The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Ahh I see your take too. And we both agree that SSJ4 Broly is stronger than a God of Destruction. We just differ in our opinions of a fight with Whis.ssj3kakarot wrote:Hulk10 wrote:Well given that Broly is a prodigal, Legendary Saiyan and he has in 30 years gained enough power to be more powerful than a God of Destruction in his Legendary Super Saiyan form, the higher up you go in the ladder of Saiyan transformations, the more powerful they become. And SSJ4 is in a tier similar to SSJB which is god level for ordinary Saiyans, so the question becomes, why wouldn't an Legendary SSJ4, be able to overpower an Angel if the basic Legendary Super Saiyan form is powerful enough to stomp a God of Destruction? That's my take.ssj3kakarot wrote:
Yeah. I feel like he's a hax character. Someone not even Broly can contend with.
What are you thoughts?
Ahh! My take is that because Whis one shots Beerus. It's a feat however you look at the scene. A rather impressive one too. I think SSJ4 Broly would indeed be stronger than a God of Destruction. However, the level between someone like Beerus and Whis, in my opinion, is extremely large. So even though SSJ4 Broly would be closer to Whis, the gap would still be too large to make a dent in the mountain known as Whis.
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Lol I'll answer it for you. Although I'm not the best with these "powerscaling" sort of questions. I'd guess he would be anywhere from Captain Ginyu to first form Freeza power wise perhaps?Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Nobody answered my question.
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Do you think that Broly has any chance of losing? Or that he would win almost any encounter against Whis? And would it be a struggle for him to take down Whis?Hulk10 wrote:Ahh I see your take too. And we both agree that SSJ4 Broly is stronger than a God of Destruction. We just differ in our opinions of a fight with Whis.ssj3kakarot wrote:Hulk10 wrote:
Well given that Broly is a prodigal, Legendary Saiyan and he has in 30 years gained enough power to be more powerful than a God of Destruction in his Legendary Super Saiyan form, the higher up you go in the ladder of Saiyan transformations, the more powerful they become. And SSJ4 is in a tier similar to SSJB which is god level for ordinary Saiyans, so the question becomes, why wouldn't an Legendary SSJ4, be able to overpower an Angel if the basic Legendary Super Saiyan form is powerful enough to stomp a God of Destruction? That's my take.
Ahh! My take is that because Whis one shots Beerus. It's a feat however you look at the scene. A rather impressive one too. I think SSJ4 Broly would indeed be stronger than a God of Destruction. However, the level between someone like Beerus and Whis, in my opinion, is extremely large. So even though SSJ4 Broly would be closer to Whis, the gap would still be too large to make a dent in the mountain known as Whis.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
I personally think that Broly or any Legendary Saiyan would struggle at first against Whis. So it wouldn't be a guarruntee after all, where's the fun in an easy victory. And Whis has Ultra Instinct, that's going to make it hard to hit him.ssj3kakarot wrote:Do you think that Broly has any chance of losing? Or that he would win almost any encounter against Whis? And would it be a struggle for him to take down Whis?Hulk10 wrote:Ahh I see your take too. And we both agree that SSJ4 Broly is stronger than a God of Destruction. We just differ in our opinions of a fight with Whis.ssj3kakarot wrote:
Ahh! My take is that because Whis one shots Beerus. It's a feat however you look at the scene. A rather impressive one too. I think SSJ4 Broly would indeed be stronger than a God of Destruction. However, the level between someone like Beerus and Whis, in my opinion, is extremely large. So even though SSJ4 Broly would be closer to Whis, the gap would still be too large to make a dent in the mountain known as Whis.
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Yeah I dont suspect it would be too much of a boost. Nail and kami arent parts of two halves so they wouldnt let the same level of a boost. Also, Kami is piss weak at this point. I would say that at the VERY most he would have jumped up to Ginyu level.Dragon Ball Gus wrote:New Hypothetical Question
How strong would Kami be if he fused Nail and regain his youth?
But power boosts are always plot based not logic based so if this were to happen in the series I would imagine it would be different than what I described.
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I always found it bs how piccolo went from around nappa level all the way to SECOND FORM FREEZA level just by fusing with someone who was well below even first form Freeza! I think the namek arc has the most ridiculous jumps in power in the entire series.PFM18 wrote:Yeah I dont suspect it would be too much of a boost. Nail and kami arent parts of two halves so they wouldnt let the same level of a boost. Also, Kami is piss weak at this point. I would say that at the VERY most he would have jumped up to Ginyu level.Dragon Ball Gus wrote:New Hypothetical Question
How strong would Kami be if he fused Nail and regain his youth?
But power boosts are always plot based not logic based so if this were to happen in the series I would imagine it would be different than what I described.
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Shhhh you can't complain about power scaling in the original series! That's only for DBS!Nokra wrote:I always found it bs how piccolo went from around nappa level all the way to SECOND FORM FREEZA level just by fusing with someone who was well below even first form Freeza! I think the namek arc has the most ridiculous jumps in power in the entire series.PFM18 wrote:Yeah I dont suspect it would be too much of a boost. Nail and kami arent parts of two halves so they wouldnt let the same level of a boost. Also, Kami is piss weak at this point. I would say that at the VERY most he would have jumped up to Ginyu level.Dragon Ball Gus wrote:New Hypothetical Question
How strong would Kami be if he fused Nail and regain his youth?
But power boosts are always plot based not logic based so if this were to happen in the series I would imagine it would be different than what I described.
But seriously though, he had been training with Kaio for a while and THEN he fused with Nail to get to 2nd form Freeza level. So it wasn't JUST because he fused with Nail but yeah I agree. Of course, that constitutes at least a 250x increase in power, but Piccolo getting incredibly large, unexplained power-ups is kind of his thing.
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Lol true. Only dbs has plot based powerups and asspulls at least according to some people.PFM18 wrote:Shhhh you can't complain about power scaling in the original series! That's only for DBS!Nokra wrote:I always found it bs how piccolo went from around nappa level all the way to SECOND FORM FREEZA level just by fusing with someone who was well below even first form Freeza! I think the namek arc has the most ridiculous jumps in power in the entire series.PFM18 wrote:
Yeah I dont suspect it would be too much of a boost. Nail and kami arent parts of two halves so they wouldnt let the same level of a boost. Also, Kami is piss weak at this point. I would say that at the VERY most he would have jumped up to Ginyu level.
But power boosts are always plot based not logic based so if this were to happen in the series I would imagine it would be different than what I described.
But seriously though, he had been training with Kaio for a while and THEN he fused with Nail to get to 2nd form Freeza level. So it wasn't JUST because he fused with Nail but yeah I agree. Of course, that constitutes at least a 250x increase in power, but Piccolo getting incredibly large, unexplained power-ups is kind of his thing.
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Those not in bold it's either a tie or me not knowing the outcome.Nokra wrote:New Battles
1.) Tien (TOP) vs. Muten Roshi (TOP)
2.) BofDB Goku (can't become Oozaru) vs. Videl (w/ ability to manipulate Ki)
3.) Mr. Satan vs. Chi-chi
4.) Whis vs. Vados
5.) Anilaza vs. SSJ Kefla
6.) FP Cell vs. Broly (Second Coming)
7.) Piccolo (TOP) vs Android 18 (TOP)
8.) All Hakaishin vs. Whis, Vados, Marcarita and Cus
9.) FP Jiren vs. FP New Broly (lol)
10.) GOD Toppo vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
11.) Golden Freeza (TOP) vs. Ultimate Gohan (TOP)
12.) Rage Trunks (TOP) and Ultimate Gohan (TOP) vs. SSBKK Goku (TOP)
13.) FP SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK×20 Goku vs. SS2 Kefla
14.) FP Toppo (No GOD Form) vs. Ultimate Gohan, Golden Freeza and Android 17
15.) Krillin (TOP) vs. SSJ Goku (BofAndroid arc)
16.) SSB Kefla vs. SSB Gogeta (TOP)(No Time Limit)
17.) SS3 Gohan (Buu arc) vs. Piccolo ( TOP)
18.) Golden Oozaru Cumber vs. Whis
19.) Vegito Blue (TOP) vs. UI Beerus
20.) FP Champa vs. All of Team U6
21.) Hit (TOP) vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
22.) Rose Goku Black (Scythe) (TOP) vs. SSB Vegeta, SSB Goku, Golden Freeza and Android 17 (All prior to the first awakening of Ultra Instinct)
23.) Dabura vs. Broly (8th Movie)
24.) Janemba vs. Buuhan (Fighting in Hell)
25.) UI Goku vs. UI Vegeta
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How strong is Chaozu?
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Below mercenary tao levelIn Brightest Day wrote:How strong is Chaozu?
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Tambourine vs yamcha (healed leg)
Tambourine vs yajirobe
Tambourine vs yajirobe
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1.) Probably Tenshinhan.Nokra wrote:New Battles
1.) Tien (TOP) vs. Muten Roshi (TOP)
2.) BofDB Goku (can't become Oozaru) vs. Videl (w/ ability to manipulate Ki)
3.) Mr. Satan vs. Chi-chi
4.) Whis vs. Vados
5.) Anilaza vs. SSJ Kefla
6.) FP Cell vs. Broly (Second Coming)
7.) Piccolo (TOP) vs Android 18 (TOP)
8.) All Hakaishin vs. Whis, Vados, Marcarita and Cus
9.) FP Jiren vs. FP New Broly (lol)
10.) GOD Toppo vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
11.) Golden Freeza (TOP) vs. Ultimate Gohan (TOP)
12.) Rage Trunks (TOP) and Ultimate Gohan (TOP) vs. SSBKK Goku (TOP)
13.) FP SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK×20 Goku vs. SS2 Kefla
14.) FP Toppo (No GOD Form) vs. Ultimate Gohan, Golden Freeza and Android 17
15.) Krillin (TOP) vs. SSJ Goku (BofAndroid arc)
16.) SSB Kefla vs. SSB Gogeta (TOP)(No Time Limit)
17.) SS3 Gohan (Buu arc) vs. Piccolo ( TOP)
18.) Golden Oozaru Cumber vs. Whis
19.) Vegito Blue (TOP) vs. UI Beerus
20.) FP Champa vs. All of Team U6
21.) Hit (TOP) vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
22.) Rose Goku Black (Scythe) (TOP) vs. SSB Vegeta, SSB Goku, Golden Freeza and Android 17 (All prior to the first awakening of Ultra Instinct)
23.) Dabura vs. Broly (8th Movie)
24.) Janemba vs. Buuhan (Fighting in Hell)
25.) UI Goku vs. UI Vegeta
2.) Goku. Videl is unimpressive.
3.) Chi-Chi oneshots. Even with Satan’s anime feats she oneshots.
4.) Vados is stronger isn’t she? Probably her.
5.) Kefla.
6.) Broli
7.) Piccolo. Not a stomp imo.
8.) Angels Curb-Stomp.
9.) Broli.
10.) If Vegeta can rage boost he wins.
11.) Freeza.
12.) Probably Goku.
13.) Probably Kefla.
14.) Team.
15.) Kuririn could win with techniques. Trading blows with fighters who can knock #18 to the ground is still impressive, no?
16.) Pass.
17.) Pass.
18.) Pass.
19.) Vegetto.
20.) Champa.
21.) Vegeta.
22.) Team overwhelms him.
23.) Broli.
24.) Boohan.
25.) Goku.
That’s hard to gauge since Toriyama never lets the poor vampire do anything after training on Kaio’s BUT-In Brightest Day wrote:How strong is Chaozu?
This is obviously not true. Not only was he stronger than Tao when he finished training at Kami’s ( Kami literally said they all surpassed him ) he also trained for over a year on Kaio’s then trained an additional 3 years for the artificial humans. And even with that he also constantly trains with Tenshinhan.Nokra wrote:Below mercenary tao levelIn Brightest Day wrote:How strong is Chaozu?
I mean...if only Toriyama would actually let him show the fruits of his training for once lmao.
I wanna know how strong Yajirobe is. Goku asked him is he was going to help fight the artificial humans and Yajirobe even said the only reason he wasn’t helping after Bulma scolded him was because he couldn’t fly. Does he train? You would think Goku would know how strong he is so did he get stronger or what?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Not true. He has always been stronger than Tao since his debut.Nokra wrote:Below mercenary tao level
Tambourine one shots. He one shoted Kuririn, who's at least as strong as Yamcha.Ssjcell wrote:Tambourine vs yamcha (healed leg)
Tambourine vs yajirobe
Goku fought Yajriobe and called him a tough opponent, so Yajirobe has got himself his dinner.
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I think he meant Cyborg Tao. The thing with his preliminary fight with Cyborg Tao, though, is that he didn’t bother actually fighting back. He just kinda froze up once he realized who it was.GreatSaiyaman123 wrote:Not true. He has always been stronger than Tao since his debut.Nokra wrote:Below mercenary tao level
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Nokra wrote:New Battles
1.) Tien (TOP) vs. Muten Roshi (TOP)
2.) BofDB Goku (can't become Oozaru) vs. Videl (w/ ability to manipulate Ki)
3.) Mr. Satan vs. Chi-chi
4.) Whis vs. Vados
5.) Anilaza vs. SSJ Kefla
6.) FP Cell vs. Broly (Second Coming)
7.) Piccolo (TOP) vs Android 18 (TOP)
8.) All Hakaishin vs. Whis, Vados, Marcarita and Cus
9.) FP Jiren vs. FP New Broly (lol)
10.) GOD Toppo vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
11.) Golden Freeza (TOP) vs. Ultimate Gohan (TOP)
12.) Rage Trunks (TOP) and Ultimate Gohan (TOP) vs. SSBKK Goku (TOP)
13.) FP SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK×20 Goku vs. SS2 Kefla
14.) FP Toppo (No GOD Form) vs. Ultimate Gohan, Golden Freeza and Android 17
15.) Krillin (TOP) vs. SSJ Goku (BofAndroid arc)
16.) SSB Kefla vs. SSB Gogeta (TOP)(No Time Limit)
17.) SS3 Gohan (Buu arc) vs. Piccolo ( TOP)
18.) Golden Oozaru Cumber vs. Whis
19.) Vegito Blue (TOP) vs. UI Beerus
20.) FP Champa vs. All of Team U6
21.) Hit (TOP) vs. SSBE Vegeta (Deathmatch)
22.) Rose Goku Black (Scythe) (TOP) vs. SSB Vegeta, SSB Goku, Golden Freeza and Android 17 (All prior to the first awakening of Ultra Instinct)
23.) Dabura vs. Broly (8th Movie)
24.) Janemba vs. Buuhan (Fighting in Hell)
25.) UI Goku vs. UI Vegeta
1. Roshi stomps
2. Goku crushes her
3. Chichi one shots
4. Vados with high-difficulty
5. SSJ Kefla one shots
6. Hell, M8 Broly one shots even SP Cell
7. Android 18 stomps (she's comparable to the SSJ1s of the ToP, While Piccolo is only on par with the base Saiyans)
8. Any single Angel could solo the Hakaishin
9. Broly obviously
10. SSBE Vegeta stomps him even harder than he did in the ToP.
11. Freeza has the edge thanks to his greater durability.
12. Future Trunks could solo if he has the Hope Sword
13. Either SSBE Vegeta or SSBKKx20 Goku could solo by the end of the ToP
14. The team wins with high-difficulty
15. Krillin stomps, could probably take on Cell even.
16. Kefla would win in this case.
17. Piccolo one shots
18. Whis still stomps
19. Vegito wins high difficulty
20. Champa solos
21. SSBE Vegeta one shots (he's already seen and experienced Hit's techniques, so they can't work on him twice)
22. All 4 of those guys surpassed Black by the start of the ToP
23. Broly one shots
24. Janemba wins, mid difficulty
25. Its a draw unless Goku can somehow stack Kaioken with it.
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Goku vs Manga Heroes
(Goku can transform, however all opponents are or have equal stats to every transformation he uses in battle)
1. Naruto
2. Ichigo
3. Yusake
4. Toriko
5. Luffy
6. Jotaro (can’t spam the world)
7. Kenshiro (can’t use spam his ultimate technique)
8. Guts
9. D
10. Sailor Moon
11. Gon
12. Natsu
13. Mediolias
14. Eren (AoT)
15. Seiya
16. Saitama
Which heroes can Goku beat and which ones can he not beat?
(Goku can transform, however all opponents are or have equal stats to every transformation he uses in battle)
1. Naruto
2. Ichigo
3. Yusake
4. Toriko
5. Luffy
6. Jotaro (can’t spam the world)
7. Kenshiro (can’t use spam his ultimate technique)
8. Guts
9. D
10. Sailor Moon
11. Gon
12. Natsu
13. Mediolias
14. Eren (AoT)
15. Seiya
16. Saitama
Which heroes can Goku beat and which ones can he not beat?
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With equal stats, Goku......Berserker1921 wrote:Goku vs Manga Heroes
(Goku can transform, however all opponents are or have equal stats to every transformation he uses in battle)
1. Naruto
2. Ichigo
3. Yusake
4. Toriko
5. Luffy
6. Jotaro (can’t spam the world)
7. Kenshiro (can’t use spam his ultimate technique)
8. Guts
9. D
10. Sailor Moon
11. Gon
12. Natsu
13. Mediolias
14. Eren (AoT)
15. Seiya
16. Saitama
Which heroes can Goku beat and which ones can he not beat?
1. loses
2. wins
3. wins
4. wins
5. wins
6. loses
7. ties
8. ties
9. loses
10. loses
11. ties
12. wins
13. wins
14. wins
15. loses
16. wins
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New Hypothetical Battle
Raditto (Goku (Saiyan Saga) and Raditz Potara Fusion) vs Vegetto (Saiyan Saga)
Raditto (Goku (Saiyan Saga) and Raditz Potara Fusion) vs Vegetto (Saiyan Saga)
Caulifla best girl!