Herms wrote:I always find it fascinating that many fans have no problem accepting that random aliens can be zillions of times stronger than the gods, but unable to accept random androids being stronger than random aliens.
ringworm128 wrote:One idea that has been stuck in my head is General Zod (Superman series) vs Vegeta (Saiyan saga).
Pantalones wrote:First of all, Pikachu is a species, not an individual, so that'd be "a Pikachu." (Yeah, kinda nitpicky, but the whole "referring to entire species of Pokémon as if they were a single individual" thing is just one of those things that pisses me off.)
Second, most Pokémon have been repeatedly shown to be... really not very powerful at all. As in, weak enough that a strong/trained but still pretty much ordinary human can match even some of the toughest Pokémon (a lot of the Black Belt type trainers in the games talk about sparring with their Pokémon, and the Fighting-types tend to have some of the highest physical attack power of them all.)
And in case anyone tries to claim that's only possible because the Pokémon would be holding back in a friendly sparring type situation, that's not the only example of just how strong (or not) the upper-level Pokémon are compared to normal humans. In the Gold/Silver games, Lance's Dragonite hits a Team Rocket grunt with a freakin' Hyper Beam (the attack which is pretty much the definition of "not holding back") and the guy's still conscious afterward. Yes, he does get thrown backward into a wall by the attack and can't move afterward (it'd be pretty pathetic if one of the high-end Pokémon couldn't even manage that much), but he still not only survives but retains consciousness. The remakes made this guy into a Black Belt if I remember right, but that scene still has one of the strongest Pokémon (barring legendaries) being unable to kill a human even with one of the strongest attacks. And that's a Dragonite trained by the League Champion, not just some random wild one that doesn't even fight anything except to occasionally catch some small weak thing to eat, or keep from being eaten by a rampaging Gyarados, or something.
I see no reason to believe that a Pikachu's weak-ass electrical attacks that can't even kill an ordinary human could just magically happen to stop Goku's heart, especially considering that he has been hit by an electrical attack before (used by Master Roshi, I think it was the Bankoku Bikkuri-Shou or something like that... I don't see it mentioned often so I might have the name mixed up a bit) and that didn't do anything like that.
I also don't see any reason to assume that Dragonball characters magically have no resistance whatsoever to any form of attack other than physical blows and "plain energy blast" just because hardly anyone in the series uses any other type of attack. Nobody panics when they see Dabura using fire; it's Dabura's use of magic in general (not specifically fire-based magic) that makes him "a little more trouble than expected," but it's still not enough that Gohan can't put up a fight or that Goku and Vegeta can't sit back and watch like Gohan's still not really in too much danger. If the Z-Warriors had this weird and inexplicable lack of any resistance to anything besides normal ki blasts, I'd think someone would've mentioned that when Dabura started breathing fire and launching exploding magic fireballs around, rather than Goku's "oh hey, he uses magic too, that might make him a little tougher than I thought" (which neither Vegeta or the East Kaioshin says anything much in addition to. You'd think "hey, watch out, that fire's going to hurt you a lot more than regular ki blasts" would be something the constantly-worried-that-the-Saiyans-won't-be-able-to-handle-things Kaioshin would think to mention if it was true.)
Kiyza wrote:While I can't say anything on Pikachu's behalf, I can tell you that a Raichu is capable of letting loose 100,000 volts of electricity, which could very easily kill a human being.
dprez wrote:Makes you think that a well trained Tyranitar could be impervious to Goku's punches. Tyranitar can destroy a mountain while Goku couldn't even move that massive boulder until after his Roshi training, which is the level of strength he is here.
<Taku128> Rocketman you fuck
Rocketman wrote:rereboy wrote:That's too much real science applied to these works of fiction.
Then tell them to stop going HURP DURP FORCE = MASS X VELOCITY THUS GOKU IS ELEVENTY FIVE BILLIONS SUPERNOVARS
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Zephyr wrote:Master Chief vs Goku at the beginning of the manga?
GOku, he'll bend Chief's gun and use it against him.
Gonstead wrote:DBZAOTA482 wrote:Zephyr wrote:Master Chief vs Goku at the beginning of the manga?
GOku, he'll bend Chief's gun and use it against him.
You do know that guns isn't only what the Chief has, right?
shonenhikada wrote:DBZAOTA482 wrote:shonenhikada wrote:Goku vs Thor.
Thor. He's a god.
Kami's a god to your point ?
Zephyr wrote:Master Chief vs Goku at the beginning of the manga?
To back him up a bit here, Thor is a remarkably powerful character beyond his divine status, something I've learned pretty well from reading his comics over the past few months. (unless you're talking about the movie version of Thor, who would, by all accounts, lose horribly) He's excellent at deflecting and absorbing energy with Mjolnir, which would be quite useful in a fight with a Dragon Ball character, he's been known to lift snakes the size of planets, (albeit that was quite a long time ago and he's rarely portrayed as that powerful these days, but he's still quite strong physically) and can move and react at speeds faster than light. That's really just scratching the surface.
Personally, I'd wager Goku wouldn't last too terribly long.
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