The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ricky84]

Frieza (First Form) from Resurrection F vs. Super Perfect Cell

The only thing we know of First form Freeza is that he is stronger than a rusty SS Gohan and weaker than Boo. It can go either way but I'm thinking Cell is stronger and beats him after a good fight.

There no indication that 1st Form Freeza from RoF is weaker than any Buu, since Buu wasn't in the movie. Considering that 4th Form Freeza in RoF is equal to Goku & Vegeta's post-Whis training bases, and that Freeza's 4th form is a 220x multiplier from his 1st (using Namek Saga PLs as a reference), that would obviously make 1st form Freeza post training way stronger than anything from Z.

[Bullza]

The indication comes from Super and that can be included as well I guess because that is what I took in mind when I made the post. After the Z Fighters sensed Frieza's energy they still thought they'd be alright if Buu was there.

Which creates the implication that Good Buu > Frieza in his First Form so he's probably Super Saiyan 2 level .

[RecolorSaiyan]

1.) Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs RoF Golden Freeza
2.) a17 (dbs manga) vs super vegetto (buu saga)
3.) SSB Vegeta (pre episode 122) vs Base Toppo

[Kaiza_Toshiyuki]

1.) Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs RoF Golden Freeza
2.) a17 (dbs manga) vs super vegetto (buu saga)
3.) SSB Vegeta (pre episode 122) vs Base Toppo

Frieza
17
Vegeta

[ricky84]

1.) Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs RoF Golden Freeza
2.) a17 (dbs manga) vs super vegetto (buu saga)
3.) SSB Vegeta (pre episode 122) vs Base Toppo

Gohan
17
Vegeta

[PFM18]

Frieza (First Form) from Resurrection F vs. Super Perfect Cell

The only thing we know of First form Freeza is that he is stronger than a rusty SS Gohan and weaker than Boo. It can go either way but I'm thinking Cell is stronger and beats him after a good fight.

There no indication that 1st Form Freeza from RoF is weaker than any Buu, since Buu wasn't in the movie. Considering that 4th Form Freeza in RoF is equal to Goku & Vegeta's post-Whis training bases, and that Freeza's 4th form is a 220x multiplier from his 1st (using Namek Saga PLs as a reference), that would obviously make 1st form Freeza post training way stronger than anything from Z.

How the hell does this make their base stronger than anything in Z? Even if you use a 113x multiplier since he ins't buff in his final form in RoF so it would be equivalent to him going from 530K->60M=113x, I still have him around Super Buu level and that fits really well with what we see. Good Buu is at least considered useful and Gohan who is strong enough that his Base is now as strong as Piccolo, is still weaker than 1st Form Freeza as a SSJ but not overwhelmingly so. I am frankly flabbergasted how you could conclude 1/220th of Final Form Freeza's power is enough to clear anything from Z

[Noah]

New matches:

- Super Saiyan 5 (speculated by Bulma) Vegeta (GT) vs. Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta (RoF)

- 100% FP Jiren vs. 50% Whis

[PFM18]

New matches:

- Super Saiyan 5 (speculated by Bulma) Vegeta (GT) vs. Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta (RoF)

- 100% FP Jiren vs. 50% Whis

GT Vegeta one shots

Whis stomps

[ZombieVito]

Frieza (First Form) from Resurrection F vs. Super Perfect Cell

The only thing we know of First form Freeza is that he is stronger than a rusty SS Gohan and weaker than Boo. It can go either way but I'm thinking Cell is stronger and beats him after a good fight.

There no indication that 1st Form Freeza from RoF is weaker than any Buu, since Buu wasn't in the movie. Considering that 4th Form Freeza in RoF is equal to Goku & Vegeta's post-Whis training bases, and that Freeza's 4th form is a 220x multiplier from his 1st (using Namek Saga PLs as a reference), that would obviously make 1st form Freeza post training way stronger than anything from Z.

There is. In both Toriyama's RoF script and in Super, Kuririn says that as long as Boo is around they will be fine while facing First form Freeza. That's as clear cut as it can get.

There's also the thing that Freeza's suppression forms (They are not transformations) are self made and shouldn't have a set multiplier.

You also way overrate base Goku and Vegeta. Commeson Vegeta (Who is stronger than RoF Vegeta) couldn't even defuse Gotenks like Beerus did in BoG. Gotenks lasted the whole 5 minutes in that fight which implies he's not dimensions apart from them.

[CTAkuma]

Commeson Vegeta (Who is stronger than RoF Vegeta) couldn't even defuse Gotenks like Beerus did in BoG. Gotenks lasted the whole 5 minutes in that fight which implies he's not dimensions apart from them.

You mean Copy Vegeta? Gotenks could literally do nothing to him while he was in base, he was toying around with him and it was later implied that he has some attachment towards Trunks through absorbing Vegeta's power and personality, that's why he didn't kill him.

[Kaiza_Toshiyuki]

Commeson Vegeta (Who is stronger than RoF Vegeta) couldn't even defuse Gotenks like Beerus did in BoG. Gotenks lasted the whole 5 minutes in that fight which implies he's not dimensions apart from them.

You mean Copy Vegeta? Gotenks could literally do nothing to him while he was in base, he was toying around with him and it was later implied that he has some attachment towards Trunks through absorbing Vegeta's power and personality, that's why he didn't kill him.

You make a good point, but one could argue a difference between killing and knocking him out like he did in the buu saga.

[ricky84]

The only thing we know of First form Freeza is that he is stronger than a rusty SS Gohan and weaker than Boo. It can go either way but I'm thinking Cell is stronger and beats him after a good fight.

There no indication that 1st Form Freeza from RoF is weaker than any Buu, since Buu wasn't in the movie. Considering that 4th Form Freeza in RoF is equal to Goku & Vegeta's post-Whis training bases, and that Freeza's 4th form is a 220x multiplier from his 1st (using Namek Saga PLs as a reference), that would obviously make 1st form Freeza post training way stronger than anything from Z.

There is. In both Toriyama's RoF script and in Super, Kuririn says that as long as Boo is around they will be fine while facing First form Freeza. That's as clear cut as it can get.

There's also the thing that Freeza's suppression forms (They are not transformations) are self made and shouldn't have a set multiplier.

You also way overrate base Goku and Vegeta. Commeson Vegeta (Who is stronger than RoF Vegeta) couldn't even defuse Gotenks like Beerus did in BoG. Gotenks lasted the whole 5 minutes in that fight which implies he's not dimensions apart from them.

First of all, comparing Beerus to Copy-Vegeta is a false analogy. Second, base Copy-Vegeta was completely toying with SSJ3 Gotenks and dominated him with no effort whatsoever. They are clearly massively apart in power.

[ZombieVito]

You mean Copy Vegeta? Gotenks could literally do nothing to him while he was in base, he was toying around with him and it was later implied that he has some attachment towards Trunks through absorbing Vegeta's power and personality, that's why he didn't kill him.

He was literally going to kill him before Goku arrived.

First of all, comparing Beerus to Copy-Vegeta is a false analogy. Second, base Copy-Vegeta was completely toying with SSJ3 Gotenks and dominated him with no effort whatsoever. They are clearly massively apart in power.

This is your headcanon.

Nowhere is it stated he was holding back.

[TobyS]

Vados vs Towa

Towa is weaker than Super Buu or Trunks, there's no proof she got stronger than XV1 where she was implicitly weaker than a Mira who was on par with super Buu. that Mira gets wrecked by CaC1 who is not god tier yet.

Vados wrecks her shit.

He implied it was Vados from Super not from Xenoverse and in Xenoverse everyone is way stronger than their mainline counterparts, this is way more even than you think

I don't see any evidence of everyone being stronger in XV automatically.

Even still DBS Vados is still way stronger than her Towa is not strong on her own. She's weaker than a Mira who's weaker than people who aren't even god tier. This is a stomp. Towa has no feats to put her bear Angel level.

People only get powered up in XV when it's a plot point that they do. Like flashing purple and shit. And the whole point of them and only them being powered up is why it fucks up fight outcomes and thus timelines.

[CTAkuma]

People only get powered up in XV when it's a plot point that they do. Like flashing purple and shit. And the whole point of them and only them being powered up is why it fucks up fight outcomes and thus timelines.

She has feats which put her on multiverse attack potency thanks to scaling to Xeno Goku SS4, who scales to Demigra who was going to destroy the DB multiverse and create his own timeline after he absorbed Toki Toki, which gave him control over Space and Time itself. Kid Buu destroyed a timeline too, so yeah

[ricky84]

You mean Copy Vegeta? Gotenks could literally do nothing to him while he was in base, he was toying around with him and it was later implied that he has some attachment towards Trunks through absorbing Vegeta's power and personality, that's why he didn't kill him.

He was literally going to kill him before Goku arrived.

First of all, comparing Beerus to Copy-Vegeta is a false analogy. Second, base Copy-Vegeta was completely toying with SSJ3 Gotenks and dominated him with no effort whatsoever. They are clearly massively apart in power.

This is your headcanon.

Nowhere is it stated he was holding back.

Just look at the sheer ease of how base Copy-Vegeta dominated SSJ3 Gotenks. You are the one using headcanon if you believe the gap in power isn't big. If it wasn't then SSJ3 would have put up a much better fight, logically.

[PFM18]

You mean Copy Vegeta? Gotenks could literally do nothing to him while he was in base, he was toying around with him and it was later implied that he has some attachment towards Trunks through absorbing Vegeta's power and personality, that's why he didn't kill him.

He was literally going to kill him before Goku arrived.

First of all, comparing Beerus to Copy-Vegeta is a false analogy. Second, base Copy-Vegeta was completely toying with SSJ3 Gotenks and dominated him with no effort whatsoever. They are clearly massively apart in power.

This is your headcanon.

Nowhere is it stated he was holding back.

Just look at the sheer ease of how base Copy-Vegeta dominated SSJ3 Gotenks. You are the one using headcanon if you believe the gap in power isn't big. If it wasn't then SSJ3 would have put up a much better fight, logically.

obviously the difference is immeasurably large between Base Vegeta and SSJ3 Gotenks.

But lets get back on track here, how is 1st Form Freeza stronger than anyone in Z???

[GreatSaiyaman123]

There is. In both Toriyama's RoF script and in Super, Kuririn says that as long as Boo is around they will be fine while facing First form Freeza. That's as clear cut as it can get.

Boo can turn Freeza into candy or absorb him though. Pure Boo arguably could defeat even Gotenks or Gohan thanks to this ability, this doesn't mean he's stronger than them.

[SSJ Vegetto]

1.) Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs RoF Golden Freeza
2.) a17 (dbs manga) vs super vegetto (buu saga)
3.) SSB Vegeta (pre episode 122) vs Base Toppo

1. Ultimate Gohan
2. Android No.17
3. SSJB Vegeta

[GreatSaiyaman123]

1.) Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs RoF Golden Freeza
2.) a17 (dbs manga) vs super vegetto (buu saga)
3.) SSB Vegeta (pre episode 122) vs Base Toppo

1) Freeza with mid diff. He's on pair with CSSJB Goku, who's still stronger than Gohan according to Kuririn.
2) 17 finger clicks. Goku is likely above Vegetto in upper forms by now.
3) Pass.