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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:05 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:[spoiler]What if Goku was born with the same mindset as Future Trunks?[/spoiler]
Goku wouldn't train as often then. Goku loves to fight. This is because he's a pure blooded Saiyan. Future Trunks is a half Saiyan. He was only forced to fight due to his future being destroyed by the Androids and Zamasu. Goku would not have the same carefree personality. He may not allow Freeza and Vegeta to live. Due to his personality being changed, he may not make friends with Zeno or many other characters like Piccolo or Beerus.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if Tien Shinhan had used his Neo Tri-Beam at Imperfect Cell upon the latter having sneaked up behind Android 17?[/spoiler]
Tenshinhan's Neo Tri-Beam was only enough to temporarily push away the opponent. It didn't do any damage to Semi-Perfect Cell. The same would occur for Imperfect Cell. Imperfect Cell would be halted by it but not be damaged.
[spoiler]What if between the events of the Great Saiyaman Saga and 25th World Tournament Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Piccolo had went in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for an entire year this time in the few days before competing in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]What if in the film of Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F, when First Form Frieza and his Frieza Force had arrived on Earth, the Frost Demon had shown his own unique style of saying hello by having destroyed Mount Paozu instead of canonically North City?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]What if in the middle of the Tournament of Destroyers Saga, upon finding out one of his own competitors was an even worse person than Frieza himself, Champa had used his most painful version of his Hakai technique on Ruthless Final Form Frost?[/spoiler]

[spoiler]What if in the beginning of the Future Trunks Saga, Vegeta had been the one to have challenged the snide asshole known as Goku Black when the latter had arrived in the Present Timeline?[/spoiler]

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:15 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if between the events of the Great Saiyaman Saga and 25th World Tournament Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Piccolo had went in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for an entire year this time in the few days before competing in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai?[/spoiler]
Piccolo training for a year may have allowed him to reach the same strength as Shin, who at the time of the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai was confirmed to be stronger than Piccolo. Since Piccolo is not a Saiyan, his strength does not grow at the same rate even if training for a year in the RoSaT. He would still be turned to stone by Dabura.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if in the film of Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F, when First Form Frieza and his Frieza Force had arrived on Earth, the Frost Demon had shown his own unique style of saying hello by having destroyed Mount Paozu instead of canonically North City?[/spoiler]
If Chi Chi and Goten were killed upon Mt. Paozu's destruction, then this may have caused a lot of rage within Goku, enough so that he would be able to handle Golden Freeza alone without Vegeta's help.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if in the middle of the Tournament of Destroyers Saga, upon finding out one of his own competitors was an even worse person than Frieza himself, Champa had used his most painful version of his Hakai technique on Ruthless Final Form Frost?[/spoiler]
If Frost was hakai'd by Champa, they would have 1 less fighter during the Tournament of Power. They may have found a replacement Saiyan or another alien. In any case, the overall Universe 6 team would have been weaker during the Tournament of Power and hence, they would've been eliminated earlier.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if in the beginning of the Future Trunks Saga, Vegeta had been the one to have challenged the snide asshole known as Goku Black when the latter had arrived in the Present Timeline?[/spoiler]
The events would have gone similar to how they went in the DBS manga when Vegeta fought Black. Black would have turned Super Saiyan and Vegeta would be in Super Saiyan 2. They would fight each other and Black would lose. Black would escape to the future using the portal that his time ring would've opened.
DBS Manga vs Anime Differences: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=42062
Timelines Explanation: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42105
Log Power Scaling: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40610
Science of Ultra Instinct: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40707

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:44 pm

What if GT took place after Super?
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:18 pm

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:What if GT took place after Super?
It wouldn't be the same GT, instead we would have Ultra instinct and ssj blue. Super super 17 or Cell, omega shenron from the super Dragon balls and etc.

Now GT could only really happen if someone wished using the super dragon balls. They wish Goku never met Beerus and hopefully Frieza never revives. That's the only way GT could logically happen.

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Post by Champa The Destroyer » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:07 pm

What if Cumber was a member of Universe 9 during the TOP? Keep in mind that his base was fighting Vegito Blue Kaioken (I'm not sure if it was x 20 or not) and Cumber has Super Saiyan AND Golden Oozaru, which is even stronger than SS3. Would Jiren push him to creating a fake moon to go Golden Oozaru, or would SS be enough for Jiren? Could U7 and U6, and possibly even U11 team up to take down Cumber?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:52 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if between the events of the Great Saiyaman Saga and 25th World Tournament Saga of Dragon Ball Z, Piccolo had went in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for an entire year this time in the few days before competing in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai?[/spoiler]
Piccolo training for a year may have allowed him to reach the same strength as Shin, who at the time of the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai was confirmed to be stronger than Piccolo. Since Piccolo is not a Saiyan, his strength does not grow at the same rate even if training for a year in the RoSaT. He would still be turned to stone by Dabura.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if in the film of Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F, when First Form Frieza and his Frieza Force had arrived on Earth, the Frost Demon had shown his own unique style of saying hello by having destroyed Mount Paozu instead of canonically North City?[/spoiler]
If Chi Chi and Goten were killed upon Mt. Paozu's destruction, then this may have caused a lot of rage within Goku, enough so that he would be able to handle Golden Freeza alone without Vegeta's help.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if in the middle of the Tournament of Destroyers Saga, upon finding out one of his own competitors was an even worse person than Frieza himself, Champa had used his most painful version of his Hakai technique on Ruthless Final Form Frost?[/spoiler]
If Frost was hakai'd by Champa, they would have 1 less fighter during the Tournament of Power. They may have found a replacement Saiyan or another alien. In any case, the overall Universe 6 team would have been weaker during the Tournament of Power and hence, they would've been eliminated earlier.
Steven Bloodriver wrote: [spoiler]What if in the beginning of the Future Trunks Saga, Vegeta had been the one to have challenged the snide asshole known as Goku Black when the latter had arrived in the Present Timeline?[/spoiler]
The events would have gone similar to how they went in the DBS manga when Vegeta fought Black. Black would have turned Super Saiyan and Vegeta would be in Super Saiyan 2. They would fight each other and Black would lose. Black would escape to the future using the portal that his time ring would've opened.
[spoiler]What if Perfected Super Saiyan Blue had been the form Goku would have learned in his preparation for the Tournament of Destroyers in the Anime and Super Saiyan Blue Evolution had been the form Goku would have been working on instead of Perfected Super Saiyan Blue in the Manga’s Future Trunks Saga?[/spoiler]

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Champa The Destroyer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:00 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:What if Cumber was a member of Universe 9 during the TOP? Keep in mind that his base was fighting Vegito Blue Kaioken (I'm not sure if it was x 20 or not) and Cumber has Super Saiyan AND Golden Oozaru, which is even stronger than SS3. Would Jiren push him to creating a fake moon to go Golden Oozaru, or would SS be enough for Jiren? Could U7 and U6, and possibly even U11 team up to take down Cumber?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by shadowfox87 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:57 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:[spoiler]What if Perfected Super Saiyan Blue had been the form Goku would have learned in his preparation for the Tournament of Destroyers in the Anime and Super Saiyan Blue Evolution had been the form Goku would have been working on instead of Perfected Super Saiyan Blue in the Manga’s Future Trunks Saga?[/spoiler]
According to me, SSBE = CSSB. In the manga, the scene in which Goku fights Jiren using CSSB is the exact same scene in the anime where he uses SSB + Kaioken x20. We know this because Krillin says there's still a chance if Goku isn't using his max power. Whis responds by saying he already is. This already implies that the SSB + Kaioken x20 = CSSB. In the manga, Goku reached CSSB and so did Vegeta. In the anime, Goku was given Kaioken and since Vegeta can't learn Kaioken, he was given SSBE. In the subsequent chapters of the manga, we will see both Goku and Vegeta CSSB fight Jiren instead of SSB + Kaioken x20 and SSBE. So nothing would really change since they are equivalent forms.
DBS Manga vs Anime Differences: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=42062
Timelines Explanation: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42105
Log Power Scaling: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40610
Science of Ultra Instinct: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40707

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:21 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:What if Cumber was a member of Universe 9 during the TOP? Keep in mind that his base was fighting Vegito Blue Kaioken (I'm not sure if it was x 20 or not) and Cumber has Super Saiyan AND Golden Oozaru, which is even stronger than SS3. Would Jiren push him to creating a fake moon to go Golden Oozaru, or would SS be enough for Jiren? Could U7 and U6, and possibly even U11 team up to take down Cumber?
No one could beat him. For gods sake he was evenly matched with ssj blue kk Vegito. Who is implied to be stronger than the Zamasu arc Vegito. And what's insane is that Cumber has ssj under his hat and maybe more transformations. He is a broken character.

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Post by Champa The Destroyer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:49 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:What if Cumber was a member of Universe 9 during the TOP? Keep in mind that his base was fighting Vegito Blue Kaioken (I'm not sure if it was x 20 or not) and Cumber has Super Saiyan AND Golden Oozaru, which is even stronger than SS3. Would Jiren push him to creating a fake moon to go Golden Oozaru, or would SS be enough for Jiren? Could U7 and U6, and possibly even U11 team up to take down Cumber?
No one could beat him. For gods sake he was evenly matched with ssj blue kk Vegito. Who is implied to be stronger than the Zamasu arc Vegito. And what's insane is that Cumber has ssj under his hat and maybe more transformations. He is a broken character.

Agreed. I know it's Heroes, so it doesn't have to be consistent, but how are they going to write something that defeats Golden Oozaru Cumber?


What if Tien learned the Fusion Dance and then used the Multiform technique to split into four, and then have two of them fuse? Would the result be much stronger than Tien? Would it have made Tien slightly more relevant in the TOP?

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Champa The Destroyer wrote:
Berserker1921 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
No one could beat him. For gods sake he was evenly matched with ssj blue kk Vegito. Who is implied to be stronger than the Zamasu arc Vegito. And what's insane is that Cumber has ssj under his hat and maybe more transformations. He is a broken character.

Agreed. I know it's Heroes, so it doesn't have to be consistent, but how are they going to write something that defeats Golden Oozaru Cumber?


What if Tien learned the Fusion Dance and then used the Multiform technique to split into four, and then have two of them fuse? Would the result be much stronger than Tien? Would it have made Tien slightly more relevant in the TOP?
Jiren would pull something out of his butt and knock him out. Or Goku uses UI to defeat him. If we go by super logic.

I don't know. Well fusion dance is supposed be at least a 2x boost. So if he split himself 4 times. Each part of him is 25% tien. So by the end of the day he would be double his normal strength. However he would still be useless.

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Post by Champa The Destroyer » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:29 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:
Champa The Destroyer wrote:
Berserker1921 wrote:
No one could beat him. For gods sake he was evenly matched with ssj blue kk Vegito. Who is implied to be stronger than the Zamasu arc Vegito. And what's insane is that Cumber has ssj under his hat and maybe more transformations. He is a broken character.

Agreed. I know it's Heroes, so it doesn't have to be consistent, but how are they going to write something that defeats Golden Oozaru Cumber?


What if Tien learned the Fusion Dance and then used the Multiform technique to split into four, and then have two of them fuse? Would the result be much stronger than Tien? Would it have made Tien slightly more relevant in the TOP?
Jiren would pull something out of his butt and knock him out. Or Goku uses UI to defeat him. If we go by super logic.

I don't know. Well fusion dance is supposed be at least a 2x boost. So if he split himself 4 times. Each part of him is 25% tien. So by the end of the day he would be double his normal strength. However he would still be useless.


Lol true.

What if team U7 learned the five way fusion from Dragon Ball Fusions before the TOP and 17, Freeza, Gohan, Piccolo, and 18 all fused into one being. Could they defeat Jiren?

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:02 pm

shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:[spoiler]What if Perfected Super Saiyan Blue had been the form Goku would have learned in his preparation for the Tournament of Destroyers in the Anime and Super Saiyan Blue Evolution had been the form Goku would have been working on instead of Perfected Super Saiyan Blue in the Manga’s Future Trunks Saga?[/spoiler]
According to me, SSBE = CSSB. In the manga, the scene in which Goku fights Jiren using CSSB is the exact same scene in the anime where he uses SSB + Kaioken x20. We know this because Krillin says there's still a chance if Goku isn't using his max power. Whis responds by saying he already is. This already implies that the SSB + Kaioken x20 = CSSB. In the manga, Goku reached CSSB and so did Vegeta. In the anime, Goku was given Kaioken and since Vegeta can't learn Kaioken, he was given SSBE. In the subsequent chapters of the manga, we will see both Goku and Vegeta CSSB fight Jiren instead of SSB + Kaioken x20 and SSBE. So nothing would really change since they are equivalent forms.
[spoiler]Dragon Ball GT vs. Dragon Ball Super Saga

Thirteen days before the beginning of the Twenty-Eighth World Martial Arts Tournament, you are reincarnated as one of the characters from Dragon Ball GT, as after having been killed by Beerus destroying the Earth of Dragon Ball Super, your soul was lucky enough to avoid getting erased by Hakaishin Beerus' Hakai, but since the barbarous Beerus had noticed this in one of his Prophetic Nightmares following him returning to his slumber, you would have until the end of the following Tournament for the God of Destruction to arrive.

1) Out of all the Dragon Ball GT characters, who would you choose to reincarnate as?

2) Out of all the Dragon Ball characters outside of the Dragon Ball Super series, who would you choose to be the one character you would settle down with?

3) How would you choose to be prepared for both the 28th World Tournament and then with the likes of Hakaishin Beerus coming for your ass personally?

4) Out of all the places in the original timeline, where would you have decided to live in the Dragon World?

5) With your choice of being employed or not, how would you have liked to make a living since day one?

6) On the sixth day since you had been reborn, the Zamasu of Dragon Ball GT had used the Super Dragon Balls to become Goku Black, a perfect clone of the real Goku, and had destroyed the Super Dragon Balls before going after Goku and his family. What could you have done if this incarnation of Goku Black was already as strong as the Half-Corrupted Form of Merged Zamasu? But couldn't instantly grow stronger?

7) Just hours before the final battle with Beerus, God Broly had interrupted the first match of the 28th Tournament, to gain his revenge against Goku, but God Broly is confronted by you and someone else. Both you and the character of your choosing would have to use the Fusion Dance to beat God Broly. However, how would you finish off this Legendary Super Saiyan God, if he is far more powerful than Merged Zamasu? The same one Vegito Blue fought in Dragon Ball Super?[/spoiler]

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Post by Berserker1921 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:13 am

(After seeing the new movie trailer, I had to ask)

What-If the (new) broly was discovered before the events of the ToP? How much easier would it have been for U7 to win? Replace him with Tien. Would they have won the tournament quickly or suffer similar problems?

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Post by sunsetshimmer » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:28 pm

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:What if GT took place after Super?
It wouldn't be that much different.
-It's possible that kid Goku wouldn't be able to turn SSJ Blue so entire first saga would be the same with Goku using SSJ only.
-Vegeta would use SSJ Blue against Baby Gohan but Baby could still trick and posess him. He could also just wait and get stronger to increase his chance. And Baby could just be stronger than he originally was in GT if plot needed that.
-If Baby Vegeta turned SSJ Blue instead of Golden Oozaru then SSJ4 Goku wouldn't beat him in any way without doing limit-break like he did against Syn Shenron. Although it's possible he wouldn't be able to control god ki at all.
-Vegeta would use SSJ Blue against Super 17 completely overpowering him although if Super 17 absorbed his power he would still beat him just like he beaten SSJ4 Goku who at base powers should also beat Super 17. Also, that Super 17 would be stronger than he was in GT since DBS 17 was much stronger than DBZ/GT 17. Combined with also very powerful Hell Fighter 17 they would make even more overpowered Super 17.
-Against Omega Shenron, Vegeta would use SSJ Blue instead of SSJ4 since he can do that without tail but they would both still be weaker than Omega.
If they fused and turned into Gogeta SSJB4 they would completely demolish Omega although even regular Gogeta SSJ4 was already able to do that so...

I didn't include SSJ Blue Evolution since we still don't know if it's anime-only filler or not. It might not appear in manga.
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Post by PFM18 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:44 pm

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:What if GT took place after Super?
"Broku" from Youtube actually did a whole video series on this concept. Actually two video series, one that goes past the end of Super and becomes really fan ficy and one that is more along the lines of a realistic result. You should check it out. It would be entirely different so I don't know.

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Post by Tai Lung » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:46 pm

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:What if GT took place after Super?
could be given a hypothetical situation in which you could make a trip through the multiverse looking for the spheres of the dragon would be more interesting for both cases because it is not the limitation that the characters should be weaker than frieza as should be something that in GT had problems.

the arc of baby and the mutant machines would occur in the technological universe

but of plane there would not be the arc of super 17 since the other world in z and super is handled differently than in gt would be the best in any case

in the case of omega there would be a stronger version with zarama maybe ...

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:31 pm

What if in the Universal Survival Saga, during the intense struggle between the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb of Super Saiyan Blue: 20X Kaioken Goku and the attempts of Jiren to deflect it, the second son of Bardock had achieved Super Saiyan Blue: Evolution, won the clash because of his newfound power, and managed to hit the most powerful Pride Trooper of Universe 11 with the absolute full-force of his Universe 7 Spirit Bomb?

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:36 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
shadowfox87 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:[spoiler]What if Perfected Super Saiyan Blue had been the form Goku would have learned in his preparation for the Tournament of Destroyers in the Anime and Super Saiyan Blue Evolution had been the form Goku would have been working on instead of Perfected Super Saiyan Blue in the Manga’s Future Trunks Saga?[/spoiler]
According to me, SSBE = CSSB. In the manga, the scene in which Goku fights Jiren using CSSB is the exact same scene in the anime where he uses SSB + Kaioken x20. We know this because Krillin says there's still a chance if Goku isn't using his max power. Whis responds by saying he already is. This already implies that the SSB + Kaioken x20 = CSSB. In the manga, Goku reached CSSB and so did Vegeta. In the anime, Goku was given Kaioken and since Vegeta can't learn Kaioken, he was given SSBE. In the subsequent chapters of the manga, we will see both Goku and Vegeta CSSB fight Jiren instead of SSB + Kaioken x20 and SSBE. So nothing would really change since they are equivalent forms.
[spoiler]Dragon Ball GT vs. Dragon Ball Super Saga

Thirteen days before the beginning of the Twenty-Eighth World Martial Arts Tournament, you are reincarnated as one of the characters from Dragon Ball GT, as after having been killed by Beerus destroying the Earth of Dragon Ball Super, your soul was lucky enough to avoid getting erased by Hakaishin Beerus' Hakai, but since the barbarous Beerus had noticed this in one of his Prophetic Nightmares following him returning to his slumber, you would have until the end of the following Tournament for the God of Destruction to arrive.

1) Out of all the Dragon Ball GT characters, who would you choose to reincarnate as?

2) Out of all the Dragon Ball characters outside of the Dragon Ball Super series, who would you choose to be the one character you would settle down with?

3) How would you choose to be prepared for both the 28th World Tournament and then with the likes of Hakaishin Beerus coming for your ass personally?

4) Out of all the places in the original timeline, where would you have decided to live in the Dragon World?

5) With your choice of being employed or not, how would you have liked to make a living since day one?

6) On the sixth day since you had been reborn, the Zamasu of Dragon Ball GT had used the Super Dragon Balls to become Goku Black, a perfect clone of the real Goku, and had destroyed the Super Dragon Balls before going after Goku and his family. What could you have done if this incarnation of Goku Black was already as strong as the Half-Corrupted Form of Merged Zamasu? But couldn't instantly grow stronger?

7) Just hours before the final battle with Beerus, God Broly had interrupted the first match of the 28th Tournament, to gain his revenge against Goku, but God Broly is confronted by you and someone else. Both you and the character of your choosing would have to use the Fusion Dance to beat God Broly. However, how would you finish off this Legendary Super Saiyan God, if he is far more powerful than Merged Zamasu? The same one Vegito Blue fought in Dragon Ball Super?[/spoiler]
What if before Merged Zamasu was born, Super Saiyan God Vegeta had made sure to have acted quickly enough to have gone straight to Super Saiyan Blue and fired off his Dirty Fireworks to have killed Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black, with the remains of the Bringer of Sorrow and Future Zamasu still having met and then given birth to the so-called Supreme God?

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