Did you guys know this? (Androids 17 and 18)

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Did you guys know this? (Androids 17 and 18)

Post by DBZFanGirl1 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:16 am

That, Android 18 and 17 were once humans, they were runaways and got kidnapped by Dr. Gero and got turned into cyborgs. I thought he just made them from scratch, wow do i feel dumb >< :shock:
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Post by Amigo Ten » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:19 am

Okay, first of all, http://i31.tinypic.com/vpdfh5.jpg , Please use it.

Second, yeah. I'm sure it's explained in the series.

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Post by DBZFanGirl1 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:22 am

Yeah, I didnt here them say it exactly like that in the series. I didnt know they were runaways either, so yeah.
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Re: Did you guys know this? (its about android 17 and 18)

Post by Metalwario64 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:09 am

DBZFanGirl1 wrote:That, Android 18 and 17 were once humans, they were runaways and got kidnapped by Dr. Gero and got turned into cyborgs. I thought he just made them from scratch, wow do i feel dumb >< :shock:
...I take it you've never watched the Artificial Human arc and onward in Japanese?...
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Re: Did you guys know this? (its about android 17 and 18)

Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:12 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
DBZFanGirl1 wrote:That, Android 18 and 17 were once humans, they were runaways and got kidnapped by Dr. Gero and got turned into cyborgs. I thought he just made them from scratch, wow do i feel dumb >< :shock:
...I take it you've never watched the Artificial Human arc and onward in Japanese?...
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Re: Did you guys know this? (its about android 17 and 18)

Post by Kendamu » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:36 am

DBZFanGirl1 wrote:That, Android 18 and 17 were once humans, they were runaways and got kidnapped by Dr. Gero and got turned into cyborgs. I thought he just made them from scratch, wow do i feel dumb >< :shock:
That's what happens when we just casually refer to them as Androids instead of Artificial Humans. It implies that they're all completely machine. There are plenty of Artificial Humans who actually are androids, though.
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Post by Amigo Ten » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:46 am

I always talk about them as androids, despite always (as far as I can remember) knowing they were augmented humans. I'm just used to the names Android #17 and Android #18. I always use either #17 and #18 or "the androids".

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Post by Kendamu » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:49 am

Depending on which # I was talking about, I would either say "Android" or "Cyborg."
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Post by Amigo Ten » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:51 am

I use androids for all of them. Force of habit.

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Post by Thanos » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:51 am

Yeah, this is mentioned about the Jinzoningens during the series by (I think) Juuhachigo (#18 ).

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Post by linkdude20002001 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:52 am

Hello, DBZFanGirl1! Welcome to the forums! :D

It's been a LONG time since I've seen the dub of those episodes, but I don't think they ONCE mentioned them being humans or runaways. Which is really annoying. Everyone I talk to thinks they're androids and say things like "How can 18 have a kid? She's an ANDROID!". It's so frustrating trying to explain to them how she can have children when they refuse to believe me when I tell them she's a cyborg. This is exactly why they need to re-dub the series.

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Post by Kendamu » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:56 am

Thanos wrote:Yeah, this is mentioned about the Jinzoningens during the series by (I think) Juuhachigo (#18 ).
Krillin says something to Goku about it at one point, too, because Goku's confused as to how robots can have babies. Apparently he didn't know she was a cyborg, either. :D
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Re: Did you guys know this? (its about android 17 and 18)

Post by Herms » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:13 am

Kendamu wrote:That's what happens when we just casually refer to them as Androids instead of Artificial Humans. It implies that they're all completely machine. There are plenty of Artificial Humans who actually are androids, though.
"Artificial human" isn't any better though, because it implies that they're, well, artificial, which implies that they were made from scratch rather than simply modified. Even in Japanese, jinzou-ningen is an unusual word to use to refer to them; it should really be kaizou-ningen/"restructured human".

While it is said in the series that No.17 and No.18 were originally humans, the backstory about them being delinquents who had the misfortune of running into Gero when he needed fresh material is only mentioned by Toriyama in Daizenshuu 7.
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Post by dragondyle » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:47 am

Does anyone know their Human names before the conversion?
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Post by Herms » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:58 am

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Re: Did you guys know this? (its about android 17 and 18)

Post by Metalwario64 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:30 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
DBZFanGirl1 wrote:That, Android 18 and 17 were once humans, they were runaways and got kidnapped by Dr. Gero and got turned into cyborgs. I thought he just made them from scratch, wow do i feel dumb >< :shock:
...I take it you've never watched the Artificial Human arc and onward in Japanese?...
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Re: Did you guys know this? (its about android 17 and 18)

Post by Kendamu » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:07 am

Herms wrote:
Kendamu wrote:That's what happens when we just casually refer to them as Androids instead of Artificial Humans. It implies that they're all completely machine. There are plenty of Artificial Humans who actually are androids, though.
"Artificial human" isn't any better though, because it implies that they're, well, artificial, which implies that they were made from scratch rather than simply modified. Even in Japanese, jinzou-ningen is an unusual word to use to refer to them; it should really be kaizou-ningen/"restructured human".

While it is said in the series that No.17 and No.18 were originally humans, the backstory about them being delinquents who had the misfortune of running into Gero when he needed fresh material is only mentioned by Toriyama in Daizenshuu 7.
Just goes to show how much more I need to study Japanese. I always interpreted Jinzouningen as kind of a vague term that the Japanese language and culture is known for.
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Post by Rory » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:27 am

"You're not 17!! We hated Gero for turning us into cyborgs!!"
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Post by Thanos » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:41 pm

I'm waiting for Toriyama to reveal the names of #17 and #18 to be like... Scott and Jessica or something. :D

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