GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:It actually was stated three times by Goku:
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two [Goten and Trunks], if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat [Boo] within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”
Chapter: 477 (DBZ 283), P11.8
Context: Chi-Chi thinks Goten will get killed by Boo
Goku: “Don’t worry. If he perfects the technique he’s trying now, he definitely ain’t gonna lose.”
Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!”
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…”
You're absolutely messing my point. Goku never said that Gotenks is stronger than him except to Piccolo, even though he NEVER told Buu:
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Later Goku calls it a gamble that Gotenks is left to fight Buu. Everyone was worried, and Goku was calming everybody down. In fact, Goku even states that they might need the RoSAT later on, which was true. Piccolo sensed Base Gotenks and still concluded that they should train for an entire day as much as possible. Gotenks's power was also never portrayed as great as Goku's, and Daizenshuu implies Gotenks was weaker than even Vegeta
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:How could Goku not go full power when he barely has control over the form? It took him years of training to be able to suppress Super Saiyan properly, so for him to supperss a much more strainful form that he just achieved is impossible. Goku was only holding back his efforts and not actively trying to kill Boo. Almost like they were sparring.
No not really. Based on the power Piccolo sensed from Goku, he wondered whether Goku could beat Fat Buu, and Goku answers him that he would have lost. Goku then tells Piccolo that he didn't even try to beat him, but Piccolo rolled with the possibility that Goku is weaker, hence he wanted Gotenks to train more despite Goku claiming Gotenks will be stronger than him. Then we are given a concession from Goku that he could beat Buu.
Your argument is just speculation here. "Impossible" because of a reason that was never mentioned or implied isn't a reasoning.
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:Goku is never implied to be weaker than Boo, either. He said he couldn't win, what is quite possible when your opponent is almost as strong as you, has infinitely better stamina and learns techniques pretty quickly
Except he admits that he could have killed Buu before, which means he really was giving the impression that he's weaker than Buu:
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So what you posted me doesn't prove much. The atmosphere was under pressure of the fact that Buu's power is unbeatable. So he had to calm down everybody, which is proven by him stating it's a gamble to leave things for Gotenks after sensing their powers, and that's under the possibility that Gotenks could enter the RoSAT. The only time Piccolo admits that Gotenks > Goku
indirectly was when Gotenks was beating up Super Buu:
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Never has it been implied before, other than using misinterpreted lines
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:How strong is Movie 12 Vegeta then? It's implied Boo did exist in this universe (Vegeta is dead, Goku says Boo was the first foe who forced him to use SSJ3, Gotenks exists, etc), so automatically things should play out more or less the same for more or less half of the arc
Did exist =/= Same thing. Movie 12 follows the movies directly in a single timeline, and each one takes place not in the same timeline stated by Akira Toriyama, and the plot inconsistencies can be used to approve of this. Another point is that feats and scaling in each movie is far different than anything the main continuity has shown, each with their major differences.
Ssj2 Vegeta is able to survive attacks from Janemba and react to some of his attacks, which were able to combat a Ssj3 Goku who's far above his main continuity counterpart.
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:When he went back to earth. Movie 12 Vegeta never returned to Earth.
I never did say he did get stronger in Movie 12 than he already was
GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:The movies are what if scenarios, so until a certain divergent point they likely played out the same as the Anime, thus the power scaling is still vaguely similar (Except on implied cases like Movie 3).
Not just movie 3, but every movie. Movie 8 for example has feats which far surpass anything the Cell Saga has ever shown. Movie 9 Bojack as well did so. Movie 10 Also revealed this same case, where Gohan in base form is stronger than his Ssj counterpart in movie 8. Base Gohan in Movie 12 is stronger than Bojack, because he oneshotted Frieza who was ruling Bojack and commanding him, and fleed when Gohan beat Frieza With every other fighter. Paragus appeared there, which means Broly existed as well.
So no, not just Movie 3. Movies have a completely different scaling.