The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:15 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote: Goku's power level initially was 90,000. Freeza's first form was 530,000. Goku hence would need a Kaioken x6 to be able to defeat First Form Freeza. Second Form Freeza's power level was beyond 1 million. At this point, Goku would need Kaioken x10 or higher. Piccolo with Nail absorbed and Goku together could easily defeat Second Form Freeza. After Freeza would transform into his third form, he would defeat Goku and Piccolo easily. At this point, if Goku received healing from Dende, then he would receive a zenkai, most likely the same one he received in the canon series from 90,000 to 3 million base. This would be enough to easily defeat Third Form Freeza. Freeza's 100% power level is 120 million. Thus, 1.5% of this is 1.8 million which is lower than Goku's base of 3 million. Freeza was lying when he said he's only using 1% of his true strength. Freeza 50% is at 60 million which is equal to Goku's Kaioken x20. This is evident from when Goku used Kaioken x20 Kamehameha but Freeza blocked it with his hand. Goku would still need Super Saiyan to defeat Freeza's Fourth Form.
What version of a fictional Earth do you think is in the Universe 6 of the Dragon Ball Super Anime and Manga Timelines? Do you think the Planet Earth of Universe 6 belongs to yet another legendary hit series from Japan like Yu-Gi-Oh! or Pokémon?

Would the Para Para Boogie introduced by the Para Para Brothers from Dragon Ball GT have worked on any of the villains from Dragon Ball Super? Like what if Goku had came across a purely good incarnation of the Para Para Brothers while on Planet Yardrat and gotten along with them so well as a matter of fact, they had taught Goku the Para Para Boogie, which the Saiyan hero would have mastered in only a few tries and even further perfected in only a few hours time, and used in a few occasions on his many new enemies in Dragon Ball Super, but would it have really worked on any of them? And how would Beerus and the other villains react?[/quote]

There are 6 timelines in the DB verse as per now. However, I guess one can easily put Yugioh or Pokemon as part of Universe 6's Earth though they might be a separate reality altogether. There are supposed to be an infinite number of realities which are different from universes. In Avengers for example, Dr. Strange looked into over 14 million different realities to find a strategy to defeat Thanos.

Similar to Hit's Time Lag / Cage or any ability that forcibly controls another person's body, it would be limited based on the power of the opponent. Jiren for example could overcome it. Also, with strong willpower, one can break free of any mind control. Trunks, Goku, and Pan were in their base state and relaxed and hence, succumbed to the Para Para Boogie dance. It wouldn't work on Beerus and Whis as previous villains have tried to control them before like Demigra and failed.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:38 am

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Steven Bloodriver wrote: Goku's power level initially was 90,000. Freeza's first form was 530,000. Goku hence would need a Kaioken x6 to be able to defeat First Form Freeza. Second Form Freeza's power level was beyond 1 million. At this point, Goku would need Kaioken x10 or higher. Piccolo with Nail absorbed and Goku together could easily defeat Second Form Freeza. After Freeza would transform into his third form, he would defeat Goku and Piccolo easily. At this point, if Goku received healing from Dende, then he would receive a zenkai, most likely the same one he received in the canon series from 90,000 to 3 million base. This would be enough to easily defeat Third Form Freeza. Freeza's 100% power level is 120 million. Thus, 1.5% of this is 1.8 million which is lower than Goku's base of 3 million. Freeza was lying when he said he's only using 1% of his true strength. Freeza 50% is at 60 million which is equal to Goku's Kaioken x20. This is evident from when Goku used Kaioken x20 Kamehameha but Freeza blocked it with his hand. Goku would still need Super Saiyan to defeat Freeza's Fourth Form.
What version of a fictional Earth do you think is in the Universe 6 of the Dragon Ball Super Anime and Manga Timelines? Do you think the Planet Earth of Universe 6 belongs to yet another legendary hit series from Japan like Yu-Gi-Oh! or Pokémon?

Would the Para Para Boogie introduced by the Para Para Brothers from Dragon Ball GT have worked on any of the villains from Dragon Ball Super? Like what if Goku had came across a purely good incarnation of the Para Para Brothers while on Planet Yardrat and gotten along with them so well as a matter of fact, they had taught Goku the Para Para Boogie, which the Saiyan hero would have mastered in only a few tries and even further perfected in only a few hours time, and used in a few occasions on his many new enemies in Dragon Ball Super, but would it have really worked on any of them? And how would Beerus and the other villains react?
There are 6 timelines in the DB verse as per now. However, I guess one can easily put Yugioh or Pokemon as part of Universe 6's Earth though they might be a separate reality altogether. There are supposed to be an infinite number of realities which are different from universes. In Avengers for example, Dr. Strange looked into over 14 million different realities to find a strategy to defeat Thanos.

Similar to Hit's Time Lag / Cage or any ability that forcibly controls another person's body, it would be limited based on the power of the opponent. Jiren for example could overcome it. Also, with strong willpower, one can break free of any mind control. Trunks, Goku, and Pan were in their base state and relaxed and hence, succumbed to the Para Para Boogie dance. It wouldn't work on Beerus and Whis as previous villains have tried to control them before like Demigra and failed.[/quote]

If given the opportunity, would you have chosen the Manga or the Anime of Dragon Ball Super?

If you were going to handle the tasks of literally becoming your favorite character of one of the two different variations of Dragon Ball Super, would it be the Manga or the Anime?

Or would you have preferred to experience both, by spending exactly 9 hours to do as you desire in the Manga of Dragon Ball Super, before needing to let your body rest and sleep, to then wake up as yourself in the Anime of Dragon Ball Super? Before needing to repeat the process again of heading straight to bed, as a result of you being forced to use so much of your own energy in moving from one body to the next, once your time-limit of 9 hours in this parallel world had expired?

Come to think of it, the second option would have been quite interesting to say the least, as who wouldn't want to have experienced the best moments of their life at least twice?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:41 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote: If given the opportunity, would you have chosen the Manga or the Anime of Dragon Ball Super?
Manga only because it is a bit more consistent. However, the anime is longer and more detailed with better action sequences. Hence, a combination of the two would be the best or a regular manga that is weekly rather than monthly.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: If you were going to handle the tasks of literally becoming your favorite character of one of the two different variations of Dragon Ball Super, would it be the Manga or the Anime?

Or would you have preferred to experience both, by spending exactly 9 hours to do as you desire in the Manga of Dragon Ball Super, before needing to let your body rest and sleep, to then wake up as yourself in the Anime of Dragon Ball Super? Before needing to repeat the process again of heading straight to bed, as a result of you being forced to use so much of your own energy in moving from one body to the next, once your time-limit of 9 hours in this parallel world had expired?

Come to think of it, the second option would have been quite interesting to say the least, as who wouldn't want to have experienced the best moments of their life at least twice?
I would like to experience both as each has something to offer. The world of DBS is the same in both, only slight differences in decisions the characters have made.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:24 am

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Steven Bloodriver wrote: If given the opportunity, would you have chosen the Manga or the Anime of Dragon Ball Super?
Manga only because it is a bit more consistent. However, the anime is longer and more detailed with better action sequences. Hence, a combination of the two would be the best or a regular manga that is weekly rather than monthly.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: If you were going to handle the tasks of literally becoming your favorite character of one of the two different variations of Dragon Ball Super, would it be the Manga or the Anime?

Or would you have preferred to experience both, by spending exactly 9 hours to do as you desire in the Manga of Dragon Ball Super, before needing to let your body rest and sleep, to then wake up as yourself in the Anime of Dragon Ball Super? Before needing to repeat the process again of heading straight to bed, as a result of you being forced to use so much of your own energy in moving from one body to the next, once your time-limit of 9 hours in this parallel world had expired?

Come to think of it, the second option would have been quite interesting to say the least, as who wouldn't want to have experienced the best moments of their life at least twice?
I would like to experience both as each has something to offer. The world of DBS is the same in both, only slight differences in decisions the characters have made.
What if Goku never ended up marrying Chi-Chi? Like if for an example, well before the beginning of Dragon Ball, while Son Goku was first found by Grandpa Gohan, Chi-Chi had already been born in the Dragon World 4 years and 2 months earlier canonically? With Goku’s spouse ending up being Android 21? (As 3 years before the arrival of Raditz, Goku, while on one of his many training trips to Kami’s Lookout, would have stumbled upon one of Dr. Gero's Secret Labs by accident. Before having went to the rescue of Android 21 upon hearing her desperate cries of help. And in this specific alternate storyline, Android 21 was turned into an Infinite Energy Model very much like Android 17 and Android 18 are in the canon storyline, but Son Goku would have been able to get to Android 21 in time before the second Supercomputer created by Dr. Gero to work on erasing all of her memories would have succeeded.)

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if Goku never ended up marrying Chi-Chi? Like if for an example, well before the beginning of Dragon Ball, while Son Goku was first found by Grandpa Gohan, Chi-Chi had already been born in the Dragon World 4 years and 2 months earlier canonically? With Goku’s spouse ending up being Android 21? (As 3 years before the arrival of Raditz, Goku, while on one of his many training trips to Kami’s Lookout, would have stumbled upon one of Dr. Gero's Secret Labs by accident. Before having went to the rescue of Android 21 upon hearing her desperate cries of help. And in this specific alternate storyline, Android 21 was turned into an Infinite Energy Model very much like Android 17 and Android 18 are in the canon storyline, but Son Goku would have been able to get to Android 21 in time before the second Supercomputer created by Dr. Gero to work on erasing all of her memories would have succeeded.)
If Goku never married Chi-Chi, then there's no Gohan or Goten. We know that the compatibility between humans and Saiyans is very good which is partially responsible for the high potential in hybrid Saiyans. Android 21's model was based on Dr. Gero's wife. She may not have all the memories of Dr. Gero's wife, but she would not like Goku because they blamed Goku for the destruction of the Red Ribbon Army as well as the death of their son who was a soldier in the army. Therefore, it is in her innate programming just like it is for most Androids 13-19, to hate Goku. Without Gohan or Goten, things would be very very different. They would lose to Raditz as Gohan would not have cracked Raditz' armor. Raditz would have taken Goku back to Nappa and Vegeta, where they would either force him to join or kill him. Alternatively, Goku would have died battling Raditz, then trained with King Kai to then eventually defeat Nappa, Vegeta, and Raditz. Without Gohan's interference, Dende would have died on Namek, which would cause many things to change. Freeza may have even collected all 7 Dragon Balls early but since he could not speak Namekian, he would not a wish. Without Dende, Porunga would not have been summoned and the wish to send everyone from Namek to Earth except Goku and Freeza would not have been made. Therefore, Namek would have exploded with Goku and everyone dying except Freeza.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:05 am

Even though he would definitely be the weakest fighter on Team 7, What if Jaco competed in the Tournament of Power? Would he have been of good use of the team and eliminated a couple of fighters, or would he just be too weak to the point that he'd be the first person to get eliminated?
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if Goku never ended up marrying Chi-Chi? Like if for an example, well before the beginning of Dragon Ball, while Son Goku was first found by Grandpa Gohan, Chi-Chi had already been born in the Dragon World 4 years and 2 months earlier canonically? With Goku’s spouse ending up being Android 21? (As 3 years before the arrival of Raditz, Goku, while on one of his many training trips to Kami’s Lookout, would have stumbled upon one of Dr. Gero's Secret Labs by accident. Before having went to the rescue of Android 21 upon hearing her desperate cries of help. And in this specific alternate storyline, Android 21 was turned into an Infinite Energy Model very much like Android 17 and Android 18 are in the canon storyline, but Son Goku would have been able to get to Android 21 in time before the second Supercomputer created by Dr. Gero to work on erasing all of her memories would have succeeded.)
If Goku never married Chi-Chi, then there's no Gohan or Goten. We know that the compatibility between humans and Saiyans is very good which is partially responsible for the high potential in hybrid Saiyans. Android 21's model was based on Dr. Gero's wife. She may not have all the memories of Dr. Gero's wife, but she would not like Goku because they blamed Goku for the destruction of the Red Ribbon Army as well as the death of their son who was a soldier in the army. Therefore, it is in her innate programming just like it is for most Androids 13-19, to hate Goku. Without Gohan or Goten, things would be very very different. They would lose to Raditz as Gohan would not have cracked Raditz' armor. Raditz would have taken Goku back to Nappa and Vegeta, where they would either force him to join or kill him. Alternatively, Goku would have died battling Raditz, then trained with King Kai to then eventually defeat Nappa, Vegeta, and Raditz. Without Gohan's interference, Dende would have died on Namek, which would cause many things to change. Freeza may have even collected all 7 Dragon Balls early but since he could not speak Namekian, he would not a wish. Without Dende, Porunga would not have been summoned and the wish to send everyone from Namek to Earth except Goku and Freeza would not have been made. Therefore, Namek would have exploded with Goku and everyone dying except Freeza.
As a Super Saiyan 4, why does the user become an adult physically, what other benefits does the form have other than to allow training and fighting to be much easier? Like when Little Goku (GT) is at his Super Saiyan 4 form, does he really age to become an adult? Also, regarding the Super Saiyan 4 transformation, would it be attractive to any of the women of the Human or Saiyan races if it was known by a few of the Saiyans?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Steven Bloodriver wrote: As a Super Saiyan 4, why does the user become an adult physically, what other benefits does the form have other than to allow training and fighting to be much easier? Like when Little Goku (GT) is at his Super Saiyan 4 form, does he really age to become an adult? Also, regarding the Super Saiyan 4 transformation, would it be attractive to any of the women of the Human or Saiyan races if it was known by a few of the Saiyans?
The SSJ4 is a condensed Golden Oozaru. His adult body is not a result of him aging but him condensing the body that the Oozaru granted him. His kid body could not utilize his ki output properly which prevented him from using the Shunkan Ido and SSJ3. Therefore, Kid Goku actually gets a boost not just from SSJ4 but also from the adult body. Whereas, an Adult Goku in SSJ4 only gets a boost from SSJ4. In GT, Bulma and Chi Chi were fighting over which one is more handsome in SSJ4 - Goku or Vegeta.
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:45 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: As a Super Saiyan 4, why does the user become an adult physically, what other benefits does the form have other than to allow training and fighting to be much easier? Like when Little Goku (GT) is at his Super Saiyan 4 form, does he really age to become an adult? Also, regarding the Super Saiyan 4 transformation, would it be attractive to any of the women of the Human or Saiyan races if it was known by a few of the Saiyans?
The SSJ4 is a condensed Golden Oozaru. His adult body is not a result of him aging but him condensing the body that the Oozaru granted him. His kid body could not utilize his ki output properly which prevented him from using the Shunkan Ido and SSJ3. Therefore, Kid Goku actually gets a boost not just from SSJ4 but also from the adult body. Whereas, an Adult Goku in SSJ4 only gets a boost from SSJ4. In GT, Bulma and Chi Chi were fighting over which one is more handsome in SSJ4 - Goku or Vegeta.
What if Goku had dominated his normal Kamehameha and his Super Kamehameha techniques to the point he could use the 10x Kamehameha in just his base form? With this event taking place in the 5 years following the finale of Dragon Ball. How would it have had changed the Dragon World as we know it, if Goku made it his signature move just before the start of Dragon Ball Z and it would have taken him only a moment’s time to be able to charge and fire the Kamehameha To The Tenth Power? But had the dire drawback of draining him of his energy reserves if he were to use it eight times in a row in such a short period of time and without any rest beforehand?

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Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if Goku had dominated his normal Kamehameha and his Super Kamehameha techniques to the point he could use the 10x Kamehameha in just his base form? With this event taking place in the 5 years following the finale of Dragon Ball. How would it have had changed the Dragon World as we know it, if Goku made it his signature move just before the start of Dragon Ball Z and it would have taken him only a moment’s time to be able to charge and fire the Kamehameha To The Tenth Power? But had the dire drawback of draining him of his energy reserves if he were to use it eight times in a row in such a short period of time and without any rest beforehand?
The 10x Kamehameha requires Goku to be in SSJ4 because it is 10x the power. Remember that SSJ4 is a condensed Golden Oozaru and that an Oozaru is a 10x boost. Similarly, SSJ4 Gogeta uses the 100x Big Bang Kamehameha because it is 100x the power. It is written in the GT Perfect Files that SSJ4 Gogeta is tens of times stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, so it makes sense if he is 10x stronger, his kamehameha would be 10x10=100 times stronger.

The Kamehameha has its drawbacks because it takes too long to charge. Recently, Goku utilized the Kamehameha surf using Ultra Instinct which allows him to dodge the opponent's attacks while charging. Alternatively, there is the Teleport Kamehameha where he can also use the Shunkan Ido to do a point-blank kamehameha. If you can't hit the enemy, then kamehameha is useless and will just drain all the ki. Master Roshi as Jackie Chun used the Super Kamehameha in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai to blow up the moon, losing more than half his power. He may have almost lost to Goku if it wasn't for him having longer legs.
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shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if Goku had dominated his normal Kamehameha and his Super Kamehameha techniques to the point he could use the 10x Kamehameha in just his base form? With this event taking place in the 5 years following the finale of Dragon Ball. How would it have had changed the Dragon World as we know it, if Goku made it his signature move just before the start of Dragon Ball Z and it would have taken him only a moment’s time to be able to charge and fire the Kamehameha To The Tenth Power? But had the dire drawback of draining him of his energy reserves if he were to use it eight times in a row in such a short period of time and without any rest beforehand?
The 10x Kamehameha requires Goku to be in SSJ4 because it is 10x the power. Remember that SSJ4 is a condensed Golden Oozaru and that an Oozaru is a 10x boost. Similarly, SSJ4 Gogeta uses the 100x Big Bang Kamehameha because it is 100x the power. It is written in the GT Perfect Files that SSJ4 Gogeta is tens of times stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, so it makes sense if he is 10x stronger, his kamehameha would be 10x10=100 times stronger.

The Kamehameha has its drawbacks because it takes too long to charge. Recently, Goku utilized the Kamehameha surf using Ultra Instinct which allows him to dodge the opponent's attacks while charging. Alternatively, there is the Teleport Kamehameha where he can also use the Shunkan Ido to do a point-blank kamehameha. If you can't hit the enemy, then kamehameha is useless and will just drain all the ki. Master Roshi as Jackie Chun used the Super Kamehameha in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai to blow up the moon, losing more than half his power. He may have almost lost to Goku if it wasn't for him having longer legs.
If you could... Play Dragon Ball Heroes like how Beat and the other members of the Dragon Ball Heroes Team could in the Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission Manga, what avatar and team would you create from all of the cards available to face off against a rival team composed of True Golden Frieza, Golden Cooler, Fifth Form King Cold, Fifth Form Chilled, Mecha Frieza, Meta Cooler, and Ruthless Final Form Frost (100% Maximum)? All while fighting them on the Dying Namek stage?

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Steven Bloodriver wrote: If you could... Play Dragon Ball Heroes like how Beat and the other members of the Dragon Ball Heroes Team could in the Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission Manga, what avatar and team would you create from all of the cards available to face off against a rival team composed of True Golden Frieza, Golden Cooler, Fifth Form King Cold, Fifth Form Chilled, Mecha Frieza, Meta Cooler, and Ruthless Final Form Frost (100% Maximum)? All while fighting them on the Dying Namek stage?
Since they are all of Freeza's race, it makes sense their opponents would be Saiyans. Hence, I would pick SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, SSJ3 Trunks, Ultimate Goten, Ultimate Gohan, and BSSJ Broly.
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Post by Pantalones » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:27 am

What version of a fictional Earth do you think is in the Universe 6 of the Dragon Ball Super Anime and Manga Timelines? Do you think the Planet Earth of Universe 6 belongs to yet another legendary hit series from Japan like Yu-Gi-Oh! or Pokémon?
The 6th Universe Earth apparently was ruined and depopulated thanks to a massive war, before it was wished back to its former un-destroyed state anyway. So if you were going to try to fit some other series onto that Earth, it'd have to be one with a post-apocalyptic sort of setting where there aren't many humans left and the planet itself is wrecked.

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:54 am

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: If you could... Play Dragon Ball Heroes like how Beat and the other members of the Dragon Ball Heroes Team could in the Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission Manga, what avatar and team would you create from all of the cards available to face off against a rival team composed of True Golden Frieza, Golden Cooler, Fifth Form King Cold, Fifth Form Chilled, Mecha Frieza, Meta Cooler, and Ruthless Final Form Frost (100% Maximum)? All while fighting them on the Dying Namek stage?
Since they are all of Freeza's race, it makes sense their opponents would be Saiyans. Hence, I would pick SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, SSJ3 Trunks, Ultimate Goten, Ultimate Gohan, and BSSJ Broly.
What if following Semi-Perfect Cell becoming Perfect Cell and him molly-whopping the hell out of Ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta, Goku and Teen Gohan had stayed the full-year while inside the Room of Spirit and Time? And Piccolo deciding on doing the exact same thing before the start of the Cell Games?

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Steven Bloodriver wrote:
shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: If you could... Play Dragon Ball Heroes like how Beat and the other members of the Dragon Ball Heroes Team could in the Dragon Ball Heroes: Victory Mission Manga, what avatar and team would you create from all of the cards available to face off against a rival team composed of True Golden Frieza, Golden Cooler, Fifth Form King Cold, Fifth Form Chilled, Mecha Frieza, Meta Cooler, and Ruthless Final Form Frost (100% Maximum)? All while fighting them on the Dying Namek stage?
Since they are all of Freeza's race, it makes sense their opponents would be Saiyans. Hence, I would pick SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, SSJ3 Trunks, Ultimate Goten, Ultimate Gohan, and BSSJ Broly.
What if following Semi-Perfect Cell becoming Perfect Cell and him molly-whopping the hell out of Ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta, Goku and Teen Gohan had stayed the full-year while inside the Room of Spirit and Time? And Piccolo deciding on doing the exact same thing before the start of the Cell Games?
Whis has often said that Vegeta's primary weakness is that he doesn't rest or take breaks between training. The body has to relax in order for it get time to grow. Overstressing it isn't good training. Thus, Goku and Gohan didn't need to stay the full year in the RoSaT because they realized that all one needs to do for the remaining of the days of the Cell Games is to maintain the Super Saiyan state and master stamina. More training in the RoSaT wouldn't have made them that much stronger. Though, they could've alternatively rested inside the RoSaT as well. Vegeta and Trunks, who went back in the RoSaT didn't get much stronger and were still inferior in power to Goku and Gohan who were there less than a year. Hence, if they did stay for a full-year, they may have not been able to rest properly. Or, since only a few months were remaining, I don't think it would've made much of a difference. Piccolo, on the other hand, knows how to meditate and that is a form of resting. Hence, Piccolo, I think would get stronger but since he's not a Saiyan, he wouldn't get that much stronger.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:10 am

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Pantalones » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:19 pm

Even though he would definitely be the weakest fighter on Team 7, What if Jaco competed in the Tournament of Power? Would he have been of good use of the team and eliminated a couple of fighters, or would he just be too weak to the point that he'd be the first person to get eliminated?
I don't think he would've been able to eliminate anyone... but what with his vision being ridiculously good, he could have potentially spotted Damon and made the others aware of him before the tiny bug-alien was able to knock anyone off by surprise.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:38 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
shadowfox87 wrote:
Since they are all of Freeza's race, it makes sense their opponents would be Saiyans. Hence, I would pick SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, SSJ3 Trunks, Ultimate Goten, Ultimate Gohan, and BSSJ Broly.
What if following Semi-Perfect Cell becoming Perfect Cell and him molly-whopping the hell out of Ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta, Goku and Teen Gohan had stayed the full-year while inside the Room of Spirit and Time? And Piccolo deciding on doing the exact same thing before the start of the Cell Games?
Whis has often said that Vegeta's primary weakness is that he doesn't rest or take breaks between training. The body has to relax in order for it get time to grow. Overstressing it isn't good training. Thus, Goku and Gohan didn't need to stay the full year in the RoSaT because they realized that all one needs to do for the remaining of the days of the Cell Games is to maintain the Super Saiyan state and master stamina. More training in the RoSaT wouldn't have made them that much stronger. Though, they could've alternatively rested inside the RoSaT as well. Vegeta and Trunks, who went back in the RoSaT didn't get much stronger and were still inferior in power to Goku and Gohan who were there less than a year. Hence, if they did stay for a full-year, they may have not been able to rest properly. Or, since only a few months were remaining, I don't think it would've made much of a difference. Piccolo, on the other hand, knows how to meditate and that is a form of resting. Hence, Piccolo, I think would get stronger but since he's not a Saiyan, he wouldn't get that much stronger.
What if in the King Piccolo Saga of the original Dragon Ball series, Kami was given Eternal Youth at the same time Piccolo Daimaō had received it from the latter wishing it to Shenron?

What if in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Goku’s desperate use of his Solar Flare had permanently damaged Great Ape Vegeta’s eyes, to the point where the Saiyan in Great Form could barely give a general description of who or what he was actually looking at, even if either where right in front of him?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:40 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if in the King Piccolo Saga of the original Dragon Ball series, Kami was given Eternal Youth at the same time Piccolo Daimaō had received it from the latter wishing it to Shenron?

What if in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Goku’s desperate use of his Solar Flare had permanently damaged Great Ape Vegeta’s eyes, to the point where the Saiyan in Great Form could barely give a general description of who or what he was actually looking at, even if either where right in front of him?
King Piccolo had a power level of 260 after his youth was restored while Kami had a power level of 220. If Kami's youth was restored, his power level would be slightly higher than King Piccolo's. Still, Kami would not have fought King Piccolo since he did not wish to die. He may have used Mafuba though more successfully.

Vegeta, despite his eyes, could learn to sense ki, from fighting with Goku. Previously, he depended on the use of scouters, but after his fight with Goku, he learned to sense ki better. Without his eyesight, this would make him even more aware of his surroundings and enhance his other senses.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:59 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: What if in the King Piccolo Saga of the original Dragon Ball series, Kami was given Eternal Youth at the same time Piccolo Daimaō had received it from the latter wishing it to Shenron?

What if in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Goku’s desperate use of his Solar Flare had permanently damaged Great Ape Vegeta’s eyes, to the point where the Saiyan in Great Ape form could barely give a general description of who or what he was actually looking at, even if either where right in front of him?
King Piccolo had a power level of 260 after his youth was restored while Kami had a power level of 220. If Kami's youth was restored, his power level would be slightly higher than King Piccolo's. Still, Kami would not have fought King Piccolo since he did not wish to die. He may have used Mafuba though more successfully.

Vegeta, despite his eyes, could learn to sense ki, from fighting with Goku. Previously, he depended on the use of scouters, but after his fight with Goku, he learned to sense ki better. Without his eyesight, this would make him even more aware of his surroundings and enhance his other senses.
What if in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Son Gohan had achieved the Ultra Instinct "Omen" state of being for just about 4 minutes and 20 seconds when he had made physical contact with the Fusion Spirit Bomb thrown by Krillin?

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