The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[shadowfox87]

[spoiler]What if before the Tournament of Power began in this scenario, Gohan, Mr. Piccolo, Pan, and Bra had been taken for 9 years and 2 months in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to be better conditioned for the Universe 7 Team by both Mr. Son Goku and Whis? With the Angelic Attendant having been the one to have done some major upgrades to the Room of Spirit and Time before going in to train Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Pan, and Bra? As in an unexpected turn of events, both Krillin and Tien Shinhan wouldn’t have wanted to participate in the Tournament of Power this time out of being far too busy.[/spoiler]

By 9 years in the RoSaT, I assume that's 9 days in real time. Pan and Bra are just kids. Pan is like 1 year old and Bra is a couple of weeks old. Nine years and 2 months is a lot of time. If Whis and Goku are able to train Pan and Bra, then certainly, they would have more potential than Krillin and Tenshinhan in 9 years of non-stop training. At the same time, Goten and Trunks were excluded from the ToP because they were too young. Rather, Roshi, Krillin and Tenshinhan were recruited due to their experience. The same case may happen here where Pan and Bra might be excluded. If Krillin and Tenshinhan opted out, then Goten and Trunks would be more appropriate candidates than Pan and Bra.

[Steven Bloodriver]

[spoiler]What if before the Tournament of Power began in this scenario, Gohan, Mr. Piccolo, Pan, and Bra had been taken for 9 years and 2 months in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to be better conditioned for the Universe 7 Team by both Mr. Son Goku and Whis? With the Angelic Attendant having been the one to have done some major upgrades to the Room of Spirit and Time before going in to train Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Pan, and Bra? As in an unexpected turn of events, both Krillin and Tien Shinhan wouldn’t have wanted to participate in the Tournament of Power this time out of being far too busy.[/spoiler]

By 9 years in the RoSaT, I assume that's 9 days in real time. Pan and Bra are just kids. Pan is like 1 year old and Bra is a couple of weeks old. Nine years and 2 months is a lot of time. If Whis and Goku are able to train Pan and Bra, then certainly, they would have more potential than Krillin and Tenshinhan in 9 years of non-stop training. At the same time, Goten and Trunks were excluded from the ToP because they were too young. Rather, Roshi, Krillin and Tenshinhan were recruited due to their experience. The same case may happen here where Pan and Bra might be excluded. If Krillin and Tenshinhan opted out, then Goten and Trunks would be more appropriate candidates than Pan and Bra.

[spoiler]Black Star Dragon Ball Saga) What if in the time it had taken to prepare the Grand Tour Spaceship, Little Goku (GT) had GT Trunks and GT Pan accompany him to go train together in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for an equivalent of four years in the Room of Spirit and Time? After Dende (GT) had taken a page off of his alternate counterpart from some strange realm and decided to heavily upgrade the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?[/spoiler]

[shadowfox87]

[spoiler]Black Star Dragon Ball Saga) What if in the time it had taken to prepare the Grand Tour Spaceship, Little Goku (GT) had GT Trunks and GT Pan accompany him to go train together in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for an equivalent of four years in the Room of Spirit and Time? After Dende (GT) had taken a page off of his alternate counterpart from some strange realm and decided to heavily upgrade the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?[/spoiler]

Nothing really changes. Goku, Pan, and Trunks all get stronger so they are able to easily defeat their enemies in space like Rilldo. Baby however still abducts Trunks body and gets stronger. Baby Vegeta is still the same strength but since Goku trained for four years, he is more easily able to defeat Baby Vegeta which means he may not even need SSJ4.

[Steven Bloodriver]

[spoiler]Black Star Dragon Ball Saga) What if in the time it had taken to prepare the Grand Tour Spaceship, Little Goku (GT) had GT Trunks and GT Pan accompany him to go train together in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for an equivalent of four years in the Room of Spirit and Time? After Dende (GT) had taken a page off of his alternate counterpart from some strange realm and decided to heavily upgrade the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?[/spoiler]

Nothing really changes. Goku, Pan, and Trunks all get stronger so they are able to easily defeat their enemies in space like Rilldo. Baby however still abducts Trunks body and gets stronger. Baby Vegeta is still the same strength but since Goku trained for four years, he is more easily able to defeat Baby Vegeta which means he may not even need SSJ4.

[spoiler]Baby Saga) What if Mr. Piccolo from Dragon Ball GT’s Special Beam Cannon hadn’t missed it’s mark on Super Saiyan Baby Gohan and had blown straight through his former Pupil’s Adam’s Apple? Would this have made a notable difference in the encounter with Mr. Piccolo and Super Saiyan Baby Gohan?[/spoiler]

[shadowfox87]

[spoiler]Baby Saga) What if Mr. Piccolo from Dragon Ball GT’s Special Beam Cannon hadn’t missed it’s mark on Super Saiyan Baby Gohan and had blown straight through his former Pupil’s Adam’s Apple? Would this have made a notable difference in the encounter with Mr. Piccolo and Super Saiyan Baby Gohan?[/spoiler]

Gohan would die but Baby would survive and just inhabit another body, even Piccolo's.

[Steven Bloodriver]

[spoiler]Baby Saga) What if Mr. Piccolo from Dragon Ball GT’s Special Beam Cannon hadn’t missed it’s mark on Super Saiyan Baby Gohan and had blown straight through his former Pupil’s Adam’s Apple? Would this have made a notable difference in the encounter with Mr. Piccolo and Super Saiyan Baby Gohan?[/spoiler]

Gohan would die but Baby would survive and just inhabit another body, even Piccolo's.

[spoiler]Super 17 Saga) What if immediately upon being born and before having fought anyone of the GT Warriors present before him, Super 17 (Base Form) had used his Hell Lightning Cutter on Trunks (GT) and cut up the son of Vegeta (GT) just like a certain Super Saiyan had done to Mecha Frieza right before Vegeta (GT)’s eyes? With Super 17 (Base Form) then going at his absolute fullest-power after Goten (GT) to kill the second son of Goku by simply kicking Goten (GT) in half in reference to what the first Super Saiyan Two had done to a Cell Junior?[/spoiler]

[shadowfox87]

[spoiler]Super 17 Saga) What if immediately upon being born and before having fought anyone of the GT Warriors present before him, Super 17 (Base Form) had used his Hell Lightning Cutter on Trunks (GT) and cut up the son of Vegeta (GT) just like a certain Super Saiyan had done to Mecha Frieza right before Vegeta (GT)’s eyes? With Super 17 (Base Form) then going at his absolute fullest-power after Goten (GT) to kill the second son of Goku by simply kicking Goten (GT) in half in reference to what the first Super Saiyan Two had done to a Cell Junior?[/spoiler]

Upon seeing their sons sliced, Goku and Vegeta would both power up to maximum and do their strongest attacks - Kamehameha and Final Flash combined. Due to Goku and Vegeta not thinking and knowing anything about the absorption technique beforehand, they would have simply made Super 17 even stronger. At this point, SSJ4 Goku may have to resort again to the Dragon Fist but it may not be enough. Goku and Vegeta may have to fuse into Gogeta and perform a Dragon Fist plus a Big Bang Kamehameha.

[Steven Bloodriver]

[spoiler]Super 17 Saga) What if immediately upon being born and before having fought anyone of the GT Warriors present before him, Super 17 (Base Form) had used his Hell Lightning Cutter on Trunks (GT) and cut up the son of Vegeta (GT) just like a certain Super Saiyan had done to Mecha Frieza right before Vegeta (GT)’s eyes? With Super 17 (Base Form) then going at his absolute fullest-power after Goten (GT) to kill the second son of Goku by simply kicking Goten (GT) in half in reference to what the first Super Saiyan Two had done to a Cell Junior?[/spoiler]

Upon seeing their sons sliced, Goku and Vegeta would both power up to maximum and do their strongest attacks - Kamehameha and Final Flash combined. Due to Goku and Vegeta not thinking and knowing anything about the absorption technique beforehand, they would have simply made Super 17 even stronger. At this point, SSJ4 Goku may have to resort again to the Dragon Fist but it may not be enough. Goku and Vegeta may have to fuse into Gogeta and perform a Dragon Fist plus a Big Bang Kamehameha.

[spoiler]Shadow Dragons Saga) What if in this scenario, Black Smoke Shenron had came to the decision to have Goku (GT) return to his physical prime, and have Pan (GT)’s irises change to become the same shade of blue as her mother’s, then turn the rest of the Earth’s citizens into a bunch of four-year-old children, all before going to give birth to the evil Shadow Dragons?[/spoiler]

[shadowfox87]

[spoiler]Shadow Dragons Saga) What if in this scenario, Black Smoke Shenron had came to the decision to have Goku (GT) return to his physical prime, and have Pan (GT)’s irises change to become the same shade of blue as her mother’s, then turn the rest of the Earth’s citizens into a bunch of four-year-old children, all before going to give birth to the evil Shadow Dragons?[/spoiler]

I'm not sure what Pan's iris color has anything to do with this. Are you saying the Dragon turned her into a full human instead of a quarter saiyan? In any case, Goku in his prime would be more than enough to defeat the Evil Shenrons alone. If Li Shenron still absorbs all the Dragon Balls, then Goku may need to absorb the energies of his friends and/or fuse with Vegeta which ultimately leads to the same ending.

[DestructoDisc]

What if Baby Pan would somehow sneak into the time machine and go to the future with Goku, Vegeta and Trunks? This is when Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks first go back to the future and meet Future Zamasu by the way.

[Steven Bloodriver]

[spoiler]Shadow Dragons Saga) What if in this scenario, Black Smoke Shenron had came to the decision to have Goku (GT) return to his physical prime, and have Pan (GT)’s irises change to become the same shade of blue as her mother’s, then turn the rest of the Earth’s citizens into a bunch of four-year-old children, all before going to give birth to the evil Shadow Dragons?[/spoiler]

I'm not sure what Pan's iris color has anything to do with this. Are you saying the Dragon turned her into a full human instead of a quarter saiyan? In any case, Goku in his prime would be more than enough to defeat the Evil Shenrons alone. If Li Shenron still absorbs all the Dragon Balls, then Goku may need to absorb the energies of his friends and/or fuse with Vegeta which ultimately leads to the same ending.

Black Smoke Shenron simply had Pan’s irises change to match Videl’s. Now what if in the Tournament Saga of Dragon Ball, right at the moment Goku and Master Roshi had both met Krillin for the first time, the two young Martial Artists had instantly became the very best of friends? With Goku always having brought along Krillin with him to go train together? How would you think this would have went?

[shadowfox87]

Black Smoke Shenron simply had Pan’s irises change to match Videl’s. Now what if in the Tournament Saga of Dragon Ball, right at the moment Goku and Master Roshi had both met Krillin for the first time, the two young Martial Artists had instantly became the very best of friends? With Goku always having brought along Krillin with him to go train together? How would you think this would have went?

Strong rivalry creates competition and better long lasting friendships. I think if they didn't compete with each other like in the start, then maybe they wouldn't have grown so fast. Alternatively, since they were friends from the start, Krillin would have tried to help Goku. They would've both trained under Roshi the same way.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Black Smoke Shenron simply had Pan’s irises change to match Videl’s. Now what if in the Tournament Saga of Dragon Ball, right at the moment Goku and Master Roshi had both met Krillin for the first time, the two young Martial Artists had instantly became the very best of friends? With Goku always having brought along Krillin with him to go train together? How would you think this would have went?

Strong rivalry creates competition and better long lasting friendships. I think if they didn't compete with each other like in the start, then maybe they wouldn't have grown so fast. Alternatively, since they were friends from the start, Krillin would have tried to help Goku. They would've both trained under Roshi the same way.

[spoiler]What if during the Cell Games of Dragon Ball Z, all seven of the Cell Juniors created by Perfect Cell had turned on their father and joined forces with Gohan and the rest of the Z Fighters just after Perfect Cell had ordered them to attack Gohan's father and friends? With each of the Cell Juniors here being given just a bit more power than in canon by their father to match Full Power Super Saiyan Goku from the Cell Games Saga of DBZ?[/spoiler]

[shadowfox87]

[spoiler]What if during the Cell Games of Dragon Ball Z, all seven of the Cell Juniors created by Perfect Cell had turned on their father and joined forces with Gohan and the rest of the Z Fighters just after Perfect Cell had ordered them to attack Gohan's father and friends? With each of the Cell Juniors here being given just a bit more power than in canon by their father to match Full Power Super Saiyan Goku from the Cell Games Saga of DBZ?[/spoiler]

The technique that Cell uses to create Cell Jrs. is essentially the technique King Piccolo used to create Drum, Piano, Tambourine, etc. This is why their powers aren't divided like Tenshinhan's clone technique which Cell did use against Goku. If all the Cell Jrs. teamed up against Perfect Cell, I'm sure that Cell would have a way of remotely detonating them. I also think that Perfect Cell is linked to them. If Perfect Cell dies, then so do the Cell Jrs. If however, none of that is the case and each Cell Jr. is as powerful as a Super Saiyan Grade 4 Goku, then it may be enough to overpower Perfect Cell even without SSJ2 Gohan.

[Dragon Ball Gus]

Here's a What If topic that I never see anyone talk about.
What if Bardock was the King of all Saiyans therefore making Goku/Kakarot the Prince of all Saiyans?

[TobyS]

Here's a What If topic that I never see anyone talk about.
What if Bardock was the King of all Saiyans therefore making Goku/Kakarot the Prince of all Saiyans?

Hmm it'd be a weird scenario we assume their class is based on their power, so I guess for them to be king/prince they would have to be the strongest. If Vegeta was just some random elite he'd probably be loyal to Goku and not be so offended by him. He'd probably become a friendly rival like Piccolo or the humans rather than a shitty annoying over-rated one.

[shadowfox87]

Here's a What If topic that I never see anyone talk about.
What if Bardock was the King of all Saiyans therefore making Goku/Kakarot the Prince of all Saiyans?

DBM (Dragon Ball Multiverse) did a scenario like this where Bardock challenged King Vegeta. As the king, he has to accept the challenge to keep his throne. Bardock defeated him and became King Bardock. He led the rebellion to attack Freeza earlier before Freeza had a chance. They all went into space as Oozarus and were able to destroy Freeza before he could transform. As for how it affects Goku, it doesn't. Goku doesn't care about title or status. The prince of all Saiyans, hence means nothing to Goku.

[Steven Bloodriver]

[spoiler]What if during the Cell Games of Dragon Ball Z, all seven of the Cell Juniors created by Perfect Cell had turned on their father and joined forces with Gohan and the rest of the Z Fighters just after Perfect Cell had ordered them to attack Gohan's father and friends? With each of the Cell Juniors here being given just a bit more power than in canon by their father to match Full Power Super Saiyan Goku from the Cell Games Saga of DBZ?[/spoiler]

The technique that Cell uses to create Cell Jrs. is essentially the technique King Piccolo used to create Drum, Piano, Tambourine, etc. This is why their powers aren't divided like Tenshinhan's clone technique which Cell did use against Goku. If all the Cell Jrs. teamed up against Perfect Cell, I'm sure that Cell would have a way of remotely detonating them. I also think that Perfect Cell is linked to them. If Perfect Cell dies, then so do the Cell Jrs. If however, none of that is the case and each Cell Jr. is as powerful as a Super Saiyan Grade 4 Goku, then it may be enough to overpower Perfect Cell even without SSJ2 Gohan.

[spoiler]What if Goku was born with the same mindset as Future Trunks?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]What if Tien Shinhan had used his Neo Tri-Beam at Imperfect Cell upon the latter having sneaked up behind Android 17?[/spoiler]

[TobyS]

[What if Goku was born with the same mindset as Future Trunks?]

He'd probably not trust Raditz and live, team up with Piccolo to beat Nappa and die to Vegeta. He'd also possibly have killed geets... He'd kill Freeza more thoroughly which would mean Cold possibly not knowing who did it, thus never going to earth. Cell doesn't get their cells...thus Cell is killed more easily and can't blow up earth....

People are weaker and have to team up on Dabra, no fusion dance... Buy stopped from hatching or all die, no buu to piss of Beerus, one boring fight later he's gone, maybe not staying friendly with earth. Thus maybe not boasting to champa and having the tourney, if they do earth is switched.

Not sure who makes the top team, unless they blast off time caged jiren they lose. And everyone dies...

Everyone dies due to butterfly effect I guess as usual with db changes.

[spoiler]What if Tien Shinhan had used his Neo Tri-Beam at Imperfect Cell upon the latter having sneaked up behind Android 17?[/spoiler][/quote]

Can probably kill 17 maybe even wound Cell.

Bear in mind he was only making the attacks strong enough to push Cell, and after that going for quantity. If he out it all in one big one... Either way could force them apart allowing 16 back in to kill Cell.

[shadowfox87]

[spoiler]What if Goku was born with the same mindset as Future Trunks?[/spoiler]

Goku wouldn't train as often then. Goku loves to fight. This is because he's a pure blooded Saiyan. Future Trunks is a half Saiyan. He was only forced to fight due to his future being destroyed by the Androids and Zamasu. Goku would not have the same carefree personality. He may not allow Freeza and Vegeta to live. Due to his personality being changed, he may not make friends with Zeno or many other characters like Piccolo or Beerus.

[spoiler]What if Tien Shinhan had used his Neo Tri-Beam at Imperfect Cell upon the latter having sneaked up behind Android 17?[/spoiler]

Tenshinhan's Neo Tri-Beam was only enough to temporarily push away the opponent. It didn't do any damage to Semi-Perfect Cell. The same would occur for Imperfect Cell. Imperfect Cell would be halted by it but not be damaged.