The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Zamasu55]

UI Omen Goku (first trigger) vs Vegito Blue
Frost (U6 arc) vs Great Ape Baby
Majuub vs Slim Buu
Future Zamasu vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Current Gohan vs SSB Copy-Vegeta

- UI Goku stomps.
- This is so unfair, honestly. Frost is no match for Baby.
- Super Uub easily.
- Kale was slightly weaker than a tired SsjG Goku. Zamasu traded blows with Blue tier fighters, plus is immortal. Kale is done for.
- Gohan wins.

[Berserker1921]

UI Omen Goku (first trigger) vs Vegito Blue
Frost (U6 arc) vs Great Ape Baby
Majuub vs Slim Buu
Future Zamasu vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Current Gohan vs SSB Copy-Vegeta

1. Is this current Vegito Blue or Black Saga? If it was ToP, he slaughters Omen Goku. I have him around or above 100% Jiren/MUI Goku. If it's black Saga, I still give it too Vegito. Personally I have him around 50-60% Jiren. And a suppressed Jiren had little to no problem with this goku.

2. I have Frost around super buu level. GA Bebi is around what 500x Vegeta, who at his base is ssj3 teir? Bebi slaughters.

3. Majuub is fusion of Uub who rivaled against a ssj3 level base goku. Majuub gave super Bebi trouble when even ssj3 goku couldn't harm him. But slim buu is from Super. And he would be considered a prodigy. So even if he trained for two hrs, he probably reached god level. So slim buu.

4. M. Zamasu is easily 30-40% Beerus and immortal. Kale isn't even god tier. Zamasu slaughters.

5. I personally don't think gohan is that strong, honestly I have him at god tier at best. So copy Vegeta.

[jeffbr92]

Who's the strongest character Jiren can beat using just 1% to 10% of his full power?

[Hugo Boss]

UI Omen Goku (first trigger) vs Vegito Blue
Frost (U6 arc) vs Great Ape Baby
Majuub vs Slim Buu
Future Zamasu vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Current Gohan vs SSB Copy-Vegeta

I will give a slight edge for Vegetto, he wins with a final kamehameha.

I think Frost is a bit weaker than Freeza in his final form and I would bet Freeza is weaker than Golden Great Ape Goku, so Baby would be even stronger. Perhaps Golden Freeza would be closer to a real threat.

Difficult to say, both seem stronger versions of Boo. I would say, Majuub.

Future Zamasu is just immortal. Power-wise, he isn’t that much. He could waste Kale until she calms down though. Then, she would be an easy prey.

I think Gohan is a tad weaker than SSG Goku, so SSB Copy-Vegeta has a good chance.

Who's the strongest character Jiren can beat using just 1% to 10% of his full power?

Not sure, what about Golden Freeza?

[Helios518]

Who's the strongest character Jiren can beat using just 1% to 10% of his full power?

Probably SSJBE Vegeta/SSJBKKx20 Goku.

[kn83]

UI Omen Goku (first trigger) vs Vegito Blue
Frost (U6 arc) vs Great Ape Baby
Majuub vs Slim Buu
Future Zamasu vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Current Gohan vs SSB Copy-Vegeta

1. Is this current Vegito Blue or Black Saga? If it was ToP, he slaughters Omen Goku. I have him around or above 100% Jiren/MUI Goku. If it's black Saga, I still give it too Vegito. Personally I have him around 50-60% Jiren. And a suppressed Jiren had little to no problem with this goku.

2. I have Frost around super buu level. GA Bebi is around what 500x Vegeta, who at his base is ssj3 teir? Bebi slaughters.

3. Majuub is fusion of Uub who rivaled against a ssj3 level base goku. Majuub gave super Bebi trouble when even ssj3 goku couldn't harm him. But slim buu is from Super. And he would be considered a prodigy. So even if he trained for two hrs, he probably reached god level. So slim buu.

4. M. Zamasu is easily 30-40% Beerus and immortal. Kale isn't even god tier. Zamasu slaughters.

5. I personally don't think gohan is that strong, honestly I have him at god tier at best. So copy Vegeta.

I was referring to regular Zamasu from the future timeline, not Merged Zamasu (which is overkill). The three base U6 saiyans are easily at least stronger than BoG SSJG Goku, based on base Cabba's fight with post-RoF base Vegeta. So yes, Kale would be god-tier.

[kn83]

Who's the strongest character Jiren can beat using just 1% to 10% of his full power?

Kefla

[jeffbr92]

Not sure, what about Golden Freeza?

Probably SSJBE Vegeta/SSJBKKx20 Goku.

Kefla

And yet you guys still think Freeza and #17 can put a good fight with Jiren on the next episode?

[kn83]

Probably SSJBE Vegeta/SSJBKKx20 Goku.

Kefla

And yet you guys still think Freeza and #17 can put a good fight with Jiren on the next episode?

It depends on how fatigued and badly beated by MUI Goku he is. Besides, I think Jiren would need no less than 10% of his power to beat Kefla.

[dragon boss z]

Universe 6 Saiyans vs Trio De Dangers
Cabba v. Lavender
Caulifla vs Bergamo
SSJ (no Berserk) Kale vs. Basil

Based off the manga every trio de danger member is weaker than base Gohan and Piccolo. The saiyans easily win.

UI Omen Goku (first trigger) vs Vegito Blue
Frost (U6 arc) vs Great Ape Baby
Majuub vs Slim Buu
Future Zamasu vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Current Gohan vs SSB Copy-Vegeta

-Vegito is stronger, but UI Goku might just dodge until the fusion wares off
-Frost is around Cell to Buu tier imo so he loses
-Majuub should win
-Future Zamasu is weaker but wins via immortality
-I don't think Gohan is actually SSB level, but copy Vegeta is something I wish didn't happen so they both lose

Probably SSJBE Vegeta/SSJBKKx20 Goku.

Kefla

And yet you guys still think Freeza and #17 can put a good fight with Jiren on the next episode?

You think they won't? It's the climax of the series and the preview [spoiler]shows Jiren having trouble[/spoiler].

[Hugo Boss]

Probably SSJBE Vegeta/SSJBKKx20 Goku.

Kefla

And yet you guys still think Freeza and #17 can put a good fight with Jiren on the next episode?

That’s assuming we know how battered Jiren is which we don’t yet. The end of the episode suggests it won’t be a easy task for the whole team, so it would be more or less in line with your question.

[kn83]

Dyspo vs Future Zamasu
SSJ2 Cabba and Caulifla vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Anizara vs SSBkkx5 Goku
Base Toppo vs Hit

[PFM18]

UI Omen Goku (first trigger) vs Vegito Blue
Frost (U6 arc) vs Great Ape Baby
Majuub vs Slim Buu
Future Zamasu vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Current Gohan vs SSB Copy-Vegeta

1. Vegetto Blue wins with moderate difficulty. I dont think Goku got to that level until he hit the 3rd Omen trigger or even when he got actual Ultra Instinct.

2. Baby slaughters with ease. Generally GT characters are much weaker than Super characters but Frost is really weak by Super standards.

3. by slim buu did you mean his training before the ToP? or that Slim Buu that fought good buu and absorbed him to become Super Buu? If it is the former then Buu wins with mild difficulty and if it is the latter it is complete domination in Majuub's favor.

4. Kale is far far stronger but Zamasu is immortal so I think it ultimately is a draw? Idk I dont think there would be a conclusion here

5. SSB copy vegeta wins in a landslide

[Berserker1921]

Dyspo vs Future Zamasu
SSJ2 Cabba and Caulifla vs Mastered Berzerk Kale
Anizara vs SSBkkx5 Goku
Base Toppo vs Hit

1. Dyspo has the power advantage. But Zamasu can't die. So Zamasu gets his ass beaten until dyspo gets tired and either runs away or gets killed.

2. Kale isn't a fighter, just relies on power. She is a good match with Caulifla. But without her, she is nothing but a brute. The team wins with mid difficulty.

3. I feel Aniraza is at max kkx10 goku. So goku loses unless he figures out his weakness.

4. Toppo is quite strong. But can't do doesn't seem like the intelligent fighter. Someone who can't figure out Hit's time skip. Also if this is no rules, Hit kills him almost immediately

[Berserker1921]

1. Ssjblue kkx20 Goku, SsjBE Vegeta, GoD Toppo, Hit, Ssj2 Kefla, Golden Frieza, and SsjRose Black vs 100% Jiren? (no rules and Goku can't use UI)

2. SsjRage Trunks (spirit sword) vs GoD Toppo?

3. Buuhan vs M. Ssjberserk Kale?

4. Super Bebi vs Goku Black? (Same Power)

5. Gogeta Blue (ToP, Only ssjblue) vs 100% Jiren?

[kn83]

1. Ssjblue kkx20 Goku, SsjBE Vegeta, GoD Toppo, Hit, Ssj2 Kefla, Golden Frieza, and SsjRose Black vs 100% Jiren? (no rules and Goku can't use UI)

2. SsjRage Trunks (spirit sword) vs GoD Toppo?

3. Buuhan vs M. Ssjberserk Kale?

4. Super Bebi vs Goku Black? (Same Power)

5. Gogeta Blue (ToP, Only ssjblue) vs 100% Jiren?

1. The team wins, mid-high difficulty

2. God Toppo wins if Trunks isn't fast enough to land a hit.

3. Kale obliterates Buuhan easily. Base Cabba solos Z, so Kale would be a slaughter.

4. Black wins due to his adaptability and having the combat genius of Goku and Zamasu

5. Jiren wins, high-difficulty.

[dragon boss z]

3. Kale obliterates Buuhan easily. Base Cabba solos Z, so Kale would be a slaughter.

That's abusing Super's messed up power scaling. There is no way Toriyama intended for base Cabba to be able to solo Z. There is probably a reason Buu was left out of the U6 tournament, he would of beat everyone (besides Hit). Maybe, and that's a big maybe, ssj/ssj2 Cabba is above everyone in Z, but not base.

[kn83]

3. Kale obliterates Buuhan easily. Base Cabba solos Z, so Kale would be a slaughter.

That's abusing Super's messed up power scaling. There is no way Toriyama intended for base Cabba to be able to solo Z. There is probably a reason Buu was left out of the U6 tournament, he would of beat everyone (besides Hit). Maybe, and that's a big maybe, ssj/ssj2 Cabba is above everyone in Z, but not base.

That's your head canon bro. Vegeta outright said to himself that him and Cabba are even in base. And this is post-RoF, post-ROSAT training base Vegeta. There is no way you can downplay Cabba (and by extension, Caulifla and Kale)

[dragon boss z]

That's your head canon bro. Vegeta outright said to himself that him and Cabba are even in base. And this is post-RoF, post-ROSAT training base Vegeta. There is no way you can downplay Cabba (and by extension, Caulifla and Kale)

Base Goku and Vegeta's strength seem to fluctuate. I'm pretty sure Vegeta was holding back on Cabba as well. Final form Frieza who should be base saiyan tier was out of Cabba's league and base Vegeta knocked away Monna who was beating ssj Cabba. Also Champa flat out said Frost was no match for Frieza, and Frost pushed Goku to ssj while Frieza didn't in RoF. Then we have Buu being even stronger than an amped Basil, and the trio de danger were able to put up a fight against base Goku. And Buu himself beat base Goku before the ToP after just training a few hours. The problem here writing just isn't consistent. I can almost guarantee you that Toriyama doesn't think and never intended for base Cabba to be above all of Z.

[kn83]

That's your head canon bro. Vegeta outright said to himself that him and Cabba are even in base. And this is post-RoF, post-ROSAT training base Vegeta. There is no way you can downplay Cabba (and by extension, Caulifla and Kale)

Base Goku and Vegeta's strength seem to fluctuate. I'm pretty sure Vegeta was holding back on Cabba as well. Final form Frieza who should be base saiyan tier was out of Cabba's league and base Vegeta knocked away Monna who was beating ssj Cabba. Also Champa flat out said Frost was no match for Frieza, and Frost pushed Goku to ssj while Frieza didn't in RoF. Then we have Buu being even stronger than an amped Basil, and the trio de danger were able to put up a fight against base Goku. And Buu himself beat base Goku before the ToP after just training a few hours. The problem here writing just isn't consistent. I can almost guarantee you that Toriyama doesn't think and never intended for base Cabba to be above all of Z.

Unless he explicitly states so, its not your place to assume whats going on in Toriyama head, that's just you projecting your biases. Also you keep forgetting that Goku and Vegeta (and Freeza in the afterlife) got multiple times stronger since the Champa saga through training and zenkais. For example, Goku needed to stack KKx10 to match Hit in the Champa arc, yet after the Black arc he can match him without it, meaning Goku and Vegeta got at least 10x stronger since then. So current base Vegeta and Goku (and Final Freeza) are definitely stronger than current base Cabba, but that doesn't change the fact that back then their bases were confirmed to be even. Nothing contradicts that, and your claims about the ToP are largely irrelevant to the topic.