The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:58 am

Noah wrote:Strongest character current Krillin can beat?

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Post by DBZ Macky » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:11 am

Noah wrote:Strongest character current Krillin can beat?
50% Freeza on Namek.

Official numbers from the Goku (8,000) vs Nappa (4,000) fight show that a 2x gap isn't too big if you're not trying to kill your opponent. #18 is probably in the 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 range. That'd put Majora at 150,000,000 to 200,000,000 which would further put Krillin at 75,000,000 to 100,000,000. It's consistent with the previous Anime-only material too, like Yamcha one-shotting Olibu and Krillin being able to fight on par with Goten at the lookout. The Earthlings have always been close to the Base Saiyans (who are weaker than 100% Freeza).
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Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:21 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:
Noah wrote:Strongest character current Krillin can beat?
50% Freeza on Namek.

Official numbers from the Goku (8,000) vs Nappa (4,000) fight show that a 2x gap isn't too big if you're not trying to kill your opponent. #18 is probably in the 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 range. That'd put Majora at 150,000,000 to 200,000,000 which would further put Krillin at 75,000,000 to 100,000,000. It's consistent with the previous Anime-only material too, like Yamcha one-shotting Olibu and Krillin being able to fight on par with Goten at the lookout. The Earthlings have always been close to the Base Saiyans (who are weaker than 100% Freeza).
Nappa 4,000? :lol:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:25 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote:
DBZ Macky wrote:
Noah wrote:Strongest character current Krillin can beat?
50% Freeza on Namek.

Official numbers from the Goku (8,000) vs Nappa (4,000) fight show that a 2x gap isn't too big if you're not trying to kill your opponent. #18 is probably in the 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 range. That'd put Majora at 150,000,000 to 200,000,000 which would further put Krillin at 75,000,000 to 100,000,000. It's consistent with the previous Anime-only material too, like Yamcha one-shotting Olibu and Krillin being able to fight on par with Goten at the lookout. The Earthlings have always been close to the Base Saiyans (who are weaker than 100% Freeza).
Nappa 4,000? :lol:
Hey, I was one of the people that assumed 4,000 was his suppressed power, and that he increased to 6,400 or something later. But it's not like anything contradicts Nappa being at 4,000 either, so I don't really see a problem with it.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SuperDragoon » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:53 pm

Current SSB Goku, Hit, and Toppo vs. Beerus

Goku can use Kaioken x10

If the Trio loses, add Bergamo and Vegeta

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:26 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:
Noah wrote:Strongest character current Krillin can beat?
50% Freeza on Namek.

Official numbers from the Goku (8,000) vs Nappa (4,000) fight show that a 2x gap isn't too big if you're not trying to kill your opponent. #18 is probably in the 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 range. That'd put Majora at 150,000,000 to 200,000,000 which would further put Krillin at 75,000,000 to 100,000,000. It's consistent with the previous Anime-only material too, like Yamcha one-shotting Olibu and Krillin being able to fight on par with Goten at the lookout. The Earthlings have always been close to the Base Saiyans (who are weaker than 100% Freeza).
Just want to point out that the earthlings weren't really on par with the Base Saiyans through the series. In the Android arc, Krillin, who is the strongest, is obviously weaker than Gohan, who is probably weaker than Base Future Trunks (the weaker of the 3 SSJs at the time). Then the saiyans became way stronger after the ROSAT training, and by the time of the Cell Games they are already able to stomp the earthlings with just one punch.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:41 am

dragonball0900 wrote:
DBZ Macky wrote:
Noah wrote:Strongest character current Krillin can beat?
50% Freeza on Namek.

Official numbers from the Goku (8,000) vs Nappa (4,000) fight show that a 2x gap isn't too big if you're not trying to kill your opponent. #18 is probably in the 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 range. That'd put Majora at 150,000,000 to 200,000,000 which would further put Krillin at 75,000,000 to 100,000,000. It's consistent with the previous Anime-only material too, like Yamcha one-shotting Olibu and Krillin being able to fight on par with Goten at the lookout. The Earthlings have always been close to the Base Saiyans (who are weaker than 100% Freeza).
Just want to point out that the earthlings weren't really on par with the Base Saiyans through the series. In the Android arc, Krillin, who is the strongest, is obviously weaker than Gohan, who is probably weaker than Base Future Trunks (the weaker of the 3 SSJs at the time). Then the saiyans became way stronger after the ROSAT training, and by the time of the Cell Games they are already able to stomp the earthlings with just one punch.
I have no idea how they got so strong, but Tenshinhan can apparently fight on par with Post RoSaT Trunks in the Bojack movie. That seems to suggest to me that the Earthlings were always in the same general tier as the Saiyans in Toei's mind.
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Post by BrolyKale » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:12 am

Caulifla vs Super Buu

Broly SSJ4 vs Vegeta SSJ4 & Goku SSJ4 (no fusion that's cheating)

Vegetto vs Beerus
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Post by Roronoa-pt » Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:20 am

BrolyKale wrote:Caulifla vs Super Buu

Broly SSJ4 vs Vegeta SSJ4 & Goku SSJ4 (no fusion that's cheating)

Vegetto vs Beerus
Super Buu is way superior to a regular SSJ2, he stomps.
GT, pass.
With 100% of his power, Beerus destroys Vegetto Blue.

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Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:41 am

DBZ Macky wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:
DBZ Macky wrote: 50% Freeza on Namek.

Official numbers from the Goku (8,000) vs Nappa (4,000) fight show that a 2x gap isn't too big if you're not trying to kill your opponent. #18 is probably in the 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 range. That'd put Majora at 150,000,000 to 200,000,000 which would further put Krillin at 75,000,000 to 100,000,000. It's consistent with the previous Anime-only material too, like Yamcha one-shotting Olibu and Krillin being able to fight on par with Goten at the lookout. The Earthlings have always been close to the Base Saiyans (who are weaker than 100% Freeza).
Just want to point out that the earthlings weren't really on par with the Base Saiyans through the series. In the Android arc, Krillin, who is the strongest, is obviously weaker than Gohan, who is probably weaker than Base Future Trunks (the weaker of the 3 SSJs at the time). Then the saiyans became way stronger after the ROSAT training, and by the time of the Cell Games they are already able to stomp the earthlings with just one punch.
I have no idea how they got so strong, but Tenshinhan can apparently fight on par with Post RoSaT Trunks in the Bojack movie. That seems to suggest to me that the Earthlings were always in the same general tier as the Saiyans in Toei's mind.
But that's a movie made by Toei, and we know how much Toei overrates Yamcha and Tien (such as the Cell Jr fight or the Kami training). Logically it would be impossible for Tien to fight on par with a ROSAT trained saiyan like Trunks.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZ Macky » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:07 am

Perhaps he ranged a park or something?
We don't know how they got that strong, but that's probably for the best too, since it's gotten worse every time Toei's tried to explain something. I just think that it's note-worthy that the guys working on the current Anime think that the Earthlings are close to the Base Saiyans in power.

It's not contradicted by anything either, so it shouldn't be too hard to swallow.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:26 pm

New match:

- SSJ Goku (GT) vs. SSJ Caulifla and SSJ Cabba


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dragonball0900 wrote:
DBZ Macky wrote: 50% Freeza on Namek.

Official numbers from the Goku (8,000) vs Nappa (4,000) fight show that a 2x gap isn't too big if you're not trying to kill your opponent. #18 is probably in the 300,000,000 to 400,000,000 range. That'd put Majora at 150,000,000 to 200,000,000 which would further put Krillin at 75,000,000 to 100,000,000. It's consistent with the previous Anime-only material too, like Yamcha one-shotting Olibu and Krillin being able to fight on par with Goten at the lookout. The Earthlings have always been close to the Base Saiyans (who are weaker than 100% Freeza).
Just want to point out that the earthlings weren't really on par with the Base Saiyans through the series. In the Android arc, Krillin, who is the strongest, is obviously weaker than Gohan, who is probably weaker than Base Future Trunks (the weaker of the 3 SSJs at the time). Then the saiyans became way stronger after the ROSAT training, and by the time of the Cell Games they are already able to stomp the earthlings with just one punch.
I have no idea how they got so strong, but Tenshinhan can apparently fight on par with Post RoSaT Trunks in the Bojack movie. That seems to suggest to me that the Earthlings were always in the same general tier as the Saiyans in Toei's mind.
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Post by Chickenchaser » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:48 pm

Current Golden Freeza VS Current Hit

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Post by Chickenchaser » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:55 pm

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With 100% of his power, Beerus destroys Vegetto Blue.
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Beerus With 100% is weaker than SSJB Vegetto, Shin state this.
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Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:45 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:Perhaps he ranged a park or something?
We don't know how they got that strong, but that's probably for the best too, since it's gotten worse every time Toei's tried to explain something. I just think that it's note-worthy that the guys working on the current Anime think that the Earthlings are close to the Base Saiyans in power.

It's not contradicted by anything either, so it shouldn't be too hard to swallow.
It's indeed contradicting when thinking about it. If "Earthlings < Base Saiyans" was already implied in the Android arc, then we have "Earthlings <<<<< Base Saiyans (post ROSAT)". The gap is already too big for the earthlings to catch up to the base saiyans. However, they can possibly defeating them only by using their best techniques like the Kikoho or the Kienzan.

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Post by Bullza » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:18 pm

Chickenchaser wrote:Current Golden Freeza VS Current Hit
Hit kills him as quickly as he did Goku. Except Frieza wouldn't come back because he wouldn't think to fire the blast to restart his heart.

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Post by DBZ Macky » Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:08 pm

Chickenchaser wrote:Current Golden Freeza VS Current Hit
In their first match, Hit was stronger than SSB Goku without the Kaio-Ken, but in their second match, Hit and Goku were about equal. So it seems like Goku's power grows faster than Hit. Which would put current SSB Goku as slightly stronger than Hit. And since True Golden Freeza seemed to be exactly equal to SSB Goku in power, he'd be stronger than Hit.

That being said, Hit stomps Freeza HARD because of his superior assassination techniques and time-skip. I'll have to agree with Bullza here, Hit would kill Freeza in three seconds.
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Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:41 pm

Base Android 13 vs Meta Cooler (the one that Goku and Vegeta fought and managed to defeat together)

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Post by Roronoa-pt » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:26 am

Chickenchaser wrote:[spoiler]
With 100% of his power, Beerus destroys Vegetto Blue.
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Beerus With 100% is weaker than SSJB Vegetto, Shin state this.
Shin isn't aware of Beerus' full power, he only knows his power based on his fight against SSJG Goku. Vegetto is definetly superior to that Beerus but the Hakaishin is capable of reaching much more power.

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