Gohan would have been not so helpless, and powerful enough to survive better than he initially did after Raditz's death. If he was taught to manage his power a little better by his dad then he might have even been able to defeat Raditz without Goku needing to sacrifice himself.Giran_Power1985 wrote:What if Chi Chi let Gohan both train and study before DBZ start?
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More along the lines of when Goku learned to use SS God power in his base form, just with Ultra Instinct insteadtheherodjl wrote:Are you talking about if UI wasn't a transformation or a power up, but just another technique? It definitely would help a lot. Goku never would've been caught off guard by Sorbet's laser, Vegeta & Goku both wouldn't have been stabbed by Black's Ki blade, and their ToP fights prior to Jiren would've gone quite a bit smoother. Too bad that they opted for their own style of fighting than letting pure instinct take over though.Champa The Destroyer wrote:What if Goku and Vegeta had been taught by Whis to successfully use Ultra Instinct in their base form (like Whis) before RoF? How would the RoF, U6, Future Trunks, and TOP Arcs play out?
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So if they had the power of UI in base form? Since UI is dozens of times stronger than SSJB then Goku & Vegeta would've had no trouble with opponents up until Merged Zamasu & Jiren. They still would've needed Zeno to eradicate Zamasu since he was immortal & omnipresent in his timeline, and they'd need to improve to the power & extent of MUI in order to beat Jiren.Champa The Destroyer wrote:More along the lines of when Goku learned to use SS God power in his base form, just with Ultra Instinct instead
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Hey theherodjl, can I get your perspective on the very popular What if Raditz turned good scenario?
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What-If Jiren got stuck in Universe 7 after the Buu saga? How would things change?
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Immediately after?Berserker1921 wrote:What-If Jiren got stuck in Universe 7 after the Buu saga? How would things change?
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Yes. Before Beerus.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Immediately after?Berserker1921 wrote:What-If Jiren got stuck in Universe 7 after the Buu saga? How would things change?
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For Raditz to turn good then he would've either needed to survive his battle with Goku & Piccolo or be revived by the DBs by the time of a much stronger Goku & Z Senshi then he'd probably head out to the wilderness to train, and vow to get his revenge on Goku. However, Goku's act of kindness might trigger a sense of gratitude in Raditz as well as a newfound respect for life so he may still his violent, Saiyan tendencies like Vegeta did, and find inner peace in his solitude. He'd always try to make it seem like he'll always be the emotionless monster who came to Earth for conquest, but deep down he probably just wants to survive like anyone else, and doesn't feel malice beyond people intentionally pissing him off. I can see him training alone like Tenshinhan & Piccolo initially did, only coming back in the story to help the Z Senshi fight off another serious threat, and refusing to let Goku simply surpass him so easily.Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Hey theherodjl, can I get your perspective on the very popular What if Raditz turned good scenario?
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He would contact either Whis or the Kaioshin and ask them to take him back to his own universe.Berserker1921 wrote:Yes. Before Beerus.Polyphase Avatron wrote:Immediately after?Berserker1921 wrote:What-If Jiren got stuck in Universe 7 after the Buu saga? How would things change?
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What do you think of the idea of him hooking up with Lunch? And then later on them having a daughter named Ranch?theherodjl wrote:For Raditz to turn good then he would've either needed to survive his battle with Goku & Piccolo or be revived by the DBs by the time of a much stronger Goku & Z Senshi then he'd probably head out to the wilderness to train, and vow to get his revenge on Goku. However, Goku's act of kindness might trigger a sense of gratitude in Raditz as well as a newfound respect for life so he may still his violent, Saiyan tendencies like Vegeta did, and find inner peace in his solitude. He'd always try to make it seem like he'll always be the emotionless monster who came to Earth for conquest, but deep down he probably just wants to survive like anyone else, and doesn't feel malice beyond people intentionally pissing him off. I can see him training alone like Tenshinhan & Piccolo initially did, only coming back in the story to help the Z Senshi fight off another serious threat, and refusing to let Goku simply surpass him so easily.Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Hey theherodjl, can I get your perspective on the very popular What if Raditz turned good scenario?
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What if Saichoro/Guru had been alive when Goku got out of the rejuvenation tank on Namek and Goku visited him to get his potential unlocked before engaging Freeza? How strong would Goku have become, and would it have been enough to make a difference pre-Super Saiyan?
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I forgot how strong gohan was before and after the power up, but Kuririn went from 18,000-75,000. So that's a 4x multiplier. So if goku got the same he'd be around 12-13 million. He'd be able to beat Frieza using kaiokenx20. And he would be much stronger as a ssj. Probably as strong as he was when the androids first appeared.Nineteen wrote:What if Saichoro/Guru had been alive when Goku got out of the rejuvenation tank on Namek and Goku visited him to get his potential unlocked before engaging Freeza? How strong would Goku have become, and would it have been enough to make a difference pre-Super Saiyan?
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What if Vegeta from the end of ToP, mind travelled back into time during the buu saga? What would happen? Would he be more powerful since he understands god ki in the future?
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That'd be something. It would add another half-Saiyan to the mix, and she could definitely help in future events such as the SSJG ritual. She might even have been the first female SSJ which may have been mistaken as a condition similar to her mother's personality switch, and she could even turn SSJ by sneezing for comedic effect.Dragon Ball Gus wrote:What do you think of the idea of him hooking up with Lunch? And then later on them having a daughter named Ranch?
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He'd have to train to get back to that level which shouldn't be a problem with his advanced knowledge. If it was in the time period prior to the Tenkaichi then Vegeta may have singlehandedly stopped the events from going down as they did, and saved the world. He would then inform Goku of what he knows, and it just may entice Goku to want to be revived by the Namekian DBs in order to be a part of future events.Berserker1921 wrote:What if Vegeta from the end of ToP, mind travelled back into time during the buu saga? What would happen? Would he be more powerful since he understands god ki in the future?
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What if something had caused Goku to get an extreme boost in power from taking damage (like Goku Black) starting in the beginning of DragonBall?
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Black jumped from mid ssj3 tier to blue level after a few good hits from goku. That's huge, if goku had this feat in db, but also remember if he became that strong that quickly. It would happen once. Because no one could hurt him after that big powe boost. But even if it happened once in DB, he'd easily be ssj2-skinny buu level.Champa The Destroyer wrote:What if something had caused Goku to get an extreme boost in power from taking damage (like Goku Black) starting in the beginning of DragonBall?
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What if Fat Boo had knocked off one of Shin's Potara while beating him up then put if on thinking that it looks cool?
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We wouldn't have a buu saga, because shin's good would be the tipping point. Fat buu was almost there after absorbing the other kaioshin. Also since this is a fusion, Beerus wouldn't have died and we'd have a near immortal kaioshin. Hopefully smart one at that.theherodjl wrote:What if Fat Boo had knocked off one of Shin's Potara while beating him up then put if on thinking that it looks cool?
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What if Goku and Vegeta fused during the ToP, against Jiren? Would they have won? Keep in mind this scenerio neither goku, Vegeta, or Vegito can do UI or turn ssjblue 2. Can he win?
What if goku some how achieved UI (not mastered) against Beerus, after losing his God form? Would he have done better against the god?
What if goku some how achieved UI (not mastered) against Beerus, after losing his God form? Would he have done better against the god?