The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:45 pm

I got two What ifs

1) What if Future Trunks actually killed Merged Zamasu with the Genki Dama Sword?

2) What if Potara Fusion was still permanent and the only way to defuse is to use the Dragon Balls? (and bad air from Buu's stomach)
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Post by Berserker1921 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:22 pm

1. Helps rebuild his world, probably settles down with Mai. Have a couple kids. Maybe other beings from other universes come to earth and wonder what happened? From the pride troopers to etc. Maybe new namek is still there and uses the dragon balls to bring back all those that died recently.

2. The wives of goku and vegeta would probably force Vegito to split, after kaioshin mentions they can defuse through the dragon balls. However Vegito would ask for a little bit more time and challenge Beerus again. Idk how it would go, but I feel Vegito would win barely, probably using kaioken 10-20 to finally beat the god.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:23 am

What if #16 blew himself against Imperfect Cell? Would #16 have a bigger chance on killing Cell in his first form?
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Pantalones » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:13 pm

What if #16 blew himself up against Imperfect Cell?
Cell would be dead.

Even Perfect Cell seemed worried by the thought of getting caught in #16's explosion at close range, and if we assume it's the same strength as the bomb Cell himself had (there was never any indication that the Androids' bombs were different strengths, was there?), it had to have at least enough power to blow up "Semi-Perfect" Cell so thoroughly that only a single cell survived. Imperfect Cell would be vaporized.

The real question is, would #16 be able to avoid destroying the planet in the process? The blast from Cell's bomb would've expanded until it destroyed Earth, but he wanted to destroy the planet, so maybe it's possible to adjust the size of the blast so it only wrecks the surrounding environment rather than the whole world (or #16 could fly Cell into space before setting it off.) If not, I guess Goku would have to escape (possibly with however many other people nearby that he could grab at the last minute) via Instant Transmission, probably to North Kaio's world, and then take a trip to New Namek to wish Earth and everyone on it back, like what happened in the Buu saga.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:18 pm

What if Caulifla was in the Universe 6 tournament instead of Cabba?
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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:53 pm

Man, it's been an entire day, and nobody answered my question.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:08 pm

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:What if Caulifla was in the Universe 6 tournament instead of Cabba?
1) Since this would have been a much more friendly competition than the Tournament of Power, Caulifla in taking the place of Cabba, and not having her meek, but powerful protégé, Kale, with her this time around at least would result in Goku taking his matches with Botamo and Frost more seriously, if not ever so slightly. As he would have had been more interested in his match with Caulifla than with Winnie the Pooh, another shameless rip-off, but this time of Frieza, and a lava-drinking counterpart of the Iron Giant, especially after being able to tell right away Caulifla could catch up to him in almost no time at all by obtaining the Super Saiyan transformations he had in only a matter of days.

But unless Goku and Caulifla become friends during the Tournament of Destroyers, Universe 7 would be victorious over Goku becoming friends with Hit as well.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:12 pm

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Man, it's been an entire day, and nobody answered my question.
2) Are you sure about that now?

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:19 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:What if #16 blew himself against Imperfect Cell? Would #16 have a bigger chance on killing Cell in his first form?
1) Do you mean during their first encounter on the Island close to Kame House?

2) Even so, Imperfect Cell would not have survived such a powerful explosion.

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The Island next to Kame's House.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:57 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:The Island next to Kame's House.
Both Android 16 and Imperfect Cell would be dead, but then so would Android 17 and Android 18 following Vegeta and Future Trunks arriving before the Cyborgs.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:50 pm

What if Goku discovered Great Ape, Super Saiyan, Golden Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 during his training with King Kai in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z?

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:38 am

What if Vegeta had his potential unlocked by Rou Kaioshin before the Tournament of Power?
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Post by Berserker1921 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:38 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if Goku discovered Great Ape, Super Saiyan, Golden Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 during his training with King Kai in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z?
He would become ssj4 and easily defeat Frieza. However Gero would learn about ssj4 goku and in turn makes his androids much stronger. Making cell much more dangerous. By the time of Buu, if goku is a live. Demolishes buu and save the world. Beerus wakes up and challenges goku ssj4, goku still loses. Goku unlocks ssj God and the show goes from there.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:39 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:What if Vegeta had his potential unlocked by Rou Kaioshin before the Tournament of Power?
Idk, it can be from anywhere between current ssjblue kaiokenx10 goku to weaker God of destruction level. Idk.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:21 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if Goku discovered Great Ape, Super Saiyan, Golden Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 during his training with King Kai in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z?
He would become ssj4 and easily defeat Frieza. However Gero would learn about ssj4 goku and in turn makes his androids much stronger. Making cell much more dangerous. By the time of Buu, if goku is a live. Demolishes buu and save the world. Beerus wakes up and challenges goku ssj4, goku still loses. Goku unlocks ssj God and the show goes from there.
1) What if Grand Elder Guru could bring out someone's hidden power more than once and had done so to Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo (when the two where in the Otherworld), Nail, and Dende?

2) What if in Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks, and hours before Android 17 and Android 18 first fought the Z Fighters, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien Shinhan, and Chiaotzu had their Potentials Unlocked by Grand Elder Guru? (With this miraculous event being made possible from Kami having a bad enough feeling to transport the Z Warriors to the Grand Elder Namekian's current location in the Otherworld.)

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Berserker1921 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if Goku discovered Great Ape, Super Saiyan, Golden Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 during his training with King Kai in the Saiyan Saga of Dragon Ball Z?
He would become ssj4 and easily defeat Frieza. However Gero would learn about ssj4 goku and in turn makes his androids much stronger. Making cell much more dangerous. By the time of Buu, if goku is a live. Demolishes buu and save the world. Beerus wakes up and challenges goku ssj4, goku still loses. Goku unlocks ssj God and the show goes from there.
1) What if Grand Elder Guru could bring out someone's hidden power more than once and had done so to Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo (when the two where in the Otherworld), Nail, and Dende?

2) What if in Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks, and hours before Android 17 and Android 18 first fought the Z Fighters, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien Shinhan, and Chiaotzu had their Potentials Unlocked by Grand Elder Guru? (With this miraculous event being made possible from Kami having a bad enough feeling to transport the Z Warriors to the Grand Elder Namekian's current location in the Otherworld.)
1. You mean on namek? I suppose Gohan would become as strong as ginyu or at least half of first form Frieza. Krillin becomes as strong as racoome. Piccolo pre nail; 300-500 thousand. After merging with nail, 3-4 million. Dende powe wouldn't rise much.

2. I feel all the fighters would become stronger then the main timeline counterparts. Vegeta would be slightly stronger then android 17/18 in the future time line. Maybe near 16 level

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Post by Pantalones » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:32 am

2) What if in Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks, and hours before Android 17 and Android 18 first fought the Z Fighters, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien Shinhan, and Chiaotzu had their Potentials Unlocked by Grand Elder Guru? (With this miraculous event being made possible from Kami having a bad enough feeling to transport the Z Warriors to the Grand Elder Namekian's current location in the Otherworld.)
Three possibilities I see being most likely...

1: Vegeta vs. #18 happens, and would be a much closer fight than the version we saw in the main timeline, with #18 probably ending up injured a little in the process (but not nearly as bad as Vegeta, of course.) And "strong enough to actually hurt future #18" is just how strong Vegeta would be at first. Guru's potential unlock continues to increase your power more and more over time (as we saw from Krillin going to 10,000 right away, 20,000ish later, and finally 75,000 vs. Freeza just in the time they were on Namek)... so if the Androids for whatever reason didn't kill Vegeta during their initial encounter, he would surpass them both in a matter of days (if not hours) once he recovered from his injuries. And this is Vegeta, so you'd better believe he'd track them down for a rematch as soon as he was able. He probably wouldn't end up nearly as strong as the Vegeta who pummeled Semi-Perfect Cell (partly due to not having pushed beyond ordinary Super Saiyan at all), but he'd still be able to take on both future Androids at once and win with very little effort -- maybe he'd be somewhere around full-power Imperfect Cell or #16's level.

2: Vegeta vs. #18 happens, and at the end #18 snaps his neck rather than his arm. The two Androids then go after everyone else who's still standing. If Gohan gets a rage boost and goes Super Saiyan during the following battle with the Androids (possibly due to Piccolo dying, or being near-fatally injured?), he'd probably destroy them right then and there and that timeline would never have the whole post-apocalyptic future Trunks thing happen at all! Cell would come along at some point and, with no Androids to absorb and an even stronger Gohan (and Trunks! and maybe even Vegeta and Piccolo if the Androids didn't kill them or they got wished back) there to stop him, he'd probably end up getting killed without much trouble. Assuming Gohan(/Trunks/Vegeta/Piccolo) keeps training just in case and reach Cell Games-esque levels or higher, there might be a Buu Saga equivalent in this timeline. Their best chance of surviving that would be if Goku comes back for a visit and teaches Gohan and Trunks fusion (resulting in "Gohanks" who could probably go at least SSj2, and possibly learn SSj3 the way Gotenks did with a little bit of extra training) or if they manage to beat Dabura and prevent Babidi from ever unleashing Buu in the first place.

3: If Gohan doesn't go Super Saiyan during the first encounter, but still survives like in the regular future timeline, he ends up beating the Androids somewhere down the line as the combination of the gradually-increasing unlocked potential and his own training and near-death boosts push him further and further beyond the level the ordinary Future Gohan reached. There's still a destroyed future timeline, but it's not quite as bad since the Androids got stopped relatively early on, and Gohan survived in addition to Trunks this time around. Future Trunks would probably end up stronger than the version we knew as a result, since he'd have a stronger Gohan to train with and he'd do so for his entire life rather than Gohan dying when he was a kid (though they'd both probably stop training quite as hard after the Androids were gone)... so when he went back in time to hand over the medicine and warn everyone, he'd be by far the strongest of the Saiyans rather than trailing behind them. The difference in power between the present and future Androids might still be a big enough gap that the two of them could beat him (at least fighting together, even if they're not quite strong enough to pull it off so easily one-on-one), though, so he might be the one to get a big fight scene rather than Vegeta -- and he'd certainly lose against #16 if he happened to step in. So overall, the Android Saga happens pretty much exactly as in the main timeline, but with Trunks as the strongest fighter (at least until Kamiccolo happens) rather than Vegeta.

Possibility #2 seems the most interesting to me -- basically ends up being like a version of the main series if Toriyama had actually gone through with Gohan taking the main-character title from Goku. #1 is what Vegeta imagines during "image training" sessions and #3 is pretty much just the regular future timeline, but with less destroyed cities and more Gohan.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by TruDovah » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:19 pm

Here's a good "What-If"!

What if, instead of destroying the incubating Cell....cells...Bulma convinced them to her reprogram it to be good, or at least as good as it could be. She programs the computer to reconfigure the cellular structure in order to down-play the Frieza/King Cold DNA and to emphasize the DNA from the good guys, adding even more Saiyan DNA from Trunk and Gohan (I have not read anything that specifically states that they are already in him).
Also, let's assume she is able to speed up the growth process by including more Piccolo cells as well... Let's say he hatches sometime in the 7 year gap between Cell and Buu....
This could get really interesting...Might have to get MasakoX to cover this whatif!!

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:36 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
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He would become ssj4 and easily defeat Frieza. However Gero would learn about ssj4 goku and in turn makes his androids much stronger. Making cell much more dangerous. By the time of Buu, if goku is a live. Demolishes buu and save the world. Beerus wakes up and challenges goku ssj4, goku still loses. Goku unlocks ssj God and the show goes from there.
1) What if Grand Elder Guru could bring out someone's hidden power more than once and had done so to Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo (when the two where in the Otherworld), Nail, and Dende?

2) What if in Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks, and hours before Android 17 and Android 18 first fought the Z Fighters, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien Shinhan, and Chiaotzu had their Potentials Unlocked by Grand Elder Guru? (With this miraculous event being made possible from Kami having a bad enough feeling to transport the Z Warriors to the Grand Elder Namekian's current location in the Otherworld.)
1. You mean on namek? I suppose Gohan would become as strong as ginyu or at least half of first form Frieza. Krillin becomes as strong as racoome. Piccolo pre nail; 300-500 thousand. After merging with nail, 3-4 million. Dende powe wouldn't rise much.

2. I feel all the fighters would become stronger then the main timeline counterparts. Vegeta would be slightly stronger then android 17/18 in the future time line. Maybe near 16 level
1) Yes, on Planet Namek. During the Namek and Frieza Sagas.

2) What if Super Saiyan and the forms related to it didn't give any stress on the body? But would in the form of shortening the lifespan by ten years for each moment while transformed if used by someone with an evil heart like Raditz, Nappa, or Vegeta from the Saiyan Saga?

3) What if the soul of the incubating Future Cell had been linked to Future Piccolo and Future Kami? And had been what kept the two Namekians alive following the first encounter with Future 17 and Future 18?

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