PFM18 wrote:The 50 fold figure regardless of the fact that it came out "almost 10 years ago"(which in the grand scheme of things really isn't that long at all.) These are still official multipliers that make sense within the series. 20x Kaioken wasn't enough against Freeza but SSJ was so naturally it makes sense that this official multiplier is accurate.
The narrator, Beerus AND the episode title make it abundantly clear that Goku as a Super Saiyan surpassed SSG. The title is something along the lines of "Surpass a Super Saiyan God" the narrator states that he has surpassed a Super Saiyan God, and Beerus confirms it. They were referring to his normal super saiyan form because that was the form he was using at the time during that entire episode. The bit about surpassing SSG is made extremely clear to the audience well before Super Saiyan Blue makes an appearance.
Goku said that Fusion wouldn't be enough against this suppressed Beerus. Goku knows that fusion wouldn't be enough and he could easily go SSJ3 as part of Vegetto. and then Beerus uses more power and he fights evenly with him as a Super Saiyan God.
The series makes it extremely clear if you want to deny it for some reason that is your own choice.
Let’s simplify this. We have Toriyama directly giving numbers to Super Saiyan God (6) and Beerus (10) back in a Battle of Gods’ comic. Using the official and indisputable multiplier of Super Saiyan, we have SSGSS being something like 300. Even if SSGSS was as strong as SSG, using the regular kaioken on top of that would make Goku at least “over 12”, which doesn’t jive well with Beerus’ superiority over 10x or 20x kaioken even as far as the Tournament of Power went. Of course, the numbers given by Toriyama himself worked within the context of the movie (Beerus using about 70% of his full power), as well as the 50-fold figure on Freeza’s fight, but it doesn’t mean they are perfectly adjustable to a different sequence of events. That’s what I mean.blain218 wrote:It doesn't matter how old a source is, its still an official source. And they all say SSJ is a 50x boost whether you like it of not.
Goku is never wrong when estimating people's power and he is one half of Vegito, so he knows full well what SSJ3 Vegito is capable of. And since even Goku says that SSJ3 Vegtio is still weaker than suppressed Beerus then its a fact.
About the discussion at hand. No, the episode in which Goku fights Beerus as a regular Super Saiyan has a totally different title “This is every ounce of power I have! The Battle of Gods’ conclusion!”. The episode that has the title “Goku, Surpass the Super Saiyan God!” has Goku fighting almost entirely on his Super Saiyan God form, the regular Super Saiyan just appeared in the final minutes. And during their conversation, none knew what happened with Goku, he just didn’t feel like he was any weaker. Regardless, he didn’t keep that power when he went to train with Whis.
Still, I don’t understand how you know which form of Vegetto Goku was thinking when he compared himself with Beerus. He doesn’t tell much. Either way, we have two Saiyan girls surpassing Super Saiyan God with Potara and they weren’t even using Super Saiyan, so there is nothing clear. This is just some factoid you are making up.