The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:41 pm

RecolorSaiyan wrote:SSJ3 Vegito (Buu Saga, No time limit) vs Final Form Freeza (Res F)?
Vegito can win with just ssj, and possibly base.
Ssjcell wrote:Bora vs beginning of Dragonball Goku
Korin vs king piccolo
Grown up upa vs ranfan
-both are bullet proof, but I think Bora is probably stronger until Goku trains with Roshi.
-King Piccolo. The best Korin could probably beat is Tao and Crane hermit.
-Ranfan wasn't really that strong, she relied on trickery. If Upa is anywhere near as strong as his dad he stomps her unless he falls for her charms, but even then she isn't strong enough to damage him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:45 pm

New match (equal powers):

- Mutenroshi and Son Gohan vs. Freeza (can't transform/destroy the planet)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by AvatarReiko » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:30 pm

Kamicollo(Saiyan Arc Post training) vs Ginyu
Kamicollo vs SSJ Goku (Kami instead of Nail)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:09 am

ricky84 wrote:Anime only:

SSJ2 Cabba (ToP) vs SSJ2 Future Trunks (end of Black arc)
Metal Cooler (5th form) vs Perfect Cell
SSJ2 Caulifla (ToP) vs SSJ2 Gohan (ToP)
SSJ1 Goku (Baby arc) vs Buuhan
Vegito (Saiyan arc) vs 100% Freeza (Namek arc)
SSJ2 Vegeta (ToP) vs SSJ2 Caulifla & SSJ1 Kale
Base Gotenks (Buu arc post-Rosat) vs Piccolo (BoG)
SSJ2 Vegeta (Shadow Dragon arc) vs SSJ1 Vegito (Buu arc)
Mastered Berzerk Kale vs SSG Goku (Black arc)
Cabba losses to SS F.Trunks after a good fight.
Cell with ease.
Base Gohan in the ToP is on par with Piccolo who already is low SS tier so SS Gohan completely wrecks her.
Evil Boo.
Freeza.
The girls take this. They aren't that far behind.
Even Android arc Piccolo beats him.
Vegetto.
Goku still wins.
ricky84 wrote:Base Vegito (ToP) vs True Golden Freeza
Base Gotenks (Buu arc Post-Rosat) vs MSSJ Goku (Cell Games)
Fatigued Jiren (ep.131) vs Hit (ToP)
UI Omen Goku (Namek arc) vs Base Vegito (Buu arc)
SSBE Vegeta (Saiyan arc) vs Ultimate Gohan (Buu arc)
SSJ Rage Trunks (Cell Games) vs SSG Goku (BoG)
Freeza wrecks him badly.
Goku finger flicks.
Hit takes this easily. He's low SSB tier while tired Jiren was base - SS tier.
UI Goku.
Vegeta.
Trunks.
Zamasu55 wrote:10 new fights:

1) Nuova Shenron and Eis Shenron vs Ultimate Gohan (ToP) and 17 (ToP)
2) Syn Shenron vs SsjR Goku Black (ep.56 & 57)
3) Yamcha and Krillin (Buu saga) vs Tenshinan (Namek saga, after training on King Kai's planet)
4) SsjG Goku (BoG) vs Saonel and Pilina
5) Cumber (base) vs Hakaishin Toppo
6) Freeza (second form, Namek) vs Garlick Jr (transforned; anime filler)
7) Janemba (first form) vs Ssj2 Adult Gohan (Buu saga) and Dabura
8) Dodoria vs Dr. Wheelo
9) Piccolo (Namek saga, before fusing with Nail) vs Cui
10) Magetta vs Piccolo (ToP)
Gohan and 17.
Black.
Yamcha finger flicks.
Saonel and Pirina murder him.
Toppo.
Garlick Jr takes this.
janemba is an idiot in that form so he loses.
Dodoria.
Piccolo finger flicks.
Magetta is more durable and powerful but Piccolo knows his weakness so he wins.
Noah wrote:New matches:

- SSJ Kid Trunks vs. Super Trunks
- SSJ Goten vs. Super Vegeta
Kids take this with small difficulty.
Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Golden Freeza vs Super Vegetto 3? (Both from RF; Vegetto has no time limit; Freeza has no stamina drain)
Vegetto beats him easily.
RecolorSaiyan wrote:SSJ3 Vegito (Buu Saga, No time limit) vs Final Form Freeza (Res F)?
Even SS Vegetto one shots.
Ssjcell wrote:Bora vs beginning of Dragonball Goku
Korin vs king piccolo
Grown up upa vs ranfan
Bora stomps.
Piccolo takes this with small difficulty.
I honestly don't know. I guess I give this to Ranfan.
AvatarReiko wrote:Kamicollo(Saiyan Arc Post training) vs Ginyu
Kamicollo vs SSJ Goku (Kami instead of Nail)
Poor Piccolo gets stomped in both fights. God's merger is only a two times boost.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:41 am

dragon boss z wrote:Vegito can win with just ssj, and possibly base.
Uhh how exactly? That is, Base Vegetto having any chance in hell lol? I agree SSJ Vegetto would win but I think with moderate difficulty. An iteration of Vegetto 50x weaker would get his face pounded in

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:57 pm

PFM18 wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:Vegito can win with just ssj, and possibly base.
Uhh how exactly? That is, Base Vegetto having any chance in hell lol? I agree SSJ Vegetto would win but I think with moderate difficulty. An iteration of Vegetto 50x weaker would get his face pounded in
We don't know anything besides final form Frieza's strength besides that it should be stronger than Buu, but so is base Vegito.
Piccolo<ssj Gohan<first form Frieza<=>Buu<final form Frieza<=>base Vegito<ssj Vegito
Also I'm not sure if the regular multipliers apply to fusions.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ssjcell » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:00 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:Kamicollo(Saiyan Arc Post training) vs Ginyu
Kamicollo vs SSJ Goku (Kami instead of Nail)
Kamicollo
Ssj Goku easily

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by AvatarReiko » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:46 am

Base Uub vs SSJ3 Kid Goku (Pre Tail)
Adult SSJ3 Goku vs Baby Vegeta V2

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TobyS » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:56 am

Mastered Blue Vegito vs Jiren (manga)
UI Omen Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
SSBE+ Blue Kaioken Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
SSBE OR Blue Kaioken Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
Blue Vegito vs Jiren (anime)

UI omen AND UI omen Vegeta vs Jiren (anime)

UI Omen Kefla vs Jiren (Anime and manga)

Omen Goku and Omen Vegeta and Hit and Kefla and the rest of U6 and 7 vs Jiren (anime)
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Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:44 pm

TobyS wrote:Mastered Blue Vegito vs Jiren (manga)
UI Omen Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
SSBE+ Blue Kaioken Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
SSBE OR Blue Kaioken Vegito vs Jiren (anime)
Blue Vegito vs Jiren (anime)

UI omen AND UI omen Vegeta vs Jiren (anime)

UI Omen Kefla vs Jiren (Anime and manga)

Omen Goku and Omen Vegeta and Hit and Kefla and the rest of U6 and 7 vs Jiren (anime)
1. Vegito in his base was able to seriously hurt M. Zamasu before receiving a senzu. If this Vegito is during the ToP, he easily wins since M. SsjB is basically equal to KKx20 and SsjBE.

2. Vegito easily, if he doesn’t defuse immediately.

3. Same as above.

4. I believe Jiren wins with very high difficulty. If he can outlast the fusion, it’s a guarantee.

5. I assume UI Goku And UI Vegeta? Yes, with moderate difficulty. Jiren was just slightly stronger than UI Omen Goku in the third round.

6. I still give it to Jiren. Yes, Kefla has the potential to be stronger than Vegito. But Jiren is still stronger in both cases.

7. Jiren loses badly, UI Goku ahd Vegeta would be enough to cause him trouble and give them the win. But adding Hit, Kefla, and others. It’s a slaughter. Now if there was no UI or Fusion. Jiren easily.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ricky84 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:57 pm

TobyS wrote:
Omen Goku and Omen Vegeta and Hit and Kefla and the rest of U6 and 7 vs Jiren (anime)
That's a slaughter :lol:. Jiren loses pretty badly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ssjcell » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:40 pm

Kibito vs 18
Kibitokai vs SPC

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TobyS » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:03 pm

Ssjcell wrote:Kibito vs 18
Kibitokai vs SPC
Kibito is a match for base gohan according to the guides. Unless you are one of those that really wanks the saiyans in the buu arc in relation to piccolo and 18 this would tell you 18 slaughters.

Kaioshin is stronger then a ss1 (imo) can tk a ss2. Can stand up to buu for a few seconds.

Even if the multiplier is very small he owns Cell IMO. Cell is overrated he's still below a wounded Gohan who himself was slightly surpassed by Goku and Vegeta in the buu arc.

Kaioshin vs cell would be closer but in spcs cells favour.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ssjcell » Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:39 pm

TobyS wrote:
Ssjcell wrote:Kibito vs 18
Kibitokai vs SPC
Kibito is a match for base gohan according to the guides. Unless you are one of those that really wanks the saiyans in the buu arc in relation to piccolo and 18 this would tell you 18 slaughters.

Kaioshin is stronger then a ss1 (imo) can tk a ss2. Can stand up to buu for a few seconds.

Even if the multiplier is very small he owns Cell IMO. Cell is overrated he's still below a wounded Gohan who himself was slightly surpassed by Goku and Vegeta in the buu arc.

Kaioshin vs cell would be closer but in spcs cells favour.
I have the base Saiyans as roughly beyond 17 considering they were picked by dabura and babidi as opposed to piccolo and Kuririn if you think about it it makes sense

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ Vegetto » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:27 am

Ssjcell wrote:Kibito vs 18
Kibitokai vs SPC
Kibito was stated to have power rivals base Gohan, he can win.
Kibitokai Shin has power around SPC and Dabura is stronger than him and Dabra is above SPC. Kibitokai is many times stronger than Shin. Kibitokai wins.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:03 am

Ssjcell wrote:Kibito vs 18
Kibitokai vs SPC
Kibito gets demolished. He's featless.

That's a tough one. I'd give it to SPC, he's more impressive overall. Kibitoshin can beat SSJ2 Teen Gohan though.
SSJ Vegetto wrote:Shin has power around SPC
Not really. Goku threatened to one shot him as a Super Saiyan.
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Post by SSJ Vegetto » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:19 am

SSJ Vegetto wrote:Shin has power around SPC
Not really. Goku threatened to one shot him as a Super Saiyan.[/quote]

I think Buu Saga Goku is around CG MSsj. That's why i think Shin is around SPC level.
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Post by Desassina » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:35 am

Here's a section from my battle power list.
I would place Kibito at an 8, for his fusion with Kaioshin to be 40, times the necessary boost. He fought Zamasu at least. Kibito Kai would be twice the amount to surpass Dabra.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PFM18 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:06 pm

dragon boss z wrote:
PFM18 wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:Vegito can win with just ssj, and possibly base.
Uhh how exactly? That is, Base Vegetto having any chance in hell lol? I agree SSJ Vegetto would win but I think with moderate difficulty. An iteration of Vegetto 50x weaker would get his face pounded in
We don't know anything besides final form Frieza's strength besides that it should be stronger than Buu, but so is base Vegito.
Piccolo<ssj Gohan<first form Frieza<=>Buu<final form Frieza<=>base Vegito<ssj Vegito
Also I'm not sure if the regular multipliers apply to fusions.
We also know that he is even with the Goku who's SSJ was stated to have surpassed SSG. So at a minimum he is a 50th of SSG even assuming he had no training gains from Whis.(Obviously not)
SSJ Goku(post-ritual)>SSG>SSJ3 Vegetto>SSJ Vegetto>RoF Base Goku/Final Form Freeza

Or to put it in quantitatively....

Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 1
BoG Super Saiyan God Goku: 20,000
BoG SSJ Goku(post-ritual): 22,000
BoG Base Goku(post-ritual): 440

RoF Base Goku: 880 (assuming he got twice as strong from training with Whis)
RoF FInal Form Freeza: 880

SSJ Goku: 1
Base Vegetto: 25
SSJ Vegetto: 1250

So, the only way that you could possibly spin things in such a way that Base Vegetto would have any chance in hell of beating RoF Final Form Freeza is if you have an obscenely small multiplier for Super Saiyan God. Which, is going to be proportional to Vegetto anyways since we know SSG is superior to SSJ3 Vegetto so even then you couldn't really spin things that way either.

I don't see why the regular multipliers wouldn't apply to fusions.

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