material calls him the strongest enemy ever, so that would make him stronger than Jiren, but the actual movie itself makes no such statement and actually compares him to Beerus which is really strange.

As of right now, I think it is fairly ambiguous where he stands compared to Jiren.

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Postby Tai Lung » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:42 pm

Next battle

Toppo God VS Fused Zamasu

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Postby RecolorSaiyan » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:26 pm

Tai Lung wrote:Next battle

Toppo God VS Fused Zamasu


As long as he's immortal, Fused Zamasu can only be beaten by Zeno AFAWK.

In the anime, Whis mentioned a superior sealing method at the end of the arc and in the manga, beerus flat out said his hakai wouldn't have worked on an immortal

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Postby dragonball0900 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:28 pm

Here are some:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Piccolo (Buu Saga)

If the kids win, then:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Kaioshin

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby zarmack » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:33 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:Here are some:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Piccolo (Buu Saga)

If the kids win, then:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Kaioshin


Buu Saga Piccolo was weaker than the Supreme Kai (who himself is equal to Cell Games Goku).

So SSJ Goten & Present Trunks beats both of them.
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Postby p-hyvo » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:09 am

dragonball0900 wrote:Here are some:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Piccolo (Buu Saga)

If the kids win, then:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Kaioshin



Both times goten and trunks.
Vs piccolo One rof the kids in ssj Is enough, vs shin they win only together
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Postby dragonball0900 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:02 pm

Here's one from Namek.

Ginyu (in Goku's Body, Anime version when he was getting used to the body and beating Gohan and Krillin) vs Jeice

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby BlazeDVH » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:27 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:Here are some:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Piccolo (Buu Saga)

If the kids win, then:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Kaioshin


post-ROSAT Goten and Trunks are stronger than Piccolo and Shin.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby Zamasu55 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:22 pm

RecolorSaiyan wrote:
Tai Lung wrote:Next battle

Toppo God VS Fused Zamasu


As long as he's immortal, Fused Zamasu can only be beaten by Zeno AFAWK.

In the anime, Whis mentioned a superior sealing method at the end of the arc and in the manga, beerus flat out said his hakai wouldn't have worked on an immortal

The manga doesn' count at all. Jiren's backstory is totally different, and we know the canonical one's in the anime.

And since the anime's canon, and Beerus stated he could have destroyed Zamasu if he went to the future, Toppo destroys Merged Zamasu in an instant.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby RecolorSaiyan » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:
RecolorSaiyan wrote:
Tai Lung wrote:Next battle

Toppo God VS Fused Zamasu


As long as he's immortal, Fused Zamasu can only be beaten by Zeno AFAWK.

In the anime, Whis mentioned a superior sealing method at the end of the arc and in the manga, beerus flat out said his hakai wouldn't have worked on an immortal

The manga doesn' count at all. Jiren's backstory is totally different, and we know the canonical one's in the anime.

And since the anime's canon, and Beerus stated he could have destroyed Zamasu if he went to the future, Toppo destroys Merged Zamasu in an instant.



Thats not how it works and also in episode 67, goku specifically asks can beerus erase an immortal and then whis himself mentions a superior sealing method.

I don't think you know whats canon and whats not. jirens backstory is contained in toriyama's notes which nobody has access too other than people working on super.

Toppo can't do dick to M Zamasu as long as he's immortal

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Postby Dragon Ball Gus » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:10 am

New Hypothetical Question
How strong would Goku from the Super Manga be if he mixed Mastered SSB with Kaioken?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby ZombieVito » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:55 am

zarmack wrote:Base Gogeta (Buu arc) vs Buuhan
Base Black (in his prime+scythe) vs Mastered Berzerk Kale and SSJ2 Caulifla
SSJ2 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc) vs Super Baby 1
Piccolo (RoF) vs Dabura
SSJ3 Raditz vs 1st form Freeza (Namek arc)
Android 18 (ToP) vs SSJ Cabba (Champa arc)
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs SSJ2 Kefla
SSJ1 Vegito (ToP) vs Base Toppo

Base Vegetto needed Super Saiyan to beat Boo in the manga and in the anime he beat up a suppressed Boo. I think a serious Boo would win easily.
Black beats them very easily. A tired SSG Goku defeated them after all.
Goku.
Piccolo doesn't stand a chance. if this was Champa arc Piccolo then it's another story.
A SS3 Radditz would be at 600,000. If Freeza plays it smart and tires him out then he wins.
Base Cabba spanks her.
Kefla powers down to Super Saiyan and finger flicks.
I haven't seen the Broly film but right now I have SS Vegetto lower than Toppo.

MKCSTEALTH wrote:Since we know what's gonna happen and have a fairly decent idea how things scale now...

Broly (Super) vs Jiren (Whether or not Full Power I leave to your discretion)

Gogeta Blue (Fused by Black Arc Goku and Vegeta) vs Merged Zamasu

UI Goku vs Full Power Broly

Broly vs GoD Toppo

Broly was stated to be "maybe" stronger than Beerus while Jiren was confirmed to be stronger. Jiren wins.
Same result as the fight as Vegetto. He uses to much energy and defuses. Merged Zamasu then kills Goku and Vegeta.
Goku beats him as easily as Gogeta does.
Broly beats him easily.

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:New Battles
1) Gogeta Blue (Survival Arc) vs SSJ2 Kafla

2) Gogeta Blue (Broly) vs Vegetto Blue (Survival Arc)

Kefla puts a valiant fight but losses easily.
I haven't seen the film but I assume Goku and Vegeta have grown a little stronger after the ToP so Gogeta wins after a hard fight.

DestructoDisc wrote:Manga Vegeta vs Manga Sidra
Manga Vegeta vs Manga Heles

Vegeta gets murdered easily in both fights.

Noah wrote:New match:
- Super Gotenks 3 vs. Super Janemba

I have to give this to Janemba. Gotenks is a moron.

Champa The Destroyer wrote:Since I'm avoiding spoilers for Broly at all costs, this gauntlet might seem illogical, but I'm trying to find a good grasp on how powerful Broly is.

Broly (Full Power) runs a gauntlet:

1. SSBKK x10 Goku (TOP)
2. Merged Zamasu (Corrupted)
3. GoD Toppo
4. SSB Vegito (FT Arc)
5. SSB Evolution Vegeta
6. UI Omen Goku (2nd time)
7. Jiren (Full Power)
8. Beerus
9. MUI Goku (initial)
10. Limit Broken Jiren
11. MUI Goku (Angry)



Vegeta (False Super Saiyan, end of Namek Arc) vs Freeza (Namek Arc)



Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, and Gohan, all from the Saiyan Arc, perform a five-way Ultra Fusion (from Dragon Ball Fusions). Who is the strongest character they can defeat?

Gauntlet:

Goku is killed in seconds.
Broly wins after a good fight.
Toppo gets one shotted.
Draw.
Vegeta gets one shotted.
Goku gets one shotted eventually.
Jiren wins after a good fight.
Beerus wins after a good fight.
Goku wins after a good fight.
Jiren wins easily.
Goku wins easily.

Freeza wins.
I never played the game so I would have no idea. I guess Namek Freeza.

zarmack wrote:Who do you think is the strongest character these people can beat:

1. SSJ1 Vegito (ToP)
2. Base Black (end of the Black arc)
3. SSG Vegeta (Broly film)
4. Base Toppo
5. SSBKKx20 Goku (end of ToP)
6. SSJ2 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc)
7. Piccolo (Champa arc)

17 or Gohan from the ToP arc.
SSG Vegeta [ToP arc].
Base Black or SSG Goku [ToP arc].
Aniraza.
No idea.
Dabra.

Tai Lung wrote:Next battle

Toppo God VS Fused Zamasu

Toppo beats Zamasu without even trying until Zamasu gets so angry that he summons his Light of Justice, gets his Corrupted form and beats him up very easily for various minutes. In desperation, Toppo uses his Hakai and manages to hit Zamasu at the last second. Zamasu screams and his body gets destroyed. Toppo is relieved but that soon turns into horror as Infinite Zamasu appears and kills him along with the entire multiverse.

dragonball0900 wrote:Here are some:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Piccolo (Buu Saga)

If the kids win, then:

SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post ROSAT) together vs Kaioshin

Piccolo is weaker than them but has a slight chance thanks to skill.
Kaioshin is stronger but a complete noob when it comes to fighting. The kids have a shot at closing the gap by working together.

dragonball0900 wrote:Here's one from Namek.

Ginyu (in Goku's Body, Anime version when he was getting used to the body and beating Gohan and Krillin) vs Jeice

Fantastic match.

AFAIK Kuririn says that Ginyu's power double after getting used to Goku's body so he's stronger than Jeice by a little. Thanks to Ginyu's skill this is a easy match.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Postby Champa The Destroyer » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:31 am

SS2 Kefla, GoD Toppo, and Hit (TOP) vs Merged Zamasu (Light of Justice) and Vegito Blue (FT Arc, can use Kaioken up to times 2 if struggling)


Let's say that Infinite Zamasu and his timeline corrupting/destroying power was put into a standard destroyable body. How far does he get on this list?


1. Vegito Blue (FT Arc)
2. UI Omen (3rd time)
3. Hypothetical SS3 Kefla
4. Jiren (Full Power)
5. MUI (initial)
6. Jiren (Limits Broken)
7. MUI Goku (Angry)
8. Hypothetical SS God Kefla
9. Whis
10. Zeno

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Postby zarmack » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:50 am

Champa The Destroyer wrote:SS2 Kefla, GoD Toppo, and Hit (TOP) vs Merged Zamasu (Light of Justice) and Vegito Blue (FT Arc, can use Kaioken up to times 2 if struggling)


Let's say that Infinite Zamasu and his timeline corrupting/destroying power was put into a standard destroyable body. How far does he get on this list?


1. Vegito Blue (FT Arc)
2. UI Omen (3rd time)
3. Hypothetical SS3 Kefla
4. Jiren (Full Power)
5. MUI (initial)
6. Jiren (Limits Broken)
7. MUI Goku (Angry)
8. Hypothetical SS God Kefla
9. Whis
10. Zeno


1. Either SSJ2 Kefla or GoD Toppo could solo (Hit is fooder to the other 4)

2. Infinite Zamasu is only stronger than 1#, he loses badly to the rest.
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