In fact it doesn't make sense.DanielSSJ wrote:So how does Goku beat an opponent that thrashed Gohan and Gotenks, both of whom should be much more powerful than Goku himself?Zamasu55 wrote:Well, he clearly isn't, since the move takes place right after the fight with Kid Buu.
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Hence why a more detailed explanation is necessary.Zamasu55 wrote:In fact it doesn't make sense.
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I guess the only thing close to a solution for Goku to beat him is that he used the Dragon Fist on him, as well as Trunks weakening him with the sword. The thing that doesn't make sense is Gohan being defeated easily, while SSJ3 Gotenks was able to do more. Strangely the movie seems to imply:DanielSSJ wrote:So how does Goku beat an opponent that thrashed Gohan and Gotenks, both of whom should be much more powerful than Goku himself?Zamasu55 wrote:Well, he clearly isn't, since the move takes place right after the fight with Kid Buu.
SSJ3 Gotenks > Gohan, or maybe:
all SSJ3s > Gohan
And that doesn't make sense. I just thing they interpreted Gohan's power wrong. So maybe we just must pretend that Gohan's power is the only one controversial, with Hirudegarn being below SSJ3 Gotenks, and above him while transformed, probably on the same league of Buutenks.
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1) Goku was slightly stronger, coupled with his superior skill and he beats Vegeta.Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F) vs. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).Gog wrote:1) This is an incredibly close and decisive match, but Buu takes it because of his gold like regeneration and never ending stamina.Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) Kid Buu vs. Janemba.
2) Meta-Cooler vs. Android 17.
3) Android 16 and Future Android 16 vs. Semi-Perfect Cell.
2) Meta-Coola effortlessly crushes Android 17, not only is he stronger, faster, and more durable, his regeneration is simply just to much for the young android.
3) Semi Perfect Cell easily takes both of them at the same time, it doesn't matter how many android 16's you get when they can't even harm Cell.
2) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods) vs. Super Buu (Legendary Super Saiyan Broly, Super Janemba, and Hirudegarn Absorbed).
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon) vs. Autta Magetta.
2) There's simply no way that Super Buu upon adsorbing a few Super Saiyan 3 tier fighters is anywhere near SSB Goku.
3) Autta Magetta effortlessly gets manhandled by a being thousands of times stronger than him.
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1) Super Buu (Base Form) vs. Ledgic.Roronoa-pt wrote:1)Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F) vs. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).
2) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods) vs. Super Buu (Legendary Super Saiyan Broly, Super Janemba, and Hirudegarn Absorbed).
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon) vs. Autta Magetta.
They're equals. Can go either way.
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Probably Goku.
3)
SSJB Goku one shots.
2) Imperfect Cell (Fight Against Piccolo) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Androids Saga).
3) Third Form Frieza (Frieza Saga) vs. Lord Slug (Youth Restored).
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SSJ3 Goku (Movie 12) vs Ultimate Gohan
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1) Saiyan Beyond God Goku (Universe 6 Saga) vs. Cabba.Gog wrote:1) Goku was slightly stronger, coupled with his superior skill and he beats Vegeta.Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F) vs. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).Gog wrote:
1) This is an incredibly close and decisive match, but Buu takes it because of his gold like regeneration and never ending stamina.
2) Meta-Coola effortlessly crushes Android 17, not only is he stronger, faster, and more durable, his regeneration is simply just to much for the young android.
3) Semi Perfect Cell easily takes both of them at the same time, it doesn't matter how many android 16's you get when they can't even harm Cell.
2) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods) vs. Super Buu (Legendary Super Saiyan Broly, Super Janemba, and Hirudegarn Absorbed).
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon) vs. Autta Magetta.
2) There's simply no way that Super Buu upon adsorbing a few Super Saiyan 3 tier fighters is anywhere near SSB Goku.
3) Autta Magetta effortlessly gets manhandled by a being thousands of times stronger than him.
2) Chou Super Saiyan Goku (Universe 6 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Cabba.
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Universe Survival Saga) vs. Super Saiyan 2 Cabba.
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1) Saiyan Beyond Goku is just so much better than Cabba in every way, he wins due to his overwhelming power and skill.Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Saiyan Beyond God Goku (Universe 6 Saga) vs. Cabba.Gog wrote:1) Goku was slightly stronger, coupled with his superior skill and he beats Vegeta.Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F) vs. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).
2) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods) vs. Super Buu (Legendary Super Saiyan Broly, Super Janemba, and Hirudegarn Absorbed).
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon) vs. Autta Magetta.
2) There's simply no way that Super Buu upon adsorbing a few Super Saiyan 3 tier fighters is anywhere near SSB Goku.
3) Autta Magetta effortlessly gets manhandled by a being thousands of times stronger than him.
2) Chou Super Saiyan Goku (Universe 6 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Cabba.
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Universe Survival Saga) vs. Super Saiyan 2 Cabba.
2) Goku still effortlessly defeats Cabba, just this time it's an even bigger stomp than before hand.
3) SSB Goku sneezing at SS2 Cabba would definitely be enough to kill him.
Anyway new battles!
SSR Goku Black V Aku
Freeza(first form) V Mewtwo(mega evolved)
SSJ Vegetto V World Breaker Hulk (Arm wrestle)
Goku V Wonderwoman
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dragonball0900 wrote:I guess the only thing close to a solution for Goku to beat him is that he used the Dragon Fist on him, as well as Trunks weakening him with the sword. The thing that doesn't make sense is Gohan being defeated easily, while SSJ3 Gotenks was able to do more. Strangely the movie seems to imply:DanielSSJ wrote:So how does Goku beat an opponent that thrashed Gohan and Gotenks, both of whom should be much more powerful than Goku himself?Zamasu55 wrote:Well, he clearly isn't, since the move takes place right after the fight with Kid Buu.
SSJ3 Gotenks > Gohan, or maybe:
all SSJ3s > Gohan
And that doesn't make sense. I just thing they interpreted Gohan's power wrong. So maybe we just must pretend that Gohan's power is the only one controversial, with Hirudegarn being below SSJ3 Gotenks, and above him while transformed, probably on the same league of Buutenks.
Well, the movie takes place "sometime" after the fight with kid buu. So, my interpretation is:
Gohan's power declined due to not training. Gotenks is, therefore, stronger.
Goku and Vegeta trained as usual, and Goku surpassed Gotenks.
Now the "but time skip was short" thing is irrelevant, because people in DB have always been able to make gains according to plot.
Vegetto has no feats to suggest he can wrestle with world breaker hulk. Hulk wins.Gog wrote: Anyway new battles!
SSJ Vegetto V World Breaker Hulk (Arm wrestle)
Goku V Wonderwoman
Namek Goku stomps. The only advantage WW has is gear and (maybe) physical/grappling strength.
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1.) How far would DBM SSJ3 Vegito get in multiverse? The strongest character he could beat?
2.) Future Zamasu vs Buuhan
3.) Toppo vs Hit
2.) Future Zamasu vs Buuhan
3.) Toppo vs Hit
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- I suppose you mean "in Super". Anyway, he's nowhere near SsjG Goku, so the strongest character he'd beat is probably Black Goku (start of the Future Trunks saga).AvatarReiko wrote:1.) How far would DBM SSJ3 Vegito get in multiverse? The strongest character he could beat?
2.) Future Zamasu vs Buuhan
3.) Toppo vs Hit
- Future Zamasu is way stronger, but I don't think he's capable of pulverizing Buuhan. On the other hand, Buu can't do anything to him, so I think it'd be an endless battle.
- Hit wins due to his killing technique. And I don't think Toppo is smart enough to counter it.
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1) Teen Uub (Baby Saga) vs. Botamo.Gog wrote:1) Saiyan Beyond Goku is just so much better than Cabba in every way, he wins due to his overwhelming power and skill.Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Saiyan Beyond God Goku (Universe 6 Saga) vs. Cabba.Gog wrote:
1) Goku was slightly stronger, coupled with his superior skill and he beats Vegeta.
2) There's simply no way that Super Buu upon adsorbing a few Super Saiyan 3 tier fighters is anywhere near SSB Goku.
3) Autta Magetta effortlessly gets manhandled by a being thousands of times stronger than him.
2) Chou Super Saiyan Goku (Universe 6 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Cabba.
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Universe Survival Saga) vs. Super Saiyan 2 Cabba.
2) Goku still effortlessly defeats Cabba, just this time it's an even bigger stomp than before hand.
3) SSB Goku sneezing at SS2 Cabba would definitely be enough to kill him.
Anyway new battles!
SSR Goku Black V Aku
Freeza(first form) V Mewtwo(mega evolved)
SSJ Vegetto V World Breaker Hulk (Arm wrestle)
Goku V Wonderwoman
2) Majuub (Baby Saga) vs. First Form Frieza (Resurrection F).
3) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Universe Survival Saga) vs. Omega Shenron.
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Base Gotenks (Pre Rosat) vs SSJ Goku (Frieza Arc)
Base Gotenks (Post Rosat) vs Android 18
Base Gotenks (Post Rosat) vs Android 18
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Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Teen Uub (Baby Saga) vs. Botamo.Gog wrote:1) Saiyan Beyond Goku is just so much better than Cabba in every way, he wins due to his overwhelming power and skill.Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) Saiyan Beyond God Goku (Universe 6 Saga) vs. Cabba.
2) Chou Super Saiyan Goku (Universe 6 Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Cabba.
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Universe Survival Saga) vs. Super Saiyan 2 Cabba.
2) Goku still effortlessly defeats Cabba, just this time it's an even bigger stomp than before hand.
3) SSB Goku sneezing at SS2 Cabba would definitely be enough to kill him.
Anyway new battles!
SSR Goku Black V Aku
Freeza(first form) V Mewtwo(mega evolved)
SSJ Vegetto V World Breaker Hulk (Arm wrestle)
Goku V Wonderwoman
2) Majuub (Baby Saga) vs. First Form Frieza (Resurrection F).
3) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Universe Survival Saga) vs. Omega Shenron.
[spoiler]Dragon Soldier
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1) Botamo cannot take any damage from Uub's attacks, he wears down Uub, or Uub throws him to space.
2) First form Freeza easily defeats Majuub. Even if Majuub uses his candy beam on Freeza, Freeza would just torture him to death until he turns him back.
3) This is just a repeat of what happened in GT.
Base Gotenks loses to SSJ Goku's superior might, speed, strength, and skilldragonball0900 wrote:Base Gotenks (Pre Rosat) vs SSJ Goku (Frieza Arc)
Base Gotenks (Post Rosat) vs Android 18
Gotenks gets easily manhandled by the android, she's just better than him in every category.
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Okay. What if Base Gotenks (post Rosat) vs SSJ Goku (Frieza Arc)?Gog wrote: Base Gotenks loses to SSJ Goku's superior might, speed, strength, and skill
Gotenks gets easily manhandled by the android, she's just better than him in every category.
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1.IDKAvatarReiko wrote:1.) How far would DBM SSJ3 Vegito get in multiverse? The strongest character he could beat?
2.) Future Zamasu vs Buuhan
3.) Toppo vs Hit
2.buuhan gets slaughter
3.hit
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I was referring to Super Saiyan Goku (Freeza arc)dragonball0900 wrote:Okay. What if Base Gotenks (post Rosat) vs SSJ Goku (Frieza Arc)?Gog wrote: Base Gotenks loses to SSJ Goku's superior might, speed, strength, and skill
Gotenks gets easily manhandled by the android, she's just better than him in every category.
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Gotenks one shots.Gog wrote:I was referring to Super Saiyan Goku (Freeza arc)dragonball0900 wrote:Okay. What if Base Gotenks (post Rosat) vs SSJ Goku (Frieza Arc)?Gog wrote: Base Gotenks loses to SSJ Goku's superior might, speed, strength, and skill
Gotenks gets easily manhandled by the android, she's just better than him in every category.
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Okay new battles!
First Form Freeza V Samus Aran
Kirby V Kid Buu
Vegeta V Shadow
Goku Black V Turles (equal power levels)
First Form Freeza V Samus Aran
Kirby V Kid Buu
Vegeta V Shadow
Goku Black V Turles (equal power levels)
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I don't think there's anything different with Goku in this moive, Gohan wrecks him easily.TheUltimateNinja wrote:SSJ3 Goku (Movie 12) vs Ultimate Gohan