Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Noah wrote:How strong would be these characters if they got the same boost Gohan received after Elder Kai's Unlock Ability?
First off, the power boost that I'm using will be based off of the characters' maximum power. This is because of how Gohan's Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2 strength was seemingly incorporated into his Ultimate Form. For example Ultimate Gohan's strength (BP: 180 billion) divided by SS2 Teen Gohan's strength (BP: 6 billion) equates to roughly a thirty fold increase in strength. Second, I'm using the Boo Arc iteration of each character. With all this in mind, here we go:
[spoiler]- Buff Muten Roshi: 5,000 ---> 150,000
- Chiaotzu: 45,000 ---> 1,350,000
- Yajirobe: 970 ---> 2,910
- Yamcha: 80,000 ---> 2,400,000
- Tenshinhan: 150,000 ---> 4,500,000
- Kuririn: 200,000 ---> 6,000,000
- Android No. 18: 325 million ---> 9.75 billion
- Android No. 17: 350 million ---> 10.5 billion
- Super Saiyan Son Goten (post RoSaT): 1 billion ---> 30 billion
- Super Saiyan Trunks (post RoSaT): 1.1 billion ---> 33 billion
- Piccolo: 1.8 billion ---> 54 billion
- Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta: 9 billion ---> 270 billion
- Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku: 36 billion ---> 1.08 trillion[/spoiler]
Interesting numbers, I know this might fit better in the Unofficial Power Leveal thread, but since we're here: ignoring RoF how much would you think Freeza and Cell would get if they achieved the same boost?
Sorry, I just spent like an hour reading both threads. Thanks for the heads up.
Noah wrote:Interesting numbers, I know this might fit better in the Unofficial Power Level thread, but since we're here: ignoring RoF how much would you think Freeza and Cell would get if they achieved the same boost?
If we're using the same 30-fold increase that I used before, Freeza (BP: 120 million) would jump up to 3.6 billion, about as strong as Cell Games SS Gohan. Super Perfect Cell (BP: 7,200) would jump up to 216 billion, just shy of Gotenks-Boo.
AvatarReiko wrote:Android 17 vs SSJ Ikari Trunks
Android 17 vs Golden Frieza
As of now, Android 17 loses both of those fights. We have no idea how much he held back against SSJB Goku and how much SSJB Goku held back against him to come to a conclusion in regards to just how strong he is.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I don't know about Frieza though, since we don't even know if Saiyan Beyond God is still a thing or not anymore.
AvatarReiko wrote:1st Form Frieza vs SSJ Gogeta(Buu Arc)
4th Form Frieza vs SSJ Vegito(Buu arc)
Golden Frieza vs SSJ Vegito(Current)
- First form Frieza was so strong he could literally slaughter Ssj Gohan (ROF) who, as he states in the show, is as strong as Mystic Gohan. So Frieza is surely above Buutenks, but I don't think he's stronger than Ssj Gogeta, that is on a completely different level.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Coola's Armored Squadron vs. Trio De Dangers
Rules:
Balance Power Levels
No outside help
Bergamo can't grow bigger
No poison attacks
Who wins?
I give this to Coola's Armored Squadron, outside of Lavender's poison breath and Bergamo's ability to grow bigger the trio don't seem to have much else that would give them an edge in this fight such as techniques in contrast to Coola's Armored Squadron where Salza has his energy blade and agility, Dore has a tough body and Neiz has access to electric attacks and an elastic body which should give them an edge even in balanced power levels. The only way I see them winning is if they have access to that drug berry that Basil used and if said berry increases the user's power in the same way for all members that it did for Basil and if it would negate the balanced power levels.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Mr. Satan vs. both Zenos at once, but Mr. Satan is allowed to be as strong as he imagines himself to be in his tall tales
If Mr. Satan is as strong as his dream self is, he takes one intimidating step towards the two Zen-ohs and they immediately surrender in fear. Merciful Champion that he is, Mr. Satan lets them live.
AvatarReiko wrote:Android 17 vs SSJ Ikari Trunks
Android 17 vs Golden Frieza
Either of them finger-flicks with 1% power.
I'll pretend this DBS episode never happened.
Unfortunately we can't do this
IMO Android 17 wins both fights with difficult mostly due his infinite stamina.
Guys stop taking this stuff seriously. Goku held back a lot. The only reason they're showing blue is because I bet a new form is coming soon. So they're milking it as much as possible. 17 is not God level
