The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[PFM18]

Are you sure about these 2?

I love how polite you are about adamantly disagreeing with me. It's such a breath of fresh air from other forums.

Its highly likely that Vegeta's Final Flash against Jiren (which was likely at least equal to the U7 Spirit Bomb) would have definitely killed a non-immortal, halo-wearing Merged Zamasu

I thought you were referring to Vegeta in general in 122 not the power output he had in the Final Flash. Because the FF in that episode, given that episode's emphasis on it with all the amazed statements, was leaps and bounds above his normal power output.

Also, its been confirmed by the writers that SSBKKx20 & SSBE are equal, and SSBE Vegeta surpassed GoD Toppo. So that means........

Why did you ask the question if you already knew the answer then?

And no, it wasn't "the writers" who said that, it was a singular director of a singular episode throughout the entirety of Super, and an episode in which neither SSBKKx20 or SSBE even appear. They hardly speak for the entire staff. Also, they said "about equal" not "exactly equal"

Regardless of what they said, in 123 it was depicted that SSBKKx20 Goku=SSBE Vegeta and Toppo beat the crap out of the same Vegeta prior to his boost.

[zarmack]

Why did you ask the question if you already knew the answer then?

Just curious to see everyone's opinions. That's all

[p-hyvo]

Wounded Jiren (ep.131) vs Ultimate Gohan (ToP)
SSJ4 Baby vs Nova Shenron
Piccolo (RoF) vs Perfect Cell
SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs Merged Zamasu (halo, no immortality)
Krillin (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek)
SSJ4 Goku (early Android arc) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Base Vegito (Saiyan arc, could use KKx4 if needed) vs 100% Freeza (Namek arc)
SSJ3 Goku (ToP, full stamina) vs SSJ2 Caulifla, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ1 Kale
Android 16 vs Metal Cooler
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs GoD Toppo

R1 : wounded Jiren stomps, goku and frezer had a plot/rage boost in order to compete with him

R2 : nova stomps, ssj4 baby gets beaten by an hypothetical ssj3 s17 arc goku

R3 : perfect cell stomps, in ROF piccolo isn't that much stronger than in buu saga

R4 : Vegeta ep 122 stomps, even at the start of the tdp, that zamasu was a God tier. After aniraza Vegeta got a boost, so that first merged zamasu gets beaten by post aniraza god goku

R5 : I can go with ceiling this time, even if there in so evidence

R6 : ssj4 in z scales out of ssj vegeth, so the mult is so high that, probably, early android arc ssj4 goku would stomp even super perfect cell

R7. : given the insanely high mult + kaioken x4, I think that saiyan saga vegeth could win, but I have to figure him out.as it is now, that is an empirical opinion, I'll calculate him this evening just to be sure of it

R8 : ssj3 goku stomps. Even wounded, he dominated ssj2 kale + ssj2 caulifla

R9 : metal cooler via regeneration and superior sheer power

R10 : post top goku obviously, considering that god toppo was a kkx20 tier in late top

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Why aren't people answering my questions anymore?

[p-hyvo]

Why aren't people answering my questions anymore?

What were your questions?I'll answer em

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Why aren't people answering my questions anymore?

What were your questions?I'll answer em

New Hypothetical Question
How strong would Future Trunks (from his arc) be if he had his potential unlocked by Elder Kaioshin?

[ZombieVito]

Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rage Trunk - Who is the strongest hybrid saiyan?

Golden Frieza (ToP) vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Hit (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Golden Frieza (ToP)

SSJR Goku Black vs Toppo (regular form)

I give this to Trunks but it's very close.
Freeza was skilled enough to counter attack IT so I give this to him. He's far stronger than Hit.
Goku Black easily. Especially if he has the scythe.
They are equals IMO. I give this to Black again if he has the scythe.
Goku Black is stronger. Unless Toppo uses his GoD form he loses.

All fights are anime only

UI Omen Black vs Jiren (no awakened form)
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-ROSAT) vs SSBKKx10 Goku (U6 arc)
Base Kefla vs Golden Freeza (RoF arc)
SSJ3 Goku (early Android arc, no heart virus) vs Kamicollo
SSJ3 Gohan (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu
Base Vegito (Buu arc) vs Base Goku (Baby arc)
2nd Omen Goku vs SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP)
SSG Vegito (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu
SSJ1 Vegeta (Buu arc) vs Perfect Cell
Turles (one apple) vs 2nd form Freeza (Namek arc)

An exact repeat of E129. Black unlocks the full UI and beats Jiren.
Goku only needs to use regular Blue Kaioken to win.
Freeza wins very easily.
Goku one shots.
Gohan is stronger but Boo has regeneration so he outlasts him.
Vegetto.
How can we know this? Movie is not out.
Zamasu one shots.
Cell beats him with small difficulty.
Freeza.

Wounded Jiren (ep.131) vs Ultimate Gohan (ToP)
SSJ4 Baby vs Nova Shenron
Piccolo (RoF) vs Perfect Cell
SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs Merged Zamasu (halo, no immortality)
Krillin (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek)
SSJ4 Goku (early Android arc) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Base Vegito (Saiyan arc, could use KKx4 if needed) vs 100% Freeza (Namek arc)
SSJ3 Goku (ToP, full stamina) vs SSJ2 Caulifla, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ1 Kale
Android 16 vs Metal Cooler
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs GoD Toppo

Seeing as a wounded Freeza was giving him trouble, Gohan wins.
No idea.
Piccolo is still weaker than him at this time. Cell one shots.
Vegeta would need for that super powerful Final Flash to hit to win. Otherwise he gets stomped.
Kuririn takes this easily.
Cell.
Freeza still wins base on my calculations.
Goku will run out of stamina quickly. The U6 team win eventually.
16.
We can't know this.

[p-hyvo]

Why aren't people answering my questions anymore?

What were your questions?I'll answer em

New Hypothetical Question
How strong would Future Trunks (from his arc) be if he had his potential unlocked by Elder Kaioshin?

From what ewe have seen ,
Mystc FP>>>>ssb≥ssj rage as a multiplier
So, if rage trunks was a SSB Tier in His arc, he would track gods of destruction , Mui goku and jiren with such a multiplier, or, if not them, he should at least be on par with ssj2 kefla

[Zamasu55]

Wounded Jiren (ep.131) vs Ultimate Gohan (ToP)
SSJ4 Baby vs Nova Shenron
Piccolo (RoF) vs Perfect Cell
SSB Vegeta (ep.122) vs Merged Zamasu (halo, no immortality)
Krillin (Cell Games) vs 3rd form Freeza (Namek)
SSJ4 Goku (early Android arc) vs Semi-Perfect Cell
Base Vegito (Saiyan arc, could use KKx4 if needed) vs 100% Freeza (Namek arc)
SSJ3 Goku (ToP, full stamina) vs SSJ2 Caulifla, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ1 Kale
Android 16 vs Metal Cooler
SSBKKx20 Goku (Post-ToP) vs GoD Toppo

- Gohan wins easily.
- Nuova.
- Cell stomps.
- If Merged Zamasu was immortal, he'd have won, but withouth immortality he can't survive Vegeta's Final Flash.
- Even First form Freeza defeats him.
- Pass.
- Pass.
- Goku without a sweat.
- 16 wins easily as Metal Cooler was defeated with Ssj Goku and Vegeta from the Androids arc.
- After a ferocious battle, Toppo takes him down with his God of Destruction powers.

[PFM18]

What were your questions?I'll answer em

New Hypothetical Question
How strong would Future Trunks (from his arc) be if he had his potential unlocked by Elder Kaioshin?

From what ewe have seen ,
Mystc FP>>>>ssb≥ssj rage as a multiplier

how exactly do you figure that?

[p-hyvo]

From what ewe have seen ,
Mystc FP>>>>ssb≥ssj rage as a multiplier

how exactly do you figure that?

Simple :
Base Trunks was in Tier with base goku in his saga, and rage trunks became a ssb tier, so the multiplier is similar.
In the case of mystic, at the top we have :
Base goku>>>base caulifla>base kyabe >niggrishi>>panchia/borrarator/kohitsukai>base Gohan

So, since mystic Gohan at the top demonstrated himself to be a ssb tier, obviously mystic >>>>ssb as a multiplier
Obviously, Gohan has trained his mystic form and mystic multiplier (dbs) >>>mystic multiplier (dbz), since he trained and learned how to use all the mystic form's power

[PFM18]

Base goku>>>base caulifla>base kyabe >niggrishi>>panchia/borrarator/kohitsukai>base Gohan

Ok first of all, Base Goku from what we had seen wasn't that much stronger than Caulifla. And this doesn't work because Gohan was shown to be around equivalen to Goku before the Tournmanent. Base Gohan is aroound as strong as Base Goku, and Ultimate Gohan is weaker than SSB Goku.

[p-hyvo]

Base goku>>>base caulifla>base kyabe >niggrishi>>panchia/borrarator/kohitsukai>base Gohan

Ok first of all, Base Goku from what we had seen wasn't that much stronger than Caulifla. And this doesn't work because Gohan was shown to be around equivalen to Goku before the Tournmanent. Base Gohan is aroound as strong as Base Goku, and Ultimate Gohan is weaker than SSB Goku.

Nope kek
Base goku >>base caulifla, counting the fact that a wounded ssj2 goku was enough to take both ssj2 caulifla and ssj kale.
Base Gohan is much weaker than goku, infact they've never confronted in base (during the training, vs both base and ssj2 goku , Gohan was mystic to a degree, as shown.
Ssb goku kaioken> fullpower mystic gohan>>>>Ssj2goku=leess suppressed mystic gohan>>Base goku=suppressed mystic Gohan>base piccolo>>>>base gohan

[RecolorSaiyan]

Ultimate has no set multiplier. its literally gohan being able to use all of his power without having to transform , the same way fighters like hit and jiren do.

Base gohan post kai sword was probably more or less = base goku in the buu saga , ultimate gohan was probably ten times stronger than ss3 goku.

So in the buu saga gohans fp was 4000 times his "base"

In super, he is god-blue tier in both versions of the story which would put the "multiplier" well above the buu saga one.

Its not that "ultimate" is inherently > ssb as a power boost, it depends on the user. "ultimate" on someone like say a nappa would never reach the levels it reached with gohan

[p-hyvo]

Ultimate has no set multiplier. its literally gohan being able to use all of his power without having to transform , the same way fighters like hit and jiren do.

Base gohan post kai sword was probably more or less = base goku in the buu saga , ultimate gohan was probably ten times stronger than ss3 goku.

So in the buu saga gohans fp was 4000 times his "base"

In super, he is god-blue tier in both versions of the story which would put the "multiplier" well above the buu saga one.

Its not that "ultimate" is inherently > ssb as a power boost, it depends on the user. "ultimate" on someone like say a nappa would never reach the levels it reached with gohan

Pre mystic Gohan was stronger gohan goku in base, and the difference between mystic gohan,and ssj3 goku in buu saga Is muvh mire gohan 10 times

[PFM18]

Base goku>>>base caulifla>base kyabe >niggrishi>>panchia/borrarator/kohitsukai>base Gohan

Ok first of all, Base Goku from what we had seen wasn't that much stronger than Caulifla. And this doesn't work because Gohan was shown to be around equivalen to Goku before the Tournmanent. Base Gohan is aroound as strong as Base Goku, and Ultimate Gohan is weaker than SSB Goku.

Nope kek
Base goku >>base caulifla, counting the fact that a wounded ssj2 goku was enough to take both ssj2 caulifla and ssj kale.
Base Gohan is much weaker than goku, infact they've never confronted in base (during the training, vs both base and ssj2 goku , Gohan was mystic to a degree, as shown.
Ssb goku kaioken> fullpower mystic gohan>>>>Ssj2goku=leess suppressed mystic gohan>>Base goku=suppressed mystic Gohan>base piccolo>>>>base gohan

There's no such thing as "mystic to a degree" that makes no sense. They did confront in Base and they are around each other. He's either "mystic" or he isn't, there's no being partially mystic or any crap like that.

[Nevaeh]

How far does movie Beerus get in Super?

Golden Frieza
Hit
Goku Black
Halo Zamasu
109 Jiren and SSBKKx20 Goku

[Kataphrut]

How far does movie Beerus get in Super?

Golden Frieza
Hit
Goku Black
Halo Zamasu
109 Jiren and SSBKKx20 Goku

Jiren in 109 is the first one said to explicitly surpass Beerus, so I'd say he gets that far.

[p-hyvo]

How far does movie Beerus get in Super?

Golden Frieza
Hit
Goku Black
Halo Zamasu
109 Jiren and SSBKKx20 Goku

Movie beerus? You mean beer us from bog?
Simple, he gets cockslapped by SSB ROF goku
And golden freezer ROF
Black goku maybe in his base could lose to him, but rosé stomps
Halo zamasu = sssbs from his saga >>>>2 ssbs ROF >>beerus bog
Jiren and kkx20 top goku stops, top goku doesn't even need ssg to beat bog beerus imo

[RecolorSaiyan]

Movie Beerus is a galaxy buster at best, he’d get slapped by Dbs SSG Goku from the BoG arc