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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:08 pm

Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rage Trunk - Who is the strongest hybrid saiyan?

Golden Frieza (ToP) vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Golden Frieza (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Toppo (regular form)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:20 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rage Trunk - Who is the strongest hybrid saiyan?

Golden Frieza (ToP) vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Golden Frieza (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Toppo (regular form)
- This has been done many times, my answer's still the same. Trunks stomps him.
- Golden Freeza is far stronger, but Hit put up a much better fight than Freeza against Hit. In death match, the U6 assassin takes it.
- Same as above. Plus Black should be weaker than Hit.
- This is another popular fight... and once again, my answer remains the same: Toppo cannot beat Black Goku.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:49 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:- Same as above. Plus Black should be weaker than Hit.
- This is another popular fight... and once again, my answer remains the same: Toppo cannot beat Black Goku.
I don't understand either of these answers. Why would Black be weaker than Hit? Why would Toppo have no chance against Black?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:36 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rage Trunk - Who is the strongest hybrid saiyan?

Golden Frieza (ToP) vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Golden Frieza (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Toppo (regular form)
- Rage Trunks slices him up like he did to Freeza in a death match. In a non-death match Trunks still wins but with more difficulty.
- Hit stomps Golden Freeza, pretty badly
- Hit wins in a death battle, however, in a non-death match Black would win
- Golden Freeza is stronger, but Black would win in the end
- Base Toppo would win with high difficulty

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:56 pm

All fights are anime only

UI Omen Black vs Jiren (no awakened form)
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-ROSAT) vs SSBKKx10 Goku (U6 arc)
Base Kefla vs Golden Freeza (RoF arc)
SSJ3 Goku (early Android arc, no heart virus) vs Kamicollo
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
Base Vegito (Buu arc) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
2nd Omen Goku vs SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu
SSJ1 Vegeta (Buu arc) vs Perfect Cell
Turles (one apple) vs 2nd form Freeza (Namek arc)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kataphrut » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:33 am

zarmack wrote:All fights are anime only

UI Omen Black vs Jiren (no awakened form)
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-ROSAT) vs SSBKKx10 Goku (U6 arc)
Base Kefla vs Golden Freeza (RoF arc)
SSJ3 Goku (early Android arc, no heart virus) vs Kamicollo
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
Base Vegito (Buu arc) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
2nd Omen Goku vs SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu
SSJ1 Vegeta (Buu arc) vs Perfect Cell
Turles (one apple) vs 2nd form Freeza (Namek arc)
Jiren, moderate difficulty.
Goku. Times ten is times ten.
Kefla. She struggles until Freeza burns himself out.
I'm actually gonna give this to Piccolo. Assuming Goku hasn't trained in the time chamber or in the afterlife, this SS3 form would burn him out after barely a minute.
Same as above, Fat Buu wins.
Vegetto stomps his unfused kid self.
Omen Goku.
Zamasu. Vegetto in Blue couldn't muster enough power to destroy him in time, Vegetto in God certainly won't even if he's gotten stronger.
Hard to say. Vegeta certainly thought he could handle the equally strong Dabura, but I'm assuming that meant with Super Saiyan 2. I'll say Vegeta wins with high difficulty since he's basically holding back.
I haven't watched Tree of Might in ages and I don't care enough to go back and check Turles' feats. I'll say Freeza takes it, Turles couldn't have been much stronger than Saiyan saga Vegeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:23 am

Kataphrut wrote:
zarmack wrote:All fights are anime only

UI Omen Black vs Jiren (no awakened form)
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-ROSAT) vs SSBKKx10 Goku (U6 arc)
Base Kefla vs Golden Freeza (RoF arc)
SSJ3 Goku (early Android arc, no heart virus) vs Kamicollo
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
Base Vegito (Buu arc) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
2nd Omen Goku vs SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu
SSJ1 Vegeta (Buu arc) vs Perfect Cell
Turles (one apple) vs 2nd form Freeza (Namek arc)
Jiren, moderate difficulty.
Goku. Times ten is times ten.
Kefla. She struggles until Freeza burns himself out.
I'm actually gonna give this to Piccolo. Assuming Goku hasn't trained in the time chamber or in the afterlife, this SS3 form would burn him out after barely a minute.
Same as above, Fat Buu wins.
Vegetto stomps his unfused kid self.
Omen Goku.
Zamasu. Vegetto in Blue couldn't muster enough power to destroy him in time, Vegetto in God certainly won't even if he's gotten stronger.
Hard to say. Vegeta certainly thought he could handle the equally strong Dabura, but I'm assuming that meant with Super Saiyan 2. I'll say Vegeta wins with high difficulty since he's basically holding back.
I haven't watched Tree of Might in ages and I don't care enough to go back and check Turles' feats. I'll say Freeza takes it, Turles couldn't have been much stronger than Saiyan saga Vegeta.
Goku Black was stated by Toei to be the strongest non-fused character below the GoDs (and this was before he pulled out his scythe), meaning he was stronger than U6 arc Hit and SSBKKx10 Goku from the same period. Vegeta after 6 months of training was able to stomp Black, meaning he also surpassed Hit and Goku from the U6 arc.

Base Goku in Tree of Might had power level of 30,000 and he also had the ability to use KKx20 without much strain on his body, making his max power level 600,000. Yet, Turles after eating just one apple was able to stomp this Goku like nothing. Meaning he is way stronger than anything in the Saiyan arc.

As for the rest, your right.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:46 pm

zarmack wrote:All fights are anime only

UI Omen Black vs Jiren (no awakened form)
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-ROSAT) vs SSBKKx10 Goku (U6 arc)
Base Kefla vs Golden Freeza (RoF arc)
SSJ3 Goku (early Android arc, no heart virus) vs Kamicollo
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
Base Vegito (Buu arc) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
2nd Omen Goku vs SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu
SSJ1 Vegeta (Buu arc) vs Perfect Cell
Turles (one apple) vs 2nd form Freeza (Namek arc)

R1 : Black, due to Is base being a god Tier
R2: vegeta, ad state in vjump che and Pre fusion goku black rosé were the strongest god excluded
R3: kefla fucking stomps cause
ROF ssb <<black arc ssb<<tdp god
R4: ssj3 would be around x4 stronger
R5: fat buu, but not by much if is ssj3 Gohan + rage, if is ssj3 standard Gohan , buu stomps
R6: goku stomps. Since m2, in gt EVERYONE has surpassed ssj vegetto from z
R6: I can go with post tdp goku with absolutely no problems
R7: tdp god vegetto stomps
R8: vegeta stomp perfect cell, bit would be a bit weaker gohan super perfect cell
R9: freezer stomps, tullace was surprised by a kkx10 goku that was like 300k power level wise.Even if he dominated him, tullace wasn't more than 360k o fruit, otherwise he would have oneshotted goku

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:50 pm

New match:

- Copy Vegeta vs. Golden Ape Vegetto
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:03 pm

Noah wrote:New match:

- Copy Vegeta vs. Golden Ape Vegetto
copy vegeta = Beyond god vegeta = god vegeta >>>>(…)>ssj3 great ape vegetto

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:28 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rage Trunk - Who is the strongest hybrid saiyan?

Golden Frieza (ToP) vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Golden Frieza (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Toppo (regular form)
r1 : hit via time cage
r2 : hit rapes via time kage, wins high diff without it
r3 : freezer would win mid/high diff without Golden, with Golden stomps
r4: regular toppo stomps

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:15 pm

p-hyvo wrote:
Noah wrote:New match:

- Copy Vegeta vs. Golden Ape Vegetto
copy vegeta = Beyond god vegeta = god vegeta >>>>(…)>ssj3 great ape vegetto
"Beyond God Vegeta" isn't a thing dude. They just had that stuff in the RoF movie but not in Super

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:41 pm

New Hypothetical Question
How strong would Future Trunks (from his arc) be if he had his potential unlocked by Elder Kaioshin?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by p-hyvo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:04 pm

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p-hyvo wrote:
Noah wrote:New match:

- Copy Vegeta vs. Golden Ape Vegetto
copy vegeta = Beyond god vegeta = god vegeta >>>>(…)>ssj3 great ape vegetto
"Beyond God Vegeta" isn't a thing dude. They just had that stuff in the RoF movie but not in Super

Beyond god was a thing in rof, there not in champa arc, there it was again during potafeu arc, then no again in black Goku arc, then again in the recruitment phase for the tdp when Goku picked up freezer, then no once more during tdp

it brings a lot of confusion kek. Goku was undesputely Beyond god while recruiting freezer, or freezer as a god tier at tdp would be unexplaneable otherwise

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:10 pm

p-hyvo wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
p-hyvo wrote:
copy vegeta = Beyond god vegeta = god vegeta >>>>(…)>ssj3 great ape vegetto
"Beyond God Vegeta" isn't a thing dude. They just had that stuff in the RoF movie but not in Super

Beyond god was a thing in rof, there not in champa arc, there it was again during potafeu arc, then no again in black Goku arc, then again in the recruitment phase for the tdp when Goku picked up freezer, then no once more during tdp

it brings a lot of confusion kek. Goku was undesputely Beyond god while recruiting freezer, or freezer as a god tier at tdp would be unexplaneable otherwise
I have no idea how you arbitrarily try to discern when it was or wasn't used. "Saiyan Beyond God" was described in the RoF movie as being a base with God Ki, and in Super nobody has ever had any issue sensing Base Goku and Vegeta, and the golden SSJ forms still exist. Saiyan Beyond God was clearly retconned in Super. It didn't exist in RoF, or the Champa arc, etc etc. Their Base form is just strong. It is very simple, this is a simple series.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:41 pm

PFM18 wrote:
Zamasu55 wrote:- Same as above. Plus Black should be weaker than Hit.
- This is another popular fight... and once again, my answer remains the same: Toppo cannot beat Black Goku.
I don't understand either of these answers. Why would Black be weaker than Hit? Why would Toppo have no chance against Black?
- Because SsjB Goku already surpassed SsjR Black in the final episodes of the Future Trunks arc, as he overpowered Merged Zamasu's Holy Wrath. Could Black do that? Not in the slightest.
That Goku's pretty much even with Hit in the mini arc. Also, the latter got stronger before the tournament. If you add his killing techniques (Black doesn't know ho to counter them) and the attack he used on Jiren, then it's over before it even begins.
Hit (ToP) brutally murders Black Goku.

- Toppo is slightly weaker than SsjB Goku and Vegeta (who had the upper hand in their little scuffle in the tournament). Plus, unlike Hit, his techniques are not enough powerful to worry Black Goku, whereas the latter has clearly better moves.
Again, Toppo cannot defeat Black unless he clears his mind and destroys him right away.
zarmack wrote:All fights are anime only

UI Omen Black vs Jiren (no awakened form)
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-ROSAT) vs SSBKKx10 Goku (U6 arc)
Base Kefla vs Golden Freeza (RoF arc)
SSJ3 Goku (early Android arc, no heart virus) vs Kamicollo
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
Base Vegito (Buu arc) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
2nd Omen Goku vs SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu
SSJ1 Vegeta (Buu arc) vs Perfect Cell
Turles (one apple) vs 2nd form Freeza (Namek arc)
- Jiren wins as Black Goku's UI would be weaker than Goku's for obvious reasons.
- Vegeta one-shots.
- Golden Freeza is much, much stronger than Base Kefla, and would certainly kill her before he runs out of stamina.
- Pass.
- Gohan.
- Base GT Goku > Kid Bu (slightly); Base Vegito (filler) = Buuhan. Nothing much to say.
- Ultra Instict is just a superior state. No other transformation of Goku's stands a chance against it.
- Merged Zamasu was giving SsjB vegito a hard time. He murderstomps its SsjG version.
- Cell after a great battle.
- Freeza easily.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:50 pm

Wounded Jiren (ep.131) vs Ultimate Gohan (ToP)
SSJ4 Baby vs Nova Shenron
Piccolo (RoF) vs Perfect Cell
SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs Merged Zamasu (halo, no immortality)
Krillin (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek)
SSJ4 Goku (early Android arc) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Base Vegito (Saiyan arc, could use KKx4 if needed) vs 100% Freeza (Namek arc)
SSJ3 Goku (ToP, full stamina) vs SSJ2 Caulifla, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ1 Kale
Android 16 vs Metal Cooler
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs GoD Toppo

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:06 pm

zarmack wrote:Wounded Jiren (ep.131) vs Ultimate Gohan (ToP)
SSJ4 Baby vs Nova Shenron
Piccolo (RoF) vs Perfect Cell
SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs Merged Zamasu (halo, no immortality)
Krillin (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek)
SSJ4 Goku (early Android arc) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Base Vegito (Saiyan arc, could use KKx4 if needed) vs 100% Freeza (Namek arc)
SSJ3 Goku (ToP, full stamina) vs SSJ2 Caulifla, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ1 Kale
Android 16 vs Metal Cooler
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs GoD Toppo
Gohan one shots
Baby
Piccolo
Merged Zamasu one shots
Freeza easily
Goku one-shots
Vegetto takes it
Goku
16 low difficulty
Toppo

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:29 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rage Trunk - Who is the strongest hybrid saiyan?
Golden Frieza (ToP) vs Hit (ToP)
SSJR Goku Black vs Hit (ToP)
SSJR Goku Black vs Golden Frieza (ToP)
SSJR Goku Black vs Toppo (regular form)
-Gohan is stronger in the manga, in the anime Trunks is probably a bit stronger, and he is definitely more ruthless and has a sword.
-Hit due to time skip.
-Hit due to time skip.
-Golden Frieza if he tries to win quickly, but if the fight drags out Black will get stronger while Frieza will get weaker.
-Same as with Frieza, Toppo would start off stronger, but if Black can evolve he can win.
zarmack wrote:All fights are anime only
UI Omen Black vs Jiren (no awakened form)
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-ROSAT) vs SSBKKx10 Goku (U6 arc)
Base Kefla vs Golden Freeza (RoF arc)
SSJ3 Goku (early Android arc, no heart virus) vs Kamicollo
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
Base Vegito (Buu arc) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
2nd Omen Goku vs SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu
SSJ1 Vegeta (Buu arc) vs Perfect Cell
Turles (one apple) vs 2nd form Freeza (Namek arc)
-Jiren
-Goku
-Frieza would start off stronger, but Kefla might be strong enough to outlast Frieza.
-Goku stomps. Ssj2 would be enough.
-Gohan.
-pass
-Omen Goku
-Vegito
-Vegeta, but he would probably lose to super perfect Cell.
-Frieza
zarmack wrote:Wounded Jiren (ep.131) vs Ultimate Gohan (ToP)
SSJ4 Baby vs Nova Shenron
Piccolo (RoF) vs Perfect Cell
SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs Merged Zamasu (halo, no immortality)
Krillin (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek)
SSJ4 Goku (early Android arc) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Base Vegito (Saiyan arc, could use KKx4 if needed) vs 100% Freeza (Namek arc)
SSJ3 Goku (ToP, full stamina) vs SSJ2 Caulifla, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ1 Kale
Android 16 vs Metal Cooler
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs GoD Toppo
-If it's beginning of 131 Jiren stomps, if it's end of 131 Gohan might take it high difficulty, but Jiren could still arguably win.
-pass
-Cell
-Zamasu
-Frieza
-Goku
-Frieza
-Goku
-16 might be stronger, but Cooler can evolve so idk
-Goku

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by zarmack » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:35 pm

PFM18 wrote:
zarmack wrote:Wounded Jiren (ep.131) vs Ultimate Gohan (ToP)
SSJ4 Baby vs Nova Shenron
Piccolo (RoF) vs Perfect Cell
SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs Merged Zamasu (halo, no immortality)
Krillin (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek)
SSJ4 Goku (early Android arc) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Base Vegito (Saiyan arc, could use KKx4 if needed) vs 100% Freeza (Namek arc)
SSJ3 Goku (ToP, full stamina) vs SSJ2 Caulifla, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ1 Kale
Android 16 vs Metal Cooler
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs GoD Toppo
Gohan one shots
Baby
Piccolo
Merged Zamasu one shots
Freeza easily
Goku one-shots
Vegetto takes it
Goku
16 low difficulty
Toppo
Are you sure about these 2? Its highly likely that Vegeta's Final Flash against Jiren (which was likely at least equal to the U7 Spirit Bomb) would have definitely killed a non-immortal, halo-wearing Merged Zamasu (who wasn't at max power until he got the purple arm).

Also, its been confirmed by the writers that SSBKKx20 & SSBE are equal, and SSBE Vegeta surpassed GoD Toppo. So that means........

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