The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by AvatarReiko » Mon May 22, 2017 1:00 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:
Vegetes wrote: I find it VERY hard time believing that the base saiyans can't beat Frieza by the Buu ark.
It's not up for debate really, berrus said it loud and clear
Current Base Saiyans are way stronger than Namek Frieza. Copy Vegeta decimated SSJ3 Gotenks in base.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Mon May 22, 2017 1:01 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:
Vegetes wrote: I find it VERY hard time believing that the base saiyans can't beat Frieza by the Buu ark.
It's not up for debate really, berrus said it loud and clear
Current Base Saiyans are way stronger than Namek Frieza. Copy Vegeta decimated SSJ3 Gotenks in base.
We are talking about beginning of super goku
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Mon May 22, 2017 4:33 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Strongest character current Kuririn can beat in a non tournament fight?
I don't know. Probably Second Form Frieza?
Vegetes wrote:Good Buu vs super Perfect Cell
Good Buu wins. Not only he has better regeneration, but he also proved to resist better against Kid Buu than what SSJ2 Vegeta did, and SSJ2 Vegeta is probably around the same tier or stronger than Cell.
Vegetes wrote:Base super Vegeta(vs semi perfect cell) Vs Frieza.

Base cell Games Goku vs Frieza.

Base Cell Games teen Gohan vs Frieza.

Base Buu saga Goku vs Frieza.
I think the answer for these ones are obvious. Frieza wins.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Mon May 22, 2017 6:39 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:SS goku black vs SS Gotenks
So.. anybody knows?
Goku Black
dragonball0900 wrote:
AvatarReiko wrote:Current Gohan vs Jenemba
Current SSJ2 Goku vs Buuhan
I have Current Gohan winning the first one.
Buuhan wins the second one.
ZombieVito wrote:
AvatarReiko wrote:Current Gohan vs Jenemba
Current SSJ2 Goku vs Buuhan
Gohan points and Janemba disappears.
Buuhan toys for a few moments, realizes Goku is a bug and kills him.
Shouldn't the ssj that fought Beerus be above Buuhan? Which would mean current ssj2 Goku should be also above Buuhan. Though I will agree it seems toei forgot this.
Strongest character current Kuririn can beat in a non tournament fight?
Maybe one of the members of the Ginyu force.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Mon May 22, 2017 7:19 pm

dragon boss z wrote:
Shouldn't the ssj that fought Beerus be above Buuhan? Which would mean current ssj2 Goku should be also above Buuhan. Though I will agree it seems toei forgot this.
Strongest character current Kuririn can beat in a non tournament fight?
Maybe one of the members of the Ginyu force.
No. Goku during BoG had the power of SSG in him, he wouldn't get stronger even if he transformed into SSJ3. Current SSJ2 Goku is only moderately stronger than his pre god SSJ2 self since he only uses SSG power in his SbG and SSB forms.

Kuririn surpassed all the members (sans Ginyu) while fighting Freeza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue May 23, 2017 3:11 am

ZombieVito wrote:
No. Goku during BoG had the power of SSG in him, he wouldn't get stronger even if he transformed into SSJ3. Current SSJ2 Goku is only moderately stronger than his pre god SSJ2 self since he only uses SSG power in his SbG and SSB forms.
This would make sense, but since when was it stated he lost the power of a god? Are you saying after his fight with Beerus he went down in power? If he did get weaker, then why was his base stronger than ssj Gohan and Piccolo during RoF. And why did base copy Vegeta one shot ssj3 Gotenks? But I agree it seems this way during the U6 tournament and the Black arc that Goku and Vegeta are just a bit stronger than they were in the Buu saga, but I think this just comes down to inconsistent writing.
Kuririn surpassed all the members (sans Ginyu) while fighting Freeza.
This is never stated in the manga and wouldn't make much sense. Krillin was stated to have a power level of just over 10,000 while fighting Recoome. The fight with Frieza was that same day. I doubt Krillin got 4 times stronger in that time. And there is no evidence he did.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Vegetes » Tue May 23, 2017 11:54 am

Super Saiyan Blue four Goku(black ark) vs Vegito Blue(black ark).

Ssjb, Golden,Great ape, Cell vs 1% Whis.

Base Buu ark Goku * 20 Kaioken vs Frieza.

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Post by ZombieVito » Tue May 23, 2017 2:35 pm

dragon boss z wrote: This would make sense, but since when was it stated he lost the power of a god? Are you saying after his fight with Beerus he went down in power? If he did get weaker, then why was his base stronger than ssj Gohan and Piccolo during RoF. And why did base copy Vegeta one shot ssj3 Gotenks? But I agree it seems this way during the U6 tournament and the Black arc that Goku and Vegeta are just a bit stronger than they were in the Buu saga, but I think this just comes down to inconsistent writing.
Kuririn surpassed all the members (sans Ginyu) while fighting Freeza.
This is never stated in the manga and wouldn't make much sense. Krillin was stated to have a power level of just over 10,000 while fighting Recoome. The fight with Frieza was that same day. I doubt Krillin got 4 times stronger in that time. And there is no evidence he did.
Because they are in their Saiyan beyond God form in those instances.

Kuririn was already shown stronger an hour later while fighting Ginyu and Vegeta later says he is getting stronger. Nothing contradicts his official 75,000 figure while fighting Freeza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Tue May 23, 2017 5:09 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:SS goku black vs SS Gotenks
Interesting match.
So, we know that Black Goku (base), in the manga, was far stronger than Ssj2 Trunks. The latter at his maximum power forced Ssj3 Goku to turn Ssj God, and as Vegeta said he powered up that much that he almost reached the power of a Ssj3.
Now, assuming that Ssj3 Goku (manga) is probably only slighlty stronger than he was during the Buu saga, I'd say that Ssj2 Trunks is already stronger than Ssj Gotenks, who can't stand a chance against Ssj Black.

Ssj Black >> Black >> Ssj2 Future Trunks >> Ssj Gotenks.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue May 23, 2017 5:45 pm

Vegetes wrote:Super Saiyan Blue four Goku(black ark) vs Vegito Blue(black ark).

Ssjb, Golden,Great ape, Cell vs 1% Whis.

Base Buu ark Goku * 20 Kaioken vs Frieza.
I can't answer the first 2. But the last question I think it's right to say that Buu arc Goku with just a simple Kaioken X2 can beat Frieza. Kaioken X20 would get him to a level around the Cell Games SSJ's, and would be an overkill.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue May 23, 2017 7:05 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Because they are in their Saiyan beyond God form in those instances.
While the saiyan beyond god theory would make more sense out of the series, it is never stated to be a real thing in the actual show itself.
Kuririn was already shown stronger an hour later while fighting Ginyu and Vegeta later says he is getting stronger. Nothing contradicts his official 75,000 figure while fighting Freeza.
Nothing contradicts the 75,000 number, but that number comes from a source that has other numbers that do contradict the manga. The 75,000 number is not from the daizenshuu.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue May 23, 2017 7:10 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:SS goku black vs SS Gotenks
Interesting match.
So, we know that Black Goku (base), in the manga, was far stronger than Ssj2 Trunks. The latter at his maximum power forced Ssj3 Goku to turn Ssj God, and as Vegeta said he powered up that much that he almost reached the power of a Ssj3.
Now, assuming that Ssj3 Goku (manga) is probably only slighlty stronger than he was during the Buu saga, I'd say that Ssj2 Trunks is already stronger than Ssj Gotenks, who can't stand a chance against Ssj Black.

Ssj Black >> Black >> Ssj2 Future Trunks >> Ssj Gotenks.
Isn't the ssj2 Trunks that rivaled ssj3 Goku actually a even more powered up form of ssj2? We don't know if that's the form he used against base black, and Trunks did state he fought ssj Black before. Also ssj2 Vegeta was beating base and ssj Black, and I doubt ssj 2 Vegeta is above ssj3 Goku and if he is above ssj3 Goku, he can't be so much above that he can beat ssj black, while Goku can't even beat base Black.

so maybe it's like this

ssj Gotenks<ssj2 Trunks<base Black<powered up ssj2 Trunks<ssj Black<ssj2 Vegeta<ssj3 Goku

but I agree ssj Black definitely beats ssj Gotenks.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue May 23, 2017 8:40 pm

Vegetes wrote:Super Saiyan Blue four Goku(black ark) vs Vegito Blue(black ark).
Considering SSB Goku melted half of fused Zamsu's body off in the anime, and master SSB in the manga which allowed him to fight evenly with fused Zamsu, I'm going to say if SSB4 existed it would beat SSB Vegito.
Ssjb, Golden,Great ape, Cell vs 1% Whis.
Cell should stomp with that many transformations.
Base Buu ark Goku * 20 Kaioken vs Frieza.
Wow one that makes sense! lol
Goku wins. Goku would only of needed to get 2x stronger to beat 100% Frieza with kaioken x20. Unless you mean current Frieza, in which he would lose.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue May 23, 2017 9:17 pm

Merged Zamasu [Power stressed form] vs Beerus.
SSB Vegetto [No time limit] vs Champa.
Gowasu vs Semi-Perfect Cell.
Roh vs Android 16.
Botamo [No special ability] vs Freeza [Namek; 50% of full power].

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue May 23, 2017 9:39 pm

Android Arc Humans, Chiaotzu, Yamcha and Tien, run the Gauntlet. Each human fights individually against an opponent (the shin kikoho is not allowed for Tien):

vs Nappa

vs Goku (Saiyan Arc, no kaioken)

vs Guldo

vs Krillin (13,000)

vs Gohan (14,000)

vs Cui

vs Dodoria

vs Zarbon

vs Vegeta (Zenkai)

vs Nail

vs Recoome/Burter/Jeice

vs Krillin (Frieza arc)

vs Goku (Ginyu arc, no Kaioken)

vs Captain Ginyu

vs Gohan (Frieza arc, zenkai, no enraged)

vs Vegeta (1st Form Frieza battle)

vs First Form Frieza

vs Second Form Frieza

Will one of them manage to pass all up until the end? Will they fail to do it? Post your thoughts.

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed May 24, 2017 10:00 am

[spoiler]Future Pan

, unveiled Super Saiyan Rosé,




Goku Black: 95.96 billion

Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black: 107 billion[/spoiler]

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Vegetes » Wed May 24, 2017 11:58 am

dragonball0900 wrote:Android Arc Humans, Chiaotzu, Yamcha and Tien, run the Gauntlet. Each human fights individually against an opponent (the shin kikoho is not allowed for Tien):

vs Nappa

vs Goku (Saiyan Arc, no kaioken)

vs Guldo

vs Krillin (13,000)

vs Gohan (14,000)

vs Cui

vs Dodoria

vs Zarbon

vs Vegeta (Zenkai)

vs Nail

vs Recoome/Burter/Jeice

vs Krillin (Frieza arc)

vs Goku (Ginyu arc, no Kaioken)

vs Captain Ginyu

vs Gohan (Frieza arc, zenkai, no enraged)

vs Vegeta (1st Form Frieza battle)

vs First Form Frieza

vs Second Form Frieza

Will one of them manage to pass all up until the end? Will they fail to do it? Post your thoughts.

1.Stomps

2.Stomps

3.Destroys

4.stomps

5.stomps

6.yamcha, has a difficult time, Chioutzu; slightly more so than Yamcha, Tien stomps

7.Yamcha wins, and Chioutzu too,Tien stomps

8.Yamcha Barely loses,maybe same for Chioutzu,Tien wins

Tien Goes from Ginyu-second form Frieza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Vegetes » Wed May 24, 2017 12:01 pm

I don't like the idea of a DBZ Character vs an out of Universe Character, But

Super Buu vs Doomsday(DC)

Buuhan vs Doomsday

Buuhan(Gotenks active) Vs Doomsday

Buugito(Gohan,Gotenks, and Piccolo also absorbed) vs Doomsday.

Buu can't turn Doomsday into candy, and Doomsday can't Evolve or revive.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Wed May 24, 2017 3:51 pm

Slave Knight gale vs roshi..

Roshi is rof coz current wreaks buuhan no problem kind if over exaggerating, but will it stay an exaggeration...
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