How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby Zephyr » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:57 am

Goku's line can easily be interpreted as SSj God Goku > SSj Vegetto, I'll grant that. But to say that it entails SSj God Goku > SSj3 Vegetto, I would argue, is pushing it a bit. To assume this would be to assume that Vegetto himself is a predictable character in terms of power. An assumption which I think contradicts the very essence of his character.

Just my interpretation though.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby hleV » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:26 am

I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby Zephyr » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:46 am

hleV wrote:I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.


I'm not sure, I think that was meant to be more of "the strongest in Z who had already appeared".

The thing with Whis turning out to be more powerful seemed to be intentionally saved as a "twist" of sorts, which would have totally lost the effect if it had been told in the supplementary material before the film even aired.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby hleV » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:57 am

Zephyr wrote:I'm not sure, I think that was meant to be more of "the strongest in Z who had already appeared".

It states what it states, I don't deal in theories on what it was or wasn't supposed to state.

Zephyr wrote:The thing with Whis turning out to be more powerful seemed to be intentionally saved as a "twist" of sorts, which would have totally lost the effect if it had been told in the supplementary material before the film even aired.

This doesn't excuse the wrong statement. If you leave a surprise at the end, don't make statements that would turn out wrong.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby dario03 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:35 am

hleV wrote:I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.


Do we know for sure that Whis is stronger? Couldn't he just be close to as powerful and a better martial artist or trainer? I saw the end of the movie and don't recall them flat out saying hes stronger and the end scene could just be him being powered up more. I could of missed something but I don't recall them saying for sure who was stronger.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby Super Vegetto » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:41 am

dario03 wrote:
hleV wrote:I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.


Do we know for sure that Whis is stronger? Couldn't he just be close to as powerful and a better martial artist or trainer? I saw the end of the movie and don't recall them flat out saying hes stronger and the end scene could just be him being powered up more. I could of missed something but I don't recall them saying for sure who was stronger.


It seams that he is stronger. Just before Goku said something about Whis, Bills interrupted him. It's pretty obvious that he would say "So he is the strongest", or "So he is number 1".
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby dario03 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:48 am

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hleV wrote:I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.


Do we know for sure that Whis is stronger? Couldn't he just be close to as powerful and a better martial artist or trainer? I saw the end of the movie and don't recall them flat out saying hes stronger and the end scene could just be him being powered up more. I could of missed something but I don't recall them saying for sure who was stronger.


It seams that he is stronger. Just before Goku said something about Whis, Bills interrupted him. It's pretty obvious that he would say "So he is the strongest", or "So he is number 1".


Yeah I remember that, but that still doesn't tell us for sure who is stronger. Before that Goku says Bills is the strongest and Bills doesn't disagree, he just talks himself up and tells Goku that he(Goku) is the 2nd strongest that he has fought. So Whis might be stronger but he also might just be in between Goku and Bils.

Was there any official word from the movie makers?
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:15 am

According to Herms, Chozenshuu 4 confirms that Whis is the strongest.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby dbzfan7 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:49 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Here's what Herms said.

Herms wrote:After becoming Super Saiyan God and fighting Beers a bit, Goku says he never knew there was a "realm" like this [the word here, sekai, means "world" or "realm" and is presumably being used metaphorically to mean a general level of power. For instance, during the Cell arc Trunks tells Kuririn about how Vegeta got super strong training in the RoSaT, but one day Trunks surpassed that "realm" by reaching the form we now call Super Saiyan Grade III. In the film, "realm" pops up again later when Beers says Goku has absorbed SSG's "realm" into his body, but more on that later. Goku's surprise at the "realm" of SSG could be taken to mean it's stronger than Vegetto (and any other form Goku's ever reached before), but maybe he's surprised that he got this strong without using a form of fusion. This is also the same movie where Mister Satan has to be told again about how Dende is God of Earth, so arguably Goku going "wow, never knew I could get this strong" isn't too conclusive].


Though not 100% conclusive it seems to me Goku never felt any power like this before. People say stuff like this all the time when referring to a new huge power.

Well, Herms said that before seeing the movie, so... I should better make a thread about it.


This was before? Even so he'd be basing his statements on what Kei said and I'd trust his analysis over fan subs that usually suck.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:00 pm

hleV wrote:I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.

Again, there's another way to interpret that statement. History implies anything preceding Battle of Gods.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:27 pm

I'm posting this for more or less comedic purposes, but still it brings up a good question.

How would Vegito fare in this form?

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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby dbzfan7 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:42 pm

What the hell is that? Super Saiyan God 4?
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:49 pm

I'm assuming that's Ssj4. If so, Vegetto stomps Beers.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:06 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:What the hell is that? Super Saiyan God 4?


Yep, SSJG4.

Essentially Vegito X Vegito X4000.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby dbzfan7 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:10 pm

I think Vegetto would be so powerful he would be able to break through the fictional barrier and become a real being in our world. Then our universe would implode.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:13 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I think Vegetto would be so powerful he would be able to break through the fictional barrier and become a real being in our world. Then our universe would implode.


Thats a Gurren Lagann level of power.
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby dbzfan7 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:25 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I think Vegetto would be so powerful he would be able to break through the fictional barrier and become a real being in our world. Then our universe would implode.


Thats a Gurren Lagann level of power.


Gurren Lagann went into the real world and caused our universe to explode?
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:30 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I think Vegetto would be so powerful he would be able to break through the fictional barrier and become a real being in our world. Then our universe would implode.


Thats a Gurren Lagann level of power.


Gurren Lagann went into the real world and caused our universe to explode?


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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby dbzfan7 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:35 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I wish.


Then we'd all be dead. What's wrong with you :P
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Re: How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

Postby KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:38 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:I wish.


Then we'd all be dead. What's wrong with you :P


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