How old is Gotenks?
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How old is Gotenks?
How old do you think Gotenks is? Goten and Trunks are 7 and 8 respectively, so the mean of those two ages are 7.5. But Gotenks appears to be taller than both of the kids. Is he just their ages added together, making him 15? And would his ageing process be accelerated?
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I'm pretty sure he is still a kid, 8 or something. Or maybe 7,5 years old?
Gohan also looked taller during his fight with Cell, but then shrunk down on the Lookout afterwards. I think it was just an artistic choice to make someone look more formidable.
But I have similar question regarding fusion and how they work. Take for instance Vegetto. There is a height difference between Goku and Vegeta, but Vegetto seems to be as tall as Goku instead of a little but shorter.
Gohan also looked taller during his fight with Cell, but then shrunk down on the Lookout afterwards. I think it was just an artistic choice to make someone look more formidable.
But I have similar question regarding fusion and how they work. Take for instance Vegetto. There is a height difference between Goku and Vegeta, but Vegetto seems to be as tall as Goku instead of a little but shorter.
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Probably 8. I don't see how would a fusion make someone younger than any of the fusees originally were. Nor older than the oldest of the fusees.
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If Gotenks was 15, then Goku & Vegeta would get an instant death when merging into Veku/Gogeta/Vegetto.
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But, in all his appearances, Gotenks consistently looked taller than both Goten and Trunks, even if it was just an artistic choice to make him look formidable. And he can't have been that formidable the second time he fought Boo in his base form.Michsi wrote:I'm pretty sure he is still a kid, 8 or something. Or maybe 7,5 years old?
Gohan also looked taller during his fight with Cell, but then shrunk down on the Lookout afterwards. I think it was just an artistic choice to make someone look more formidable.
But I have similar question regarding fusion and how they work. Take for instance Vegetto. There is a height difference between Goku and Vegeta, but Vegetto seems to be as tall as Goku instead of a little but shorter.
And I don't know about Vegetto. We know more about the conditions of Metamorian fusion than we do about Potara fusion.
Fusion goes by the laws of magic, which is none, and both Gokuu and Vegeta are Saiyans who have broken past the wall of normal Saiyan capability and retain their youth longer than normal Earthlings. That's why 40-year-old Gokuu and 54-year-old Vegeta at the end of the series (only counting the years they've endured ageing alive) still look roughly the same as their Saiyan arc selves, Toriyama's evolving artistic style notwithstanding.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:If Gotenks was 15, then Goku & Vegeta would get an instant death when merging into Veku/Gogeta/Vegetto.
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It's true that he looks taller but not enough to be 15. I know Goku looked about the same when he 15 as he did when he was 12 but as the same time Gohan at 16 looks like a normal teenager.But, in all his appearances, Gotenks consistently looked taller than both Goten and Trunks, even if it was just an artistic choice to make him look formidable. And he can't have been that formidable the second time he fought Boo in his base form.
Also, as it has been stated , that would mean that if they would fused in their 50's, they end up dead or very, very weak.
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Yeah, Saiyan-Earthling hybrids seem to age at a normal Earthling rate.Michsi wrote:It's true that he looks taller but not enough to be 15. I know Goku looked about the same when he 15 as he did when he was 12 but as the same time Gohan at 16 looks like a normal teenager.But, in all his appearances, Gotenks consistently looked taller than both Goten and Trunks, even if it was just an artistic choice to make him look formidable. And he can't have been that formidable the second time he fought Boo in his base form.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but read my above post again. Saiyans seem to get a growth spurt around 18 and don't really age throughout adulthood. I'm ignoring DBO for this discussion, as that's not necessarily manga canon. At least, it was never confirmed by Toriyama or the DBO staff/creators.Michsi wrote:Also, as it has been stated , that would mean that if they would fused in their 50's, they end up dead or very, very weak.
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I read it and I think it still applies. Also, I think Toriyama mentioned that Saiyans have a limit to how long they can stay looking young before DBO, in an interview. And I specifically said 50's because because with the age adding rule Gotenks would be 100 and saiyans don't have a longer life span than humans. Not to mention that we are talking about half-saiyans and they might ag differently then humans. We already noted that the difference between 15 year old Goku and 16 year old Gohan.Piccolo Daimao wrote: I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but read my above post again. Saiyans seem to get a growth spurt around 18 and don't really age throughout adulthood. I'm ignoring DBO for this discussion, as that's not necessarily manga canon. At least, it was never confirmed by Toriyama or the DBO staff/creators.
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I know that Toriyama said, and what I'm saying is that we still don't know exactly where the limit stops, so there's room for speculation. And I thought you were talking about Vegetto. I mean, it might still apply, but you know, different methods of fusion under different conditions.Michsi wrote:I read it and I think it still applies. Also, I think Toriyama mentioned that Saiyans have a limit to how long they can stay looking young before DBO, in an interview. And I specifically said 50's because because with the age adding rule Gotenks would be 100 and saiyans don't have a longer life span than humans. Not to mention that we are talking about half-saiyans and they might ag differently then humans. We already noted that the difference between 15 year old Goku and 16 year old Gohan.Piccolo Daimao wrote:I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but read my above post again. Saiyans seem to get a growth spurt around 18 and don't really age throughout adulthood. I'm ignoring DBO for this discussion, as that's not necessarily manga canon. At least, it was never confirmed by Toriyama or the DBO staff/creators.
And these half-Saiyans are obviously much, much stronger than both normal Earthlings and full-blooded Saiyans. They might drop in power, but Muten Roushi, who was over 300 years old, could still fight and hadn't keeled over yet.
I'm still just playing devil's advocate here, by the way. I'm just throwing out theories.
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Gohan was PHYSICALLY NEARLY 18 at the time he was established to be 16, so you can't use him as a comparison to a 15 year old...
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Re: How old is Gotenks?
9 or 10 years old
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No, with Vegetto I only mentioned the idea with the height, tough the same question applies to him.I know that Toriyama said, and what I'm saying is that we still don't know exactly where the limit stops, so there's room for speculation. And I thought you were talking about Vegetto. I mean, it might still apply, but you know, different methods of fusion under different conditions.
And these half-Saiyans are obviously much, much stronger than both normal Earthlings and full-blooded Saiyans. They might drop in power, but Muten Roushi, who was over 300 years old, could still fight and hadn't keeled over yet.
I'm still just playing devil's advocate here, by the way. I'm just throwing out theories.
And Roshi, though still strong, is probably way weaker than his younger self. So the resulting fusion could turn out way weaker than either of Goten or Trunks. Even if we don't know where the limit stops, there is little room for speculation when we know that a saiyan's life span isn't longer than than that of humans and that they rapidily degenerate after a certain age. It's hard to think they still be the same at the age of 90 something.
Meh, I never gave much thought to that notion, if you age or not in the RoSaT. To me he was 16 (possibly 17 at the tournament). In any case, Goten was 16/17 at the end of DB and also looked like an adult. Also future Trunks.hleV wrote:Gohan was PHYSICALLY NEARLY 18 at the time he was established to be 16, so you can't use him as a comparison to a 15 year old...
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I'm unsure how relevant this is to your point but....I came up with a theory that Saiyans grow and mature slightly faster as they train and increase their power, crediting the fact that their a warrior race So the young looking Gokuu could just be that he was weak, enabling him not to grow, while Gohan, Goten and Trunks all had extraordinary power, causing them to look fully grow by their late teens.Michsi wrote:Meh, I never gave much thought to that notion, if you age or not in the RoSaT. To me he was 16 (possibly 17 at the tournament). In any case, Goten was 16/17 at the end of DB and also looked like an adult. Also future Trunks.hleV wrote:Gohan was PHYSICALLY NEARLY 18 at the time he was established to be 16, so you can't use him as a comparison to a 15 year old...
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Re: How old is Gotenks?
He looks taller when he's Super Saiyan 2 because of the hair, Goku always looked taller too when he was Super Saiyan just because of that hair.Michsi wrote:Gohan also looked taller during his fight with Cell, but then shrunk down on the Lookout afterwards.
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No, he clearly looks more developed and taller, even as a regular SSJ, where his hair isn't that much spikier than his normal hair. Look at the panels before he starts to fight Cell.The Time Traveller wrote:He looks taller when he's Super Saiyan 2 because of the hair, Goku always looked taller too when he was Super Saiyan just because of that hair.Michsi wrote:Gohan also looked taller during his fight with Cell, but then shrunk down on the Lookout afterwards.
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Re: How old is Gotenks?
If I had to come up with an in-universe explanation, it would be Goten and Trunks' bodies were too immature to handle the necessery energy for a fused body, similar to how Goku could not use Shunkan Ido as a child. The fusion just took advantage of their aggregate ages to create a slightly more mature body.
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Re: How old is Gotenks?
Well, age is technically 'how long has it been since you were born', so... I guess this question can't really be answered.
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If a kid and an elder merged together, what would happen? It would turns out in an adult, I guess. So I would say Gotenks has the body of a 7.5 years old kid.
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Is the Elder Kaioshin's backstory in the manga, or is it filler? Because that would explain how fusing with two separate ages works.
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Saiga wrote:Is the Elder Kaioshin's backstory in the manga, or is it filler? Because that would explain how fusing with two separate ages works.