Goku's Saiyan Pride

[Saiga]

I'm thinking of how Goku spent about two years on Yardrat when he could have teleported home any time he wanted to.

Learning the technique which later allowed him to both save the Earth and steal Roshi's sunglasses.

[Michsi]

I do think his tendency to make selfish decisions grows as the series progresses but I'm not sure him embracing his saiyan herritage is exactly how I'd word it.

Also, I agree with the_abberation in that a lot of those stupid decision come from his sense of fair play, giving Cell a senzu being a prime example, and he did stuff like this even before he found out about his true identity.

[DarkPrince_92]

I feel like most of Goku's "stupid" decisions could definitely be the Saiyan blood in him. Think about it, Vegeta has definitely done stupid things out of his overactive pride and self-confidence, but it the thrill Saiyans seek in battle to bring out the best in their opponent which pushes them to bring out best in themselves.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Gokuu quite persistently tells Kuririn that he wants to have a chance to fight Vegeta again and beat him, and later refuses to take a Senzu against Cell because, as supported by Vegeta, his pride wouldn’t let him and he’d rather die than do that. Of course, you could argue that the latter decision was because he knew, since Cell was stronger than him anyway and both of them were confident about that fact, the only way to defeat him would be through Gohan’s awakened dormant power.

"Saiyan blood" and "Saiyan pride" go hand-in-hand, with the exceptions being the half-Saiyans, since the only fundamental "Saiyan" thing they seem to get is their strength. Just look at what scholar-at-heart Gohan does at the Cell Games pre-SS2, or how all three of them (Gohan, Goten and Trunks) end up slacking off once they hit their teenage years.

Chi Chi knew he was a martial artist when she married him, and knew what she was getting into.

Well, martial artists normally don't do such things though...

Indeed. Even Vegeta probably paid more attention to his son than Goku did for his.

Although Chi-Chi really should have known what she was in for given how Goku and her got married. Goku does not exactly scream "commitment" in the romantic sense.

Chi-Chi was, like, 18 years old when she married Gokuu, and had had a crush on him since she was 12 (crushes for as long as that aren't out of the ordinary; poor example, but just look at Ross with Rachel in Friends). Not to mention how she'd presumably been living a secluded lifestyle with Gyuumao, who, even before they meet each other or he even knows about Chi-Chi's infatuation with him, offered her up to him just because he'd helped to blow away the flames around his house (and the house itself).

[Fox666]

Well, Goku promised to marry her, and he is a disciple of Kame-sennin and grandchild of Son Gohan, so it's not unthinkable.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, Goku promised to marry her, and he is a disciple of Kame-sennin and grandchild of Son Gohan, so it's not unthinkable.

Not entirely sure what your point is here, but whatever. Gokuu promised to marry her because he thought marriage was food, and he kept his promise later at the 23rd TB, despite not knowing what it was at the time, because Chi-Chi, who'd held onto this misguided "agreement" long ago, was pissed.

Either way, it doesn't really affect him, and if anything, he gets benefits. Free house, free food (home-cooked meals, no less!), free sex (I know Gokuu doesn't appear to have much in the way of a libido, but I think he'd still like it anyway when Chi-Chi comes down in the morning wearing sexy lingerie and gives him "mouth present"), and free sparring partners in the form of his children.

[Fox666]

I know Gokuu doesn't appear to have much in the way of a libido

Huh, I think he matured enough while training with Kami to know about that stuff.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I know Gokuu doesn't appear to have much in the way of a libido

Huh, I think he matured enough while training with Kami to know about that stuff.

I never said he didn't know about that stuff. Well, I don't think God ever taught him about sex or anything like that, since his main priority was training Gokuu in mind, body and soul to defeat Piccolo, and I believe that Chi-Chi gave him "physical sex ed lessons", but even after that, I think Gokuu largely cared more about training than sex and it was always Chi-Chi to take the initiative.

Heck, there are loads of sexually mature people IRL that don't have much of a libido. I know people that flat-out don't care about sex in general and rarely ever masturbate.

[OzzyApu]

I always thought Muten Roshi taught Goku sex ed, if only the basics (by that I mean "girls have this and boys have this"). Something about the Saiyans makes me think that despite being all about the warrior lifestyle, they dig sex. Maybe just the lust and the act, but second to fighting (or third to food). It's just that the cornball Saiyans we're stuck with for all their reasons aren't sexual upfront. Vegeta wants to top Goku, Goku wants to outdo himself, Gohan's shy, and Future Trunks is highly introverted and serious. So that sort of leaves Goten and Trunks - both of which are tame because of their upbringing.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I always thought Muten Roshi taught Goku sex ed, if only the basics. Something about the Saiyans makes me think that despite being all about the warrior lifestyle, they dig sex. Maybe just the lust and the act, but second to fighting (or third to food). It's just that the cornball Saiyans we're stuck with for all their reasons aren't sexual upfront. Vegeta wants to top Goku, Goku wants to outdo himself, Gohan's shy, and Future Trunks is highly introverted and serious. So that sort of leaves Goten and Trunks - both of which are tame because of their upbringing.

Nah, Gokuu still seems pretty blissfully unaware about the intricate details of sex, so if Muten Roushi did teach him any basic sex ed, I doubt it went beyond "this is a man, this is a woman, women are hot", and of course, reading erotic novels that wouldn't have made a lick of sense to him.

I think that Saiyans, like Earthlings, dig sex, and during their missions torturing and murdering the inhabitants of planets, they often raped them as well. And you're right in that the Saiyans we actually see aren't sexually upfront because Gokuu and Vegeta both have one-track minds and the former's a manchild, Gohan's had a sheltered lifestyle, and future Trunks has grown up in an apocalyptic future where the population was low and all his friends were dead. Goten and present Trunks seem to be normal Earthling teenagers, the former wanting to skip the Tenkaichi Budoukai because he had a date.

[Eire]

Actually the only trace of Saiyan's sex ed left by someone who was raised in their culture was Vegeta with "that vulgar woman". And even he was alienated from it at young age. Maybe because of that I've cut out "rape" from Saiyan's culture- "train, pillage and burn" would be enough. Besides, sexual lust is so basic instinct that's mostly imprinted- noone of the Sayians seem to be testosterone packed male from "cada dia mujer" kind, they all seem to catalyze their energy in other ways.

Also for Future Trunks apocalypse of any kind isn't the best time for chaisty- knowing the next day you can be dead people tend to seek for closeness and a way to reduce stress so they love faster and stronger. Especially those in charge. Especially when they shouldn't.

Edit: OK, I MUST have an answer. Most of the fanfics I've come across portrays Brolly as a maniacal rapist (of course till he finds his Mary Sue Bride). That's a bit curious to me- I've always imagined that we was something beyond this. Besides, 30 years old living under parent's thumb

[Piccolo Daimao]

Actually the only trace of Saiyan's sex ed left by someone who was raised in their culture was Vegeta with "that vulgar woman". And even he was alienated from it at young age. Maybe because of that I've cut out "rape" from Saiyan's culture- "train, pillage and burn" would be enough. Besides, sexual lust is so basic instinct that's mostly imprinted- noone of the Sayians seem to be testosterone packed male from "cada dia mujer" kind, they all seem to catalyze their energy in other ways.

Also for Future Trunks apocalypse of any kind isn't the best time for chaisty- knowing the next day you can be dead people tend to seek for closeness and a way to reduce stress so they love faster and stronger. Especially those in charge. Especially when they shouldn't.

Edit: OK, I MUST have an answer. Most of the fanfics I've come across portrays Brolly as a maniacal rapist (of course till he finds his Mary Sue Bride). That's a bit curious to me- I've always imagined that we was something beyond this. Besides, 30 years old living under parent's thumb

Well, Vegeta's entire race was destroyed when he was five, but I think he would've figured out about sex himself as he grew older. I think rape would be in line with the Saiyans' overall sadism. And I always percieved Saiyans to be pretty testosterone-packed, considering that they're a battle-obsessed warrior race.

And I don't think future Trunks, who was probably painfully shy anyway, really knew anyone other than his close friends and family: Blooma, Gohan, Chi-Chi, Karin, etc. Most of the population would've been dead, so I think he'd only have started thinking about dating once the future had been restored to peace.

Apart from in fanfics and erotic doujinshi, I'm not sure Broli would even have the sense to rape someone. I guess, if he really wanted to, he could've done it to Videl when he "fought" her in DBZ Movie #10, but he didn't. All he seems to understand is SMASH! To be honest, Broli's a fucking retard.

[Eire]

That could be a minor inconvenience, but his clothes, Sailor Moon style jewelry and face of a drugged manatee discredited him for me, but it seems that some fangirls have a strange fetishes.

Piccolo, my assumption about Trunks was based on real-life war memories where it's clear that people dealing with great loss and fear tend to seek for anyone that might share their feelings.

About sadism: not all thieves are murders, not all murders are rapists, but the latter seem to fuse in fiction. In spite of all porn fancomics Sayians in series had never shown the sign of abnormal libido (there's nothing hard to figure out what sex is about:)). I had an idea that they had a mating seasons and for the rest of the year didn't pay attention for females without proper scent. Besides considering their fighting methods it would be quite hard for them to rape on battlefield, unless they had a fetish for flesh burnt to the carbon.

[Piccolo Daimao]

That could be a minor inconvenience, but his clothes, Sailor Moon style jewelry and face of a drugged manatee discredited him for me, but it seems that some fangirls have a strange fetishes.

Piccolo, my assumption about Trunks was based on real-life war memories where it's clear that people dealing with great loss and fear tend to seek for anyone that might share their feelings.

About sadism: not all thieves are murders, not all murders are rapists, but the latter seem to fuse in fiction. In spite of all porn fancomics Sayians in series had never shown the sign of abnormal libido (there's nothing hard to figure out what sex is about:)). I had an idea that they had a mating seasons and for the rest of the year didn't pay attention for females without proper scent. Besides considering their fighting methods it would be quite hard for them to rape on battlefield, unless they had a fetish for flesh burnt to the carbon.

Different strokes for different folks, but I don't think Broli has any kind of sense to even respond to any potential sexual advances that any fool provide him.

And yeah, I understand Trunks' character and all, but I just don't know how he'd seek out outside of his own group that wasn't already dead or so far removed from him that, even if he tried to get close to them, they just wouldn't be able to relate or reject him.

I wasn't saying that all thieves are murderers, or all murderers were rapists, but I just think that Saiyans were brutal motherfuckers who aren't beneath a bit of rape. I think someone else once said that Saiyans were like space Vikings, and "pillage" and "rape" tends to go hand-in-hand, for some reason (I guess I need to look up my history).

[Eire]

Vikings were humans, while Sayians were not. Such a comparison is so worn out that it strips alien form of life from all exotic, basically reducing them to super strong, flying humans with all our desires and customs. Well, even humans culture produced more creative customs that I see in fanfics. It seems that the only model that comes into people minds is are all lustful and complete sexists and monogamous with king's wife proclaimed a queen. What a boredom, more creativity people! Wouldn't alien warriors with no taste in other forms of life be much scarier? No hope for Genghis Khan scenario and no bad slavefics .

[Piccolo Daimao]

Vikings were humans, while Sayians were not. Such a comparison is so worn out that it strips alien form of life from all exotic, basically reducing them to super strong, flying humans with all our desires and customs. Well, even humans culture produced more creative customs that I see in fanfics. It seems that the only model that comes into people minds is are all lustful and complete sexists and monogamous with king's wife proclaimed a queen. What a boredom, more creativity people! Wouldn't alien warriors with no taste in other forms of life be much scarier? No hope for Genghis Khan scenario and no bad slavefics .

By the way, Saiyans are humans and mostly similar to Earthlings. But let's end it here and agree to disagree.

[Eire]

(no cheek kissing icon, so you have three winks and a )
Back to being serious, Dragon Ball is surprisingly shy when it comes to say and name things concerning sex. Roshi's porn and pans OK, but no more adult topics. For example: Lois Lane had a pendant to protect her from being squeezed during preforming her wife's duties with Super. Did Dragon Ball ever mentioned that problem or we must assume that Chi-Chi and Videl were athletic, while Bulma was the active one?

[Piccolo Daimao]

(no cheek kissing icon, so you have three winks and a )
Back to being serious, Dragon Ball is surprisingly shy when it comes to say and name things concerning sex. Roshi's porn and pans OK, but no more adult topics. For example: Lois Lane had a pendant to protect her from being squeezed during preforming her wife's duties with Super. Did Dragon Ball ever mentioned that problem or we must assume that Chi-Chi and Videl were athletic, while Bulma was the active one?

I'm just going to go, "Fuck it", and say that they were skilled enough to suppress their strength even during sex.

[Saiga]

(no cheek kissing icon, so you have three winks and a )
Back to being serious, Dragon Ball is surprisingly shy when it comes to say and name things concerning sex. Roshi's porn and pans OK, but no more adult topics. For example: Lois Lane had a pendant to protect her from being squeezed during preforming her wife's duties with Super. Did Dragon Ball ever mentioned that problem or we must assume that Chi-Chi and Videl were athletic, while Bulma was the active one?

I'm just going to go, "Fuck it", and say that they were skilled enough to suppress their strength even during sex.

While I will go with the much stupider theory that Videl, Chi-chi and Bulma were the strongest humans, in that order.

[012yArthur0]

Well, When Chi-Chi was pissed about Bra, her Ki was red.

Therefore, we can say that Goku teached Kaioken to Chichi to handle the "strenght" difference

But yeah, DBZ Adult content is pretty weird, especially that makes the "Strenght" and "Ki supression" a mess.