GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:It probably wasn't much different from the movie if at all. Super is based on script from Toriyama, and with Toyotaro deciding to skip this arc it probably went out like on Toriyama's script, that was used for the movie. Either way, the majority of the implications points out to all three scenarios (Manga, Anime and Movie) only having minor differences from each other.
I mean the movie clearly portrayed their base forms as massively stronger even calling their base forms stronger than SSG and calling it "Saiyan Beyond God" it is definitely a far cry from what we see in the manga in terms of the strength of the Base Saiyans.
Also, I think there are pretty major differences in between the three mediums as far as the power scaling is concerned.
dragon boss z wrote:
First off I don't think Jiren is even near millions of times stronger than Vegetto. Imo SSG was maybe 10x stronger than ssj Vegetto, with MSSB 5x stronger than SSG, and Jiren (as shown so far in the manga) a few time stronger than that. That's not even thousands of times stronger.
Yeah I think it is probably exaggerating calling it a million times stronger in the manga iteration. I think it is reasonable to say that is the case in the anime, but obviously the manga is on a much smaller scale. Either way, we see that:
SSJ3 Vegetto<<<SSG<<SSB<<CSSB with several arcs worth of training in there and Jiren makes CSSB look like absolutely nothing so I think it is fair to say manga Jiren is thousands of times stronger than Vegetto and such a gap cannot simply be bridged with this technique that Roshi used. Power always plays a huge role in this franchise and he may not have had the same level of power as suppressed Jiren, and his power was considered low, but he still must be strong in the context of Z if he can give suppressed Jiren any trouble whatsoever and he can easily dispose of Kahseral.
Captain Ginyu was the leader of the strongest gang of mercenaries in the universe as well and Frieza thought nobody besides himself (and his fatehr) was stronger than Ginyu in the entire universe.
Still, in the grand scheme of Universe 7 Ginyu is a joke compared to Cell, Dabura, Buu, Yakon, Goku, Freeza, Vegeta, 16,17, and 18. It wouldn't make much sense as somebody who is touted as being one of the strongest in their Universe to being anything close to Ginyu.
Mortal level seems to have nothing to do with strength. Mortal level would be like how a bug would be low and a human would be high. On average universe 7 had a lower mortal ranking than other universe, but that doesn't mean they were weaker.
We are never given an explicit meaning to the phrase, but if it had nothing to do with strength whatsoever, it would lose a lot of value in regards to the exposition of the phrase. The premise was essentially that, "You may have defeated Universe 9, but they are the weakest Universe", as to hype up the fighters in the ToP and give a sense of the U7 fighters having their work cut out for them. As in, to say that they may have been able to defeat them but they are nothing to the rest of the Universes and we clearly see that this is the case when the ToP starts and they are almost immediately eliminated. Otherwise, it would be next to meaningless dialogue.