How strong would Vegetto be against Beerus?

[Zephyr]

Goku's line can easily be interpreted as SSj God Goku > SSj Vegetto, I'll grant that. But to say that it entails SSj God Goku > SSj3 Vegetto, I would argue, is pushing it a bit. To assume this would be to assume that Vegetto himself is a predictable character in terms of power. An assumption which I think contradicts the very essence of his character.

Just my interpretation though.

[hleV]

I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.

[Zephyr]

I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.

I'm not sure, I think that was meant to be more of "the strongest in Z who had already appeared".

The thing with Whis turning out to be more powerful seemed to be intentionally saved as a "twist" of sorts, which would have totally lost the effect if it had been told in the supplementary material before the film even aired.

[hleV]

I'm not sure, I think that was meant to be more of "the strongest in Z who had already appeared".

It states what it states, I don't deal in theories on what it was or wasn't supposed to state.

The thing with Whis turning out to be more powerful seemed to be intentionally saved as a "twist" of sorts, which would have totally lost the effect if it had been told in the supplementary material before the film even aired.

This doesn't excuse the wrong statement. If you leave a surprise at the end, don't make statements that would turn out wrong.

[dario03]

I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.

Do we know for sure that Whis is stronger? Couldn't he just be close to as powerful and a better martial artist or trainer? I saw the end of the movie and don't recall them flat out saying hes stronger and the end scene could just be him being powered up more. I could of missed something but I don't recall them saying for sure who was stronger.

[Super Vegetto]

I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.

Do we know for sure that Whis is stronger? Couldn't he just be close to as powerful and a better martial artist or trainer? I saw the end of the movie and don't recall them flat out saying hes stronger and the end scene could just be him being powered up more. I could of missed something but I don't recall them saying for sure who was stronger.

It seams that he is stronger. Just before Goku said something about Whis, Bills interrupted him. It's pretty obvious that he would say "So he is the strongest", or "So he is number 1".

[dario03]

I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.

Do we know for sure that Whis is stronger? Couldn't he just be close to as powerful and a better martial artist or trainer? I saw the end of the movie and don't recall them flat out saying hes stronger and the end scene could just be him being powered up more. I could of missed something but I don't recall them saying for sure who was stronger.

It seams that he is stronger. Just before Goku said something about Whis, Bills interrupted him. It's pretty obvious that he would say "So he is the strongest", or "So he is number 1".

Yeah I remember that, but that still doesn't tell us for sure who is stronger. Before that Goku says Bills is the strongest and Bills doesn't disagree, he just talks himself up and tells Goku that he(Goku) is the 2nd strongest that he has fought. So Whis might be stronger but he also might just be in between Goku and Bils.

Was there any official word from the movie makers?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

According to Herms, Chozenshuu 4 confirms that Whis is the strongest.

[dbzfan7]

Here's what Herms said.

After becoming Super Saiyan God and fighting Beers a bit, Goku says he never knew there was a "realm" like this [the word here, sekai, means "world" or "realm" and is presumably being used metaphorically to mean a general level of power. For instance, during the Cell arc Trunks tells Kuririn about how Vegeta got super strong training in the RoSaT, but one day Trunks surpassed that "realm" by reaching the form we now call Super Saiyan Grade III. In the film, "realm" pops up again later when Beers says Goku has absorbed SSG's "realm" into his body, but more on that later. Goku's surprise at the "realm" of SSG could be taken to mean it's stronger than Vegetto (and any other form Goku's ever reached before), but maybe he's surprised that he got this strong without using a form of fusion. This is also the same movie where Mister Satan has to be told again about how Dende is God of Earth, so arguably Goku going "wow, never knew I could get this strong" isn't too conclusive].

Though not 100% conclusive it seems to me Goku never felt any power like this before. People say stuff like this all the time when referring to a new huge power.

Well, Herms said that before seeing the movie, so... I should better make a thread about it.

This was before? Even so he'd be basing his statements on what Kei said and I'd trust his analysis over fan subs that usually suck.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I still see a possibility that base Vegetto is over Beerus. If the statement that Beerus is the strongest in Z doesn't apply to Whis, it doesn't have to apply to Vegetto neither.

Again, there's another way to interpret that statement. History implies anything preceding Battle of Gods.

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm posting this for more or less comedic purposes, but still it brings up a good question.

How would Vegito fare in this form?

[dbzfan7]

What the hell is that? Super Saiyan God 4?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'm assuming that's Ssj4. If so, Vegetto stomps Beers.

[KentalSSJ6]

What the hell is that? Super Saiyan God 4?

Yep, SSJG4.

Essentially Vegito X Vegito X4000.

[dbzfan7]

I think Vegetto would be so powerful he would be able to break through the fictional barrier and become a real being in our world. Then our universe would implode.

[KentalSSJ6]

I think Vegetto would be so powerful he would be able to break through the fictional barrier and become a real being in our world. Then our universe would implode.

Thats a Gurren Lagann level of power.

[dbzfan7]

I think Vegetto would be so powerful he would be able to break through the fictional barrier and become a real being in our world. Then our universe would implode.

Thats a Gurren Lagann level of power.

Gurren Lagann went into the real world and caused our universe to explode?

[KentalSSJ6]

I think Vegetto would be so powerful he would be able to break through the fictional barrier and become a real being in our world. Then our universe would implode.

Thats a Gurren Lagann level of power.

Gurren Lagann went into the real world and caused our universe to explode?

I wish.

[dbzfan7]

I wish.

Then we'd all be dead. What's wrong with you

[KentalSSJ6]

I wish.

Then we'd all be dead. What's wrong with you

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