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Re: Strongest human

Post by Titan » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:21 am

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Titan wrote:The staff who made one of the Daizenshuus is the same who worked in the anime.
Actually, if i'm not mistaken, the same people who did Daizenshuu's BP were the same who worked in the anime.
Toei's involvement in the Daizenshuu was only for the anime-only stuff. So, no, they didn't work on the battle powers.
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Re: Strongest human

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:48 am

It was a group working for Shueisha, or something like that. Someone else, like Herms, should know more than I know.
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Kaboom » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:59 am

I'm really scratching my head over this. Not just this specific thread, but the many before it.

Everything official that has even the slightest opinion on the matter consistently labels Kuririn as the strongest Earthling. Tenshinhan is likewise consistently grouped in with him in the 'Earthlings' category, despite however much alien ancestry he may have. Which means, yes, Kuririn's stronger than him. Even as late into the series as when Battle of Gods takes place, evidently.

What's so wrong with that? Why complicate it? What makes Tenshinhan so much more "special" than Kuririn in anyone's eyes to merit all this twisting of logic and playing word games just to create even the tiniest, weaseliest, bullsh*ttiest little avenue of escape from him being, horror of horrors, weaker than the short person?

Who cares if Tenshinhan's weaker? He and Kuririn are both scrubs compared to the big players like the Saiyans or Piccolo or the Kaioshin or Freeza or Cell or Majin Boo. What does it matter if Ten's the second-biggest of all the little ants stacked up against dinosaurs?
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Titan » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:15 am

Kaboom wrote:I'm really scratching my head over this. Not just this specific thread, but the many before it.

Everything official that has even the slightest opinion on the matter consistently labels Kuririn as the strongest Earthling. Tenshinhan is likewise consistently grouped in with him in the 'Earthlings' category, despite however much alien ancestry he may have. Which means, yes, Kuririn's stronger than him. Even as late into the series as when Battle of Gods takes place, evidently.

What's so wrong with that? Why complicate it? What makes Tenshinhan so much more "special" than Kuririn in anyone's eyes to merit all this twisting of logic and playing word games just to create even the tiniest, weaseliest, bullsh*ttiest little avenue of escape from him being, horror of horrors, weaker than the short person?

Who cares if Tenshinhan's weaker? He and Kuririn are both scrubs compared to the big players like the Saiyans or Piccolo or the Kaioshin or Freeza or Cell or Majin Boo. What does it matter if Ten's the second-biggest of all the little ants stacked up against dinosaurs?
Of course, Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan. We will see if Kuririn is still the strongest after the movie.

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Re: Strongest human

Post by Zephyr » Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:19 pm

Kaboom wrote:I'm really scratching my head over this. Not just this specific thread, but the many before it.

Everything official that has even the slightest opinion on the matter consistently labels Kuririn as the strongest Earthling. Tenshinhan is likewise consistently grouped in with him in the 'Earthlings' category, despite however much alien ancestry he may have. Which means, yes, Kuririn's stronger than him. Even as late into the series as when Battle of Gods takes place, evidently.

What's so wrong with that? Why complicate it? What makes Tenshinhan so much more "special" than Kuririn in anyone's eyes to merit all this twisting of logic and playing word games just to create even the tiniest, weaseliest, bullsh*ttiest little avenue of escape from him being, horror of horrors, weaker than the short person?

Who cares if Tenshinhan's weaker? He and Kuririn are both scrubs compared to the big players like the Saiyans or Piccolo or the Kaioshin or Freeza or Cell or Majin Boo. What does it matter if Ten's the second-biggest of all the little ants stacked up against dinosaurs?
Well I was once in the camp of Tenshinhan being stronger (prior to the influx of official word contradicting my beliefs). I think the biggest thing that just made it implicit to me that he was the superior of the two was that he was always more willing to confront the bigger enemies than Krillin was, and unconsciously I connected Tenshinhan's greater willingness to do so with a supposed greater ability to do so.

In addition to that I was comparing Krillin's unlocked potential + his lack of training to Tenshinhan's training at Kaios + his constant training, and felt that by the Buu arc at least Tenshinhan would be the obviously superior one. I dismissed Yamcha's line about Krillin's superiority, both in-universe as Yamcha simply comforting Krillin's daughter, and out-of-universe as Toriyama not having Tenshinhan anywhere on the brain due to his absence.

I realize now though that Krillin being the stronger of the two despite the fact that Tenshinhan is less of a pansy makes the characters more interesting. Krillin's the strongest human, but he happens to be a complete coward when the odds are stacked against him. Tenshinhan isn't the strongest human, but that doesn't interfere with his willingness to fight even the strongest foes to the last breath.

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Re: Strongest human

Post by Kaboom » Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:23 pm

You hit the nail on the head. While actions generally speak louder than words, they're just as often an indication of character rather than ability. Tenshinhan rushing off to fight people that Kuririn doesn't would just make him braver than Kuririn, not necessarily stronger.
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Fox666 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:46 pm

Titan wrote:Of course, Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan. We will see if Kuririn is still the strongest after the movie.
Since in the movie he is also described as the strongest human, it seems unlikely that Tenshinhan would reveal more power than him. And frankly, since that is just repeating what was said in the Boo saga, I doubt they are even going to have any chance to show how strong they are in this movie.

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Re: Strongest human

Post by Titan » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:22 pm

Fox666 wrote:
Titan wrote:Of course, Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan. We will see if Kuririn is still the strongest after the movie.
Since in the movie he is also described as the strongest human, it seems unlikely that Tenshinhan would reveal more power than him. And frankly, since that is just repeating what was said in the Boo saga, I doubt they are even going to have any chance to show how strong they are in this movie.
We will see, so far, we've seen Tenshinhan moving to fight, but, it is quite possible that he will be defeated with a kick or something like that. However, I learned that you never should take things for granted or you can have some nasty surprises.

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Re: Strongest human

Post by mister yummy » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:14 pm

I forgot Yajirobe entirely!

Ox King may indeed be too high on my list. ChiChi may indeed be stronger than Videl and even Mr. Satan. I consider these matters of opinion. The rest of it, I stand by. Mr. Satan is stronger than Videl, Nam, and any other human who hasn't surpassed their human limitations. Videl's a special case. Gohan seems to think she's stronger than her dad, but he hasn't seen him in 7 years, is weaker himself, and never really saw him fight anyway. Sure, Videl could fly circles around him, or simply pick him up and drop him out of a ring, but in terms of pure power, gotta give it to Hercule.

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Re: Strongest human

Post by Saiga » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:54 pm

Mr Satan didn't train over those 7 years either, and is according to Videl the exact same strength.

And Gohan can sense ki.

Videl is stronger.
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Re: Strongest human

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:19 pm

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Flamzeron wrote:Who would you say is the strongest human in the entire DragonBall series and why?

For me, I'd say Tenshinhan. He seems more serious about training and keeping up his strength. Although Kuririn and Yamcha are both strong, they don't really train to keep up their skill that much, besides for the tournament during the Majin Buu arc. I feel like Tenshinhan has always been serious about his training. That's just my opinion.

Also, sorry if there is an actual answer from Akira Toriyama or something and I'm just wasting everyone's time. I heard something about Toriyama saying that Kuririn was the strongest human, but I haven't seen any proof.
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Herms » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:42 pm

Kaboom wrote:You hit the nail on the head. While actions generally speak louder than words, they're just as often an indication of character rather than ability. Tenshinhan rushing off to fight people that Kuririn doesn't would just make him braver than Kuririn, not necessarily stronger.
Thirded. The entire reason Tenshinhan's confrontations with Cell and Boo are cool, and why they speak so well of him as a character, is precisely because Tenshinhan is not strong enough to stand up to them, but does so anyway. To cite them as examples of Tenshinhan's strength misses the point. I know that doesn't prove anything in regard to his strength relative to Kuririn, but it's something that frequently gets ignored in these discussions.
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Gokuden » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:24 am

Well, if no human's power level went over 100,000 in the series, how could the Z fighters hold their own against the Cell juniors and Tenshinhan agaist Super Buu... ?
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Kaboom » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:31 am

They didn't. The humans all got the stuffing beat out of them by the Cell Juniors, and Tenshinhan did nothing against Boo but use the Kikoho to deflect a small attack aimed for Dende.
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Gokuden » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:13 pm

Kaboom wrote:They didn't. The humans all got the stuffing beat out of them by the Cell Juniors, and Tenshinhan did nothing against Boo but use the Kikoho to deflect a small attack aimed for Dende.
Hahaha, so true, I just wanted to see how people would frame their beat-down, I was playing the Devil's advocate here.
Tenshinhan confuses me so, I mean Kikoho uses life energy, but is life energy more powerful than ki? Or are they one in the same? This also shortens his life-span. Is there a multiplier for the Kikoho vs regular ki attack?
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Kaboom » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:38 pm

The closest thing we ever got to a "multiplier" for the Kikoho was Muten Roshi's original description of it telling us it was way more powerful than the Kamehameha.
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Rocketman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:30 pm

ChiChi is the most powerful human. Roshi said so.

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Re: Strongest human

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:52 pm

Rocketman wrote:ChiChi is the most powerful human. Roshi said so.
Well, after all she did survived living with an abusive husband like Goku and even pushed Goten to the point where he reached SSJ status (in the anime, she also tanked a kick from him when he was at SSJ form... like a boss). ;)
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Re: Strongest human

Post by Mystic Gohan » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:17 pm

Unless Tien and Krillin fight each other in the movie, you're not going to get a good comparison between the two. If they do fight someone, it's gonna be someone vastly stronger than them, and they are both going to get rocked.

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Re: Strongest Earthling

Post by Flamzeron » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:44 am

Mystic Gohan wrote:Unless Tenshinhan and Krillin fight each other in the movie, you're not going to get a good comparison between the two. If they do fight someone, it's gonna be someone vastly stronger than them, and they are both going to get rocked.
Very true. I suppose it doesn't really matter who is the strongest Earthling, as they will get pummeled by the big bad. I just thought this would be a good discussion. I personally think it has, despite the "OMG Why??" reaction this thread seems to be getting.

I also changed the title of this thread to broaden it more.

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