Can Two Halves Make A Whole?

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Can Two Halves Make A Whole?

Post by Pain » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:45 pm

This thought has recently crossed my mind. In the event that two half Saiya-Jin were to have a child, what would it be? Would it be a whole Saiya-Jin? Would it be something completely new? Would it be less than a half Saiya-Jin, in the odd event of that being possible? Or would it just be another half Saiya-Jin? What do you guys think?
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Post by Zuhalter2000 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:54 pm

It would be half. Two half breed would not make a pure breed.
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Post by jda95 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:02 am

In theory yes. But then you would have two wholes, a Pure Saiyan and a Pure Human. :wink:

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Post by Innagadadavida » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:13 am

I would say that genetics don't work that way... But what the hell, this is Dragon Ball. A show where to species from different corners are the universe not only have the same immune, digestive, and just about every other system, but are also reproductively compatible with one another.

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Post by Pain » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:17 am

jda95 wrote:In theory yes. But then you would have two wholes, a Pure Saiyan and a Pure Human. :wink:
Would that being be superior?

NOTE: In the back of my mind, I'd think that if they had twins, one would be a whole Saiya-Jin and the other would be a human. I just can't see any of this making logical sense, though.
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Re: Can Two Halves Make A Whole?

Post by Bussani » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:19 am

Pain wrote:This thought has recently crossed my mind. In the event that two half Saiya-Jin were to have a child, what would it be? Would it be a whole Saiya-Jin? Would it be something completely new? Would it be less than a half Saiya-Jin, in the odd event of that being possible? Or would it just be another half Saiya-Jin? What do you guys think?
Going by normal genetics (if I remember right), the child would be half Saiyajin just like the parents. It works something like this.

Human-Saiyajin + Human-Saiyajin = Human-Human-Saiyajin-Saiyajin (aka still half n half)

The human blood can't just vanish. To be more confusing, what if a 1/4 Saiyajin and a full Saiyajin had a child?

Human-Human-Human-Saiyajin (1/4) + Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin = Human-Human-Human-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin (3/8 human)

Can anyone verify if I'm thinking correctly here?

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Post by Freeza Heika » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:19 am

2 half-saiyan, half-human could create any number of things. It could be pure human, pure Saiyan, 3/4 human, 3/4 Saiyan, 17/308 human, well... you get the picture...It depends on if either human genes or Saiyan genes are dominant over the other and pure chance.
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Re: Can Two Halves Make A Whole?

Post by jda95 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:09 am

Bussani wrote:
Pain wrote:This thought has recently crossed my mind. In the event that two half Saiya-Jin were to have a child, what would it be? Would it be a whole Saiya-Jin? Would it be something completely new? Would it be less than a half Saiya-Jin, in the odd event of that being possible? Or would it just be another half Saiya-Jin? What do you guys think?
Going by normal genetics (if I remember right), the child would be half Saiyajin just like the parents. It works something like this.

Human-Saiyajin + Human-Saiyajin = Human-Human-Saiyajin-Saiyajin (aka still half n half)

The human blood can't just vanish. To be more confusing, what if a 1/4 Saiyajin and a full Saiyajin had a child?

Human-Human-Human-Saiyajin (1/4) + Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin = Human-Human-Human-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin (3/8 human)

Can anyone verify if I'm thinking correctly here?
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Re: Can Two Halves Make A Whole?

Post by Pain » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:14 am

Bussani wrote:
Pain wrote:This thought has recently crossed my mind. In the event that two half Saiya-Jin were to have a child, what would it be? Would it be a whole Saiya-Jin? Would it be something completely new? Would it be less than a half Saiya-Jin, in the odd event of that being possible? Or would it just be another half Saiya-Jin? What do you guys think?
Going by normal genetics (if I remember right), the child would be half Saiyajin just like the parents. It works something like this.

Human-Saiyajin + Human-Saiyajin = Human-Human-Saiyajin-Saiyajin (aka still half n half)

The human blood can't just vanish. To be more confusing, what if a 1/4 Saiyajin and a full Saiyajin had a child?

Human-Human-Human-Saiyajin (1/4) + Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin = Human-Human-Human-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin-Saiyajin (3/8 human)

Can anyone verify if I'm thinking correctly here?
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Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:12 am

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Re: Can Two Halves Make A Whole?

Post by Pain » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:58 am

Metalwario64 wrote:Please excuse that goo that has landed on your screen... That was my brain.
You aren't the only one. :lol:
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Post by MCDaveG » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:26 am

I can't answer this question, and I think that nobody can answer it, since the natural answer on this series of question that everybody asks doesn't exist in Dragon Ball universe, so I think it's pointless to discussing it further.
Lot of users herfe already made a lots of theories, but it's impossible to push it more and more....
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Post by Bussani » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:42 am

MCDaveG wrote:I can't answer this question, and I think that nobody can answer it, since the natural answer on this series of question that everybody asks doesn't exist in Dragon Ball universe, so I think it's pointless to discussing it further.
Lot of users herfe already made a lots of theories, but it's impossible to push it more and more....
Eh? Logically it seems to work the same way as normal genetics. Gohan is half-Saiyajin, Pan is a quarter. There's no reason to assume it wouldn't follow this normal method.

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Post by The Time Traveller » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:57 am

It depends on which chromosomes are superior, if the Saiyan chromosomes dominate the human ones, then it could be a pure Saiyan. And if they had twins, there's a possibility that one would be human and the other would be Saiyan.

Something similar to that really happened, two half-caste people had twins, one of the twins was darker skinned, the other was white, and had blond hair.

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Post by Bussani » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:06 am

The Time Traveller wrote:It depends on which chromosomes are superior, if the Saiyan chromosomes dominate the human ones, then it could be a pure Saiyan. And if they had twins, there's a possibility that one would be human and the other would be Saiyan.

I can reflect on this with something that really happened, two half-caste people had twins, one of the twins was darker skinned, the other was white, and had blond hair.
But those are just features, like Trunks having human-style hair. Surely genetically both children are half-caste?

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Post by The Time Traveller » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:20 am

Maybe half as in 99%-1%...?

They'll be hybrids then, I guess >.>

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Post by Bussani » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:05 am

Well, I've been looking into it a little further. It's probably not as simple and straight forward as I put it. Since you inherit a random bunch of DNA from both parents, it might be possible, just very improbable, to get a full Saiyajin from two halflings.

If you imagine it as two jars of jelly beans, one filled with 100 human jelly beans, the other with 100 Saiyajin jelly beans, then no matter what if you took 50 from each you'd get a child with 50 Saiyajin and 50 human.

But if you had two jars that were each a perfect balance of 50 and 50, shook them up, then took 50 from each, you could end up with less than a perfect balance. Theoretically even 100 Saiyajin...or 100 human even?

Maybe someone like Rocketman can tell us. He seems to know about this stuff.

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Post by TheLastSaiyan » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:53 am

It definitely would suck if you ended up as the full-blooded human.
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Post by SweetCosmicPope » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:43 am

Bussani wrote:Well, I've been looking into it a little further. It's probably not as simple and straight forward as I put it. Since you inherit a random bunch of DNA from both parents, it might be possible, just very improbable, to get a full Saiyajin from two halflings.

If you imagine it as two jars of jelly beans, one filled with 100 human jelly beans, the other with 100 Saiyajin jelly beans, then no matter what if you took 50 from each you'd get a child with 50 Saiyajin and 50 human.

But if you had two jars that were each a perfect balance of 50 and 50, shook them up, then took 50 from each, you could end up with less than a perfect balance. Theoretically even 100 Saiyajin...or 100 human even?

Maybe someone like Rocketman can tell us. He seems to know about this stuff.
Not exactly that black and white, but that's essentially it.

It all comes down to dominant and recessive traits. Theoretically, you could have a full human from this, as well.

The bigger issue is not where they come from, but what dominant genes in a saiyan makes them different from a human. By breeding a half-breed with a half-breed, you would technically produce a half-breed saiyan. Whether or not they can take advantage of the saiyan "powers" is determined by which genes are dominant.

Let's assume that to have been born with a tail is a prerequisite for taking advantage of saiyan DNA.

You can make a chart to see your chances of this happening. We'll assume both parents had tails.

The top of the chart represents the father, and the left of the chart represents the mother. Chart the top with an upper-case "A" and a lower-case "a." Chart the side with a upper-case "B" and a lower case "b." See where the correlate, where the dominate trait is represented by the upper case letter. You'll find that the half-saiyan child has a 75 % chance of being born with a tail.
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Post by Freeza Heika » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:25 pm

We're all talking about inheritance of traits. This is the inheritence of a species. Considering that one of the things that separates species is the inability to breed outside their species (with rare exception that isn't sterile), it's safe to assume that real-world biology doesn't apply.
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