Goku's Feats

[White Oni]

... And wouldn't that make him stronger than Superman?

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[Bullza]

Beerus isn't anywhere near as strong as Superman. Neither is Whis, they're on completely different levels.

[Hitiro]

I see...

OK then, I give up. Beerus destroyed these planets.

... And wouldn't that make him stronger than Superman?

You don't have to be stronger than Superman to do anything. Speed is probably the most important factor in the universe for damage. That is what people like the Flash can dish out more damage than Superman. If you accelerate a fist to the speed of light you'll be hitting with the power of a white dwarf star(supposedly). You could be the weakest person on the planet but if you're fast you will always throw something with more damage. Some versions of Superman have shown to be able to lift weight equal to the mass of the Earth and still haven't been able to throw a punch as damaging as the Flash because they lack the speed. So if Beerus is moving fast enough he would be able to pull off feats equal to someone as strong as Superman.

[xmysticgohanx]

Beerus isn't anywhere near as strong as Superman. Neither is Whis, they're on completely different levels.

Beerus (and base Goku) is in striking strength. If I'm not mistaken Superman's best punch only destroyed a moon.

[Haji]

I see...

OK then, I give up. Beerus destroyed these planets.

... And wouldn't that make him stronger than Superman?

You don't have to be stronger than Superman to do anything. Speed is probably the most important factor in the universe for damage. That is what people like the Flash can dish out more damage than Superman. If you accelerate a fist to the speed of light you'll be hitting with the power of a white dwarf star(supposedly). You could be the weakest person on the planet but if you're fast you will always throw something with more damage. Some versions of Superman have shown to be able to lift weight equal to the mass of the Earth and still haven't been able to throw a punch as damaging as the Flash because they lack the speed. So if Beerus is moving fast enough he would be able to pull off feats equal to someone as strong as Superman.

I understand what you mean but, how could someone so weak be able to obtain a speed so great(without being destroyed in the process of gaining speed) the punch would be that strong? and if they did that, they would be disintegrated on impact, no?

[Hitiro]

I understand what you mean but, how could someone so weak be able to obtain a speed so great(without being destroyed in the process of gaining speed) the punch would be that strong? and if they did that, they would be disintegrated on impact, no?

Well that would be durability. You can have good durability without being strong. The Flash wasn't a strong individual, the only reason he could throw punches like that was because the Speed Force protected him. But there is nothing to say you can't be fast and durable.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

My point is, Superman has to put some effort to destroy a planet, while Beerus destroyed 7 planets effortlessly.

[dario03]

My point is, Superman has to put some effort to destroy a planet, while Beerus destroyed 7 planets effortlessly.

We don't know anything about those planets. Are they super small planets like Kaio's? Is his planet's gravity super high because it is super dense or is the gravity just added to it because it was made that way? I would imagine Capsule Corps space ships aren't super dense but they can make artificial gravity 100s of times greater than Earths. And Kaio's planet wasn't pulling the afterlife clouds to it and the rocks kind of just floated there when Goku blasted out part of the planet even though the rocks didn't go far.

[Hitiro]

My point is, Superman has to put some effort to destroy a planet, while Beerus destroyed 7 planets effortlessly.

Well Superman had to destroy a dead moon, which was one of Saturn's, by accelerating to light speed I believe. He also destroyed a shadow moon created from magic with the help of Green Lantern but got knocked out by the explosion. It could be that the magical properties were the issue with this though as Superman doesn't tank magic very well. In comparison, Beerus' feat of destroying tiny planets isn't that impressive. SSJ Gotenks travel speed is around 1/5 the speed of light. So Beerus would be able to destroy them pretty easily travelling at that speed.

[Haji]

I guess if you go by the speed thing, maybe that is how Kame sennin and Piccolo destroyed the moon. the blast "might" have been weak but since they was near the speed of light, that did the damage. but i don't think speed is like that in the Dragon World.

[KentalSSJ6]

Bear with me and correct me at anytime with this because its all by the seat of my pants.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when Muten Roshi and Piccolo Jr. both destroyed the moon, they had power levels of around 300 yes? So, lets assume a PL of at least 300 is needed to destroy the moon.

SSJ Goku on Namek was at 150 million, so theoretically at that moment, he has enough energy to destroy the moon 500 thousand times over right?

So take the energy required to blow up the moon and multiply it by 500k and you have the force of SSJ Namek Saga Goku's Kamehameha, right? Again, I suck at math and this was by the seat of my pants.

[Hitiro]

Bear with me and correct me at anytime with this because its all by the seat of my pants.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when Muten Roshi and Piccolo Jr. both destroyed the moon, they had power levels of around 300 yes? So, lets assume a PL of at least 300 is needed to destroy the moon.

SSJ Goku on Namek was at 150 million, so theoretically at that moment, he has enough energy to destroy the moon 500 thousand times over right?

So take the energy required to blow up the moon and multiply it by 500k and you have the force of SSJ Namek Saga Goku's Kamehameha, right? Again, I suck at math and this was by the seat of my pants.

This is assuming that power scales linearly. It could be logarithmic or some other form of scaling.

[KentalSSJ6]

Bear with me and correct me at anytime with this because its all by the seat of my pants.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when Muten Roshi and Piccolo Jr. both destroyed the moon, they had power levels of around 300 yes? So, lets assume a PL of at least 300 is needed to destroy the moon.

SSJ Goku on Namek was at 150 million, so theoretically at that moment, he has enough energy to destroy the moon 500 thousand times over right?

So take the energy required to blow up the moon and multiply it by 500k and you have the force of SSJ Namek Saga Goku's Kamehameha, right? Again, I suck at math and this was by the seat of my pants.

This is assuming that power scales linearly. It could be logarithmic or some other form of scaling.

Assuming it does scale linearly, that makes GT Goku downright terrifying.

[freezamite]

The problem here is that you can't use real life physics to explain what an author that doesn't have that knowledge wants to express. I mean, MutenRoshi could destroy the moon, and then king piccolo could destroy just a city, but at the same time King Piccolo was stronger.

Toriyama had a serious problem with perspectives, the further an object was, the tinnier it became and in DB that meant it was weaker and easier to destroy. So in the DB world to destroy the moon from the earth was less of a feat than destroying a city from a plane. It doesn't have any sense, but that's how it works here in that manga, so you can't take "planetary destroying feats" until they do that at blank point range.

I'm sorry for all those physics here calculating energies in megatons or whatever, but this is fiction so real life physics just doesn't apply at all.

[Hitiro]

The problem here is that you can't use real life physics to explain what an author that doesn't have that knowledge wants to express. I mean, MutenRoshi could destroy the moon, and then king piccolo could destroy just a city, but at the same time King Piccolo was stronger.

Toriyama had a serious problem with perspectives, the further an object was, the tinnier it became and in DB that meant it was weaker and easier to destroy. So in the DB world to destroy the moon from the earth was less of a feat than destroying a city from a plane. It doesn't have any sense, but that's how it works here in that manga, so you can't take "planetary destroying feats" until they do that at blank point range.

I'm sorry for all those physics here calculating energies in megatons or whatever, but this is fiction so real life physics just doesn't apply at all.

This isn't the case. Destroying the moon from Earth was never considered less of a feat than destroying a city from a plane. The ease of destroying a city is an impressive feat. But not the scale of it. And I find it perfectly fine to apply physics to elements that aren't to do with Ki. This means punches, running speed, travel speed, etc. It's hard to factor in Ki because there is no way to make sense of such a thing with real life physics. But if x character can travel y distance in z time then we can calculate their speed.

[White Oni]

We're still talking about G vs S?
NO! Let's not go down this road, it leads to nowhere!

[Kaiza_Toshiyuki]

I realize that this forum is old, but I'd like to contribute Goku's most insane feat yet. He literally shakes infinity. In episode 110 of Dragon Ball Super, Goku emerges from the rubble form his fight with Jiren and without powering up, without charging an attack. From merely EXISTING Goku shakes the entire world of void, a dimension or plane of existence which is infinite. It is stated that the whole world of void dimension was shaking. Not the arena. Not the space around them. The entire infinite dimension.

[PFM18]

I realize that this forum is old, but I'd like to contribute Goku's most insane feat yet. He literally shakes infinity. In episode 110 of Dragon Ball Super, Goku emerges from the rubble form his fight with Jiren and without powering up, without charging an attack. From merely EXISTING Goku shakes the entire world of void, a dimension or plane of existence which is infinite. It is stated that the whole world of void dimension was shaking. Not the arena. Not the space around them. The entire infinite dimension.

Yeah that was a pretty big feat. But I think this thread is so old that most feats in Super probably weren't even mentioned.

[Polyphase Avatron]

That never made much sense to me because it wasn't shaking later when they were releasing much more power... besides, the whole place is supposed to be completely empty and made of nothingness. How does nothing 'shake'?

I was much more impressed by the Daishinkan changing the color of the entire dimension with no effort.

[Rakurai]

I realize that this forum is old, but I'd like to contribute Goku's most insane feat yet. He literally shakes infinity. In episode 110 of Dragon Ball Super, Goku emerges from the rubble form his fight with Jiren and without powering up, without charging an attack. From merely EXISTING Goku shakes the entire world of void, a dimension or plane of existence which is infinite. It is stated that the whole world of void dimension was shaking. Not the arena. Not the space around them. The entire infinite dimension.

That feat is about as reliable to scale as everyone in the arena breaking Katchi Katchin like it was regular rock. It makes zero sense even within the context of DB.